| Posted by: BigPoppa at November 14, 2005, 12:13 pm | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | In tight games like Absolute, you either want to push everyone out or isolate one guy and hope he pays you off.
In loose games, you won't push everyone out and you won't win unimproved. You just have to accept that you'll win fewer of the hands you're in, but will almost always get paid off multi-ways when you do win.
In crazy chasing fish games, you have to play for more monster hands and less for TPTK type hands.
Flush and straight draws are almost always worth chasing.
Any pair should be limped in looking to flop a set or fold.
Never try to bluff with more than one person in pot (and you'll almost always have more than one).
Big pocket pairs other than AA are worth less, and are almost worthless without a Set if an Ace flops. Same goes for middle pair with an Ace on the flop. Many fish will play Ace-rag even with a preflop raise in front of them.
Hands like an unimproved AK should be folded on the Flop with more than 2 other people in the h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: splat at November 14, 2005, 6:13 am | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | Mikke_ wrote: Starting hands.....
Starting hands will only get you so far, you still need to have good post-flop skills. You just need to play your hands with the most +EV. I hate it when a fish draws out on me, but I hate it more when I can only steal the blinds with AA. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: PokerBonusWhore at November 12, 2005, 8:18 pm | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | Montana.T wrote: i tried playing fixed limit, i just dont know how you guys can win at it (without whoring) .. seems like everyone calls with anything in fixed and since you can't bet/scare them out, one area of poker skills are removed and the game is just about your cards & how they match the flop .. at least at low limits?
try playing NL
I couldn't have said it better. I play NL tourneys but not for whoring. With limit it seems I either avoid the bad beat suckouts and make some good $ or every hand is a suckout and I get killed. For some reason there doesn't seem to be a middle ground of breaking even.
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| Posted by: Montana.T at November 12, 2005, 5:16 pm | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | right, i see your point .. it would be whole new set of skills to play fixed
i still like the "there's my whole stack in the pot, try chasing know FISH! " move that is available at all times to NL players
but man they do seem to call with anything. a single suit of their flush draw seems enough to call at fixed.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Grinder at November 12, 2005, 4:57 pm | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | This is where math is involved. You have to decided the odds that the other 6 players in the hand have you beat. then you have to look at who the players are and then you have to lok at how they have bet not only in this hand but in previous hands.
It takes a different kind of skill. Not more skill just different. I suck at NL - I never know what ANYBODY has. But in Limit I can pretty much know what the others players have . . . . . .except for today.
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| Posted by: Montana.T at November 12, 2005, 4:19 pm | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | i tried playing fixed limit, i just dont know how you guys can win at it (without whoring) .. seems like everyone calls with anything in fixed and since you can't bet/scare them out, one area of poker skills are removed and the game is just about your cards & how they match the flop .. at least at low limits?
try playing NL | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Grinder at November 12, 2005, 9:35 am | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | I FELT that also but looking at my PT numbers Crypto actually has a higher Standard deviation then Party.
With THAT said - I have ALWAYS found Party to be streakyer the other sites. I can crush then for 2 weeks and give it all back the next to weeks. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RobDoral at November 12, 2005, 9:20 am | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | | If you have that many people chasing to the river your variance is going to be very, vary interesting/annoying because it's hard to miss 3 or 4 different longshot draws. You're just going to have to mentally adjust and expect to lose with some preflop monsters if you don't improve them and rely more heavily on your own draws hitting (when playing more creative hand like suited connectors) for your profits (pocket aces are still just a pair). Getting your AK cracked by Ace rag when an ace flops but they hit their kicker too is going to sting but at least those dumbasses will still chase you to the river when they don't hit their kicker. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: nems at November 12, 2005, 5:19 am | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | Just ride with the variance unless you've got a particularly small bankroll.
You'll make much more money in the long run playing against bad players. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RedAndBlack at November 11, 2005, 10:35 pm | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | There's probably 50-100 such tables there right now!
My session's over. About 250 hands dealt, up 62 BB. Yesterday was exactly the opposite...down about 68 BB. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at November 11, 2005, 10:06 pm | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | RedAndBlack wrote: Is anyone else experience astonishing variance at Party, due to the tremendous concentration of people who call to the river? Back when there were a few whores per table (playing on the skins, of course), things were probably slightly less profitable overall, but dammit, at least I could see the progress.
Now, 4tabling at 1/2, I yoyo around like crazy, going up or down 70BB in an hour or two. Every session ends with numbers like +21BB/100, or -18BB/100.
It's insanity.
Give me a call whenever u get a table who mostly call to the river. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RedAndBlack at November 11, 2005, 9:56 pm | | Topic: Party Variance Forum: Bonus Whores | Is anyone else experience astonishing variance at Party, due to the tremendous concentration of people who call to the river? Back when there were a few whores per table (playing on the skins, of course), things were probably slightly less profitable overall, but dammit, at least I could see the progress.
Now, 4tabling at 1/2, I yoyo around like crazy, going up or down 70BB in an hour or two. Every session ends with numbers like +21BB/100, or -18BB/100.
It's insanity. | | Static Link |
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