| Posted by: Grinder at November 17, 2005, 12:29 pm | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: tightening of the Cryptos, ??? Crypto is an awesome place to play. It's a hidden pile of gold waiting. sure the tables are 28% but it's a VERY dumb 28%. WAY WAY better then Party.
Europeans play No Limit poker in limit games, they try to bluff all the time with nothing.
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| Posted by: TheFakeG at November 17, 2005, 9:41 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | | The bonuses at Bodog are the easiest on the Net to earn (at least for my play), but the biggest thing they have going is their sportsbook - sportsbook winners donk off winnings to us at the tables, while some of us are making some $$$ betting on sports. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Pokerpop at November 17, 2005, 8:27 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Ocho, thank you for that advice. I will try that.
Andrew, I see you mentioned Bodog. I just started playing there, and even though they don't have a lot of hold 'em low-limit games there, I like it. The software's good, the bonuses are unlimited and pretty easy to clear, and the short-handed tables are fairly loose. Good combination. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: andrew26 at November 17, 2005, 5:30 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | The more I think about it, the bonus game is changing for whores.
Where the most profitable thing used to be bouncing around from site to site and cherry picking the low-hanging fruit at each, now the best strategy seems to be to have a "home base" where they offer bottomless bonuses (say, Bodog or Absolute,) preferably with a rakeback deal, where you do most of your play, with occasional forays to other sites when they offer good bonus deals.
There is still lots of money to be made, it's just a matter of changing strategy slightly.
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| Posted by: HeelHo at November 17, 2005, 12:12 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | One thing about Party is you have to remember its just another cardroom manager. You dont know what numbers they look at, or their bosses look at.
Im not sure if the poker powers that be REALLY understand the market. Then again, I dont know how significant a part of the population we are. I dont even know if its productive for them to try to cull bonus abusers or not on a time basis. Maybe the could hire a whore or two to consult. But the industry has never been very accepting to talented people.
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| Posted by: The Ocho at November 16, 2005, 11:39 pm | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Pokerpop,
When multi-tabling on one monitor you should really set the tables up so that the action butons do not overlap. Go to your desktop, right click on properties, click on settings, change the screen area from 800x600 to something like 1024x768 then click apply, ok, and ok. This screen resolouton will let you set up to 4 tables at Party or ex-skins as well as other sites. You can set the tables up as you like then (I cascade them up the screen - from bottom left up to top right so my buttons don't get mixed up). Short of buying a 21" monitor with 1600x1200 resolution (where 4 tables don't overlap at all) this is the next best thing.
If your screen resolution can go higher then go for it but on my 19" monitor it gets pretty hard to see the cards when the tables are that small.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at November 16, 2005, 1:47 pm | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo787 wrote: andrew26 wrote:
Glad to hear that sites are actively seeking us out... but can you give any insight into the lack of Party bonuses the past couple of months?
Who knows with Party. :roll: They are so unpredictable. It seems to me that the bonuses for everyone dried up about the same time they split from the rest of the skins. I wouldn't think that we've seen the end of Party reloads, but they might not be offered at the rate they previously were. It's looking like the WPC Network's days may be numbered (no inside knowledge, that just looks to be the way things are headed), so who knows what Party's stance on bonuses will be once the old skins are bought out or have moved to a new network.
I always chuckle when I hear reference to the "WPC network." Does that stand for Who Party Crapped on?
I gotta hand it to Party Poker... they have proven themeselves to be the most agressive and malignant site in the Poker universe. The greed of that ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at November 16, 2005, 12:46 pm | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | andrew26 wrote:
Glad to hear that sites are actively seeking us out... but can you give any insight into the lack of Party bonuses the past couple of months?
Who knows with Party. They are so unpredictable. It seems to me that the bonuses for everyone dried up about the same time they split from the rest of the skins. I wouldn't think that we've seen the end of Party reloads, but they might not be offered at the rate they previously were. It's looking like the WPC Network's days may be numbered (no inside knowledge, that just looks to be the way things are headed), so who knows what Party's stance on bonuses will be once the old skins are bought out or have moved to a new network. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheFreeze at November 16, 2005, 4:22 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Pokerpop wrote: But don't bonuses attract all kinds of players? Don't fish like bonuses, too?
Depends on the bonus, I doubt very many casual players will do a 10x Empire bonus that needs to be cleared in 10 days or a Multi 20x bonus even though you get 20 days. For a casual player, the % match probably makes a big difference too since many people probably don't like depositing $500-$1000. If I was a casual player, I'd want a bonus that never expires, clears reasonably fast and can be cleared in small increments like at Paradise where it's also credited automatically so I don't have to keep track or email support or some other BS. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: B-hustler at November 16, 2005, 2:29 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Pokerpop wrote: Hi. I'm new to BonusWhores. Great site. I'd like to know why rooms like Pacific Poker have tons of loose games at several limits and why other sites, like InterPoker, are very tight (except for the micro-limits)? What attracts the maniacs and loose callers to Pacific Poker?
Interesting question. I think that sites with lots of nice bonuses (like crypto) attract players who want to make money playing (bonuswhores), and will therefore attract better players. Bad players tend to see poker as gambling and entertainment, not a way to make money. They may do the reloads at their regular site, but can't be bothered to do the necessary research to find good bonuses, sign up new accounts etc.
I also think that the message sites send via the design of their home page has an impact on game softness. PartyPoker's site says poker is fun and entertainment, Stars and Full Tilt make it into a science. Players who just want to gamble and have some fun will be turned off by ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: andrew26 at November 15, 2005, 2:57 pm | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo787 wrote:
Sites are not trying to "control" bonus whores. I think if anything, they are trying adapt to this large playing population. I know this because sites are seeking us (bonuswhores.com) out. I have a list of dozen or so sites (that I haven't been able to keep with) which want a review of their site on BW. Despite what a lot of people think, most POKER sites like bonus whores (the players and this site).
This is good news to me.... I had started to become pretty pessimistic about the future of whoring for bonus.
With the imminent demise of the Party skins, the tightening of the Cryptos, and a lack of other sites (Absolute is an exception) agressively offering bonuses, I was wondering if the bonus was becoming a relic of the past.
Glad to hear that sites are actively seeking us out... but can you give any insight into the lack of Party bonuses the past couple of months?
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| Posted by: Randyb at November 15, 2005, 12:58 pm | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | The answer to tight and loose table play is rather simple in most instances.
It's all about the bonus. If you have a bonus out and a large number of players going after the bonus the play gets tight.
Pacific imo is the loosest. Tied to the casino. but basically no reloads. So players playing there are not their for a bonus each month.
AP great bonuses = tight play
Party certainly tightens up during a reload.
Another example was interpokers 3 day weekend extra $30 which could be worked off at the same time as the $90 monthly. Remember, before the rake change? It would tighten up so much, I would often avoid playing there during that weekend. I know Bad whore
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| Posted by: Pokerpop at November 15, 2005, 12:17 pm | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I've tried multi-tabling but find it's not a profitable practice for me. I make more mistakes. I hit "raise" or "fold" on the wrong table one too many times ... I'd go to hit the raise button for one table, then all of a sudden the table switches on you when you have to act at the other table, and you hit the wrong button. This game is tough enough without putting yourself on tilt because of accidental errors! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RobDoral at November 15, 2005, 12:06 pm | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Pokerpop wrote: I'm finding that playing Pacific Poker without a bonus at stake is often more profitable than whoring a bonus somewhere else, like Interpoker, where I find myself skipping from table to table to find a good game. There are good games there, but you have to work harder to find them.
If Pacific allowed multitabling there would be a lot more players doing what you're doing (including me). I can't stand playing one table at a time because I get bored quickly but the playing conditions at Pacific are exactly what I prefer at the levels I like to play.
At lot of bonus whores are barely break even players without a bonus to chase (some are even slight losers without the bonus). Most multitable and this requires that they play a simplified, formulaic form of poker that ends up being tight and somewhat aggressive because there's only so much they can pay attention to at once. Solid poker can be pretty formulaic too though.
A lot of other whores, myself inc... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Pokerpop at November 15, 2005, 11:49 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I'm finding that playing Pacific Poker without a bonus at stake is often more profitable than whoring a bonus somewhere else, like Interpoker, where I find myself skipping from table to table to find a good game. There are good games there, but you have to work harder to find them. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at November 15, 2005, 11:41 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Pokerpop wrote: Hi. I'm new to BonusWhores. Great site. I'd like to know why rooms like Pacific Poker have tons of loose games at several limits and why other sites, like InterPoker, are very tight (except for the micro-limits)? What attracts the maniacs and loose callers to Pacific Poker?
Also, from reading this site, I get the idea that bonus whoring is the practice of tight players, for the most part, and that many sites are trying to control, or even squash, the practice of it. But don't bonuses attract all kinds of players? Don't fish like bonuses, too?
Pacific is very loose for too reasons IMO:
1) It is tied to Casino On Net, a very popular casino that a lot of online "gamblers" like to play.
2) You cannot multitable at Pacific. Multi-tablers, which are almost always very tight, are only tightening up 1 table, as opposed to 3 or 4.
Sites are not trying to "control" bonus whores. I think if anything, they are trying adapt to this large playing pop... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TheFakeG at November 15, 2005, 11:25 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Pacific can have a ton of fish because the initial bonus is, in effect, a free bankroll for many people there. Party Poker has affiliates (not to be named at this place, as it should be) that will fund them their initial bankroll there, as well....and Party has a lot of fish.
Then again, one doesn't have to be an educated gambler to play at the tables - thank ESPN and Travel Channel for giving amateur players the delusion that it's simple to be the next great player.
Don't make the mistake of lumping all bonus whores as "tight". Bonus whores don't have a problem with action, at all - becoming a better player is one of the goals every player should have....and sometimes the table dictates how loose or tight one will play at any given time.
Bonuses to whores are all about +ROI, and the ones that are best for each player's individual bankroll, level of play, and # of tables they can play will factor into this. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Pokerpop at November 15, 2005, 10:32 am | | Topic: What attracts loose players to a site? Forum: Bonus Whores | Hi. I'm new to BonusWhores. Great site. I'd like to know why rooms like Pacific Poker have tons of loose games at several limits and why other sites, like InterPoker, are very tight (except for the micro-limits)? What attracts the maniacs and loose callers to Pacific Poker?
Also, from reading this site, I get the idea that bonus whoring is the practice of tight players, for the most part, and that many sites are trying to control, or even squash, the practice of it. But don't bonuses attract all kinds of players? Don't fish like bonuses, too? | | Static Link |
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