| Posted by: Cha Ngo at March 1, 2006, 11:39 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | jukkapuu wrote: Alphaunit1 wrote: Just last week I'm playing $5/$10 and get dealt 77 in late position. A pile of limpers come in, I raise it up (for value). Flop comes down 947 rainbow, checked to me, I fire off a bet, get check-raised by two people (check-raise, check-reraise). I cap it. Turn brings an Ace. 3 people to a capped round of betting. I nail my money card on the river - the case 7. Capped again, cards flip over - I'm up against 99 and AA.
So yeah, it's rigged - but sometimes that works out in your favor too!
Did the AA guy really not raise preflop? I've never seen that on my short FL history.
The problem is not with limping with the aces. I wonder why he didn't three bet after Alpha's raise (the old limp-reraise trick).
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| Posted by: porkrind at March 1, 2006, 12:17 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | Slow playing AA in FL is one of those 'Tricky' moves us average players use to generate action so they payoff. Usually you get alot more than you asked for. I bet he was doing back flips when he hit the set and cartwheels on the boat. Oops
I slow rolled flopped quad twos in NL once. Got raped by runner runner KKKKs. It happens.
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| Posted by: jukkapuu at February 28, 2006, 8:12 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: Just last week I'm playing $5/$10 and get dealt 77 in late position. A pile of limpers come in, I raise it up (for value). Flop comes down 947 rainbow, checked to me, I fire off a bet, get check-raised by two people (check-raise, check-reraise). I cap it. Turn brings an Ace. 3 people to a capped round of betting. I nail my money card on the river - the case 7. Capped again, cards flip over - I'm up against 99 and AA.
So yeah, it's rigged - but sometimes that works out in your favor too!
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at February 27, 2006, 5:00 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | as "they" like to say it all evens out in the end. it's true but not in online poker cause it's rigged for rake
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| Posted by: porkrind at February 27, 2006, 8:02 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | It was truly horrible. I felt like a goat wearing a meat necklace.
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| Posted by: Timprov at February 27, 2006, 3:33 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | porkrind wrote: "Schooling" happens everywhere. This morning I gave PokerStars 2/4 a shot... There is no more sickening feeling than to have AA-KK UTG raise and have 7 callers cap it before it gets back to you.
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| Posted by: porkrind at February 26, 2006, 8:31 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | "Schooling" happens everywhere. This morning I gave PokerStars 2/4 a shot and got crushed for 25BB. Out of 200 hands I played 9 and AA lost 3 times, KK once, QQ once almost all of them to miracle 2-4 outer rivers. There is no more sickening feeling than to have AA-KK UTG raise and have 7 callers cap it before it gets back to you. The variance at the table was horrendous everyone just traded massive pots as the rake slowly chewed at the money pool. Since the table jumped to the top of the VIP-Pot size meter in the lobby the waiting list was huge.
AAA lost to a runner runner river boat
AA to 222 on the river
AA to A7os on the river
KK to A5s on the river
QQ to 97s on the river
The worse of all a flopped boat with 99 in the BB lost to river quad 4s.
Happens just about everywhere if you play long enough.
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| Posted by: BadBeatBill at February 26, 2006, 7:44 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | AlexMR wrote: What about B2B?? If I ever thought about a site/network being rigged it was this. I am not saying it is but, DAMN!, I am a winning player at all sites. Some I crush thge games, other, like UB, I just win at 3PtBB/100 (NL$100-$50) . There I lost at an amazing rate. I hit two downswings in my whoring through the network. I lost mor ethan 10buy ins in both of them. My next biggest downswing had been 6. My overall SD is 36PTBB/100 and there it went up to 48.8PTBB/100. Crazy playing getting rewarded all the time. Really undescribable!
But I really dont want to say or even think the site is rigged....a couple friends have been doing quite well there...it was only variance but I am not into playing there anymore.
I have the same experience, and so does my friend who I told about the Martin's poker bonus. I WILL finish it up sometime before the end of the month, but goddamn if it isn't a fucking grind there. I think we're both *pretty* good players...... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RobDoral at February 24, 2006, 7:38 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | porkrind wrote: I agree. I chased the big bonus last year and the rake eventually grinds away the bonus at 1/2. I remember always seeing the same three players at the same tables everytime I played night or day. I emailed CS since they always seemed to play the same pots and CS could have cared less. When they changed the rake structure I left the last 500 of the bonus to expire and have never looked back.
Have you noticed any apparent collusion amongst those players? I haven't noticed anything during the U.S. evenings but I've played in the mornings and have seen players say what cards they have it chat. I think they were trying to IM someone else and misdirected it. The two players (different names, different days) were awful and were spewing chips so they seemed like your typical stupid would be cheaters but it' s the ones you DON'T notice that are the problem. I couldn't tell who this person might be colluding with though. I did notice I won fewer pots from these maniac players bu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RobDoral at February 24, 2006, 6:59 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | CaneCat5 wrote: PR is a much better site to play at the higher limits and i should have stated that i was talking about 2/4 and below. of course, the rake is not double at 5/10 if it was no one could afford to play it. I think one of the reason your win rate may be higher is not your style but the fact that PR like many sites has a small crop of core players at that level and you know how to side step them. you play them often were at say Party or PS there are many more tables active and you see less of the same player.
Nuh uh, definitely Ninja Kitty style. Except yesterday where I got swatted. What you say is very true. Though I've noticed that I've come across waves of "new" players who tend to stick around a while then vanish. There will be weeks where I won't see more than one or two players I recognize. Many might be same folks with different aliases. I've stuck with my current Eurobet alias a while beause the bonus is so large, wonder if some of these folks are now... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: porkrind at February 24, 2006, 3:48 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | I agree. I chased the big bonus last year and the rake eventually grinds away the bonus at 1/2. I remember always seeing the same three players at the same tables everytime I played night or day. I emailed CS since they always seemed to play the same pots and CS could have cared less. When they changed the rake structure I left the last 500 of the bonus to expire and have never looked back.
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| Posted by: CaneCat5 at February 24, 2006, 12:39 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | 3) I win at a far higher rate on the PR network than Party or Stars. Now this is because the network favors my preferred playing style so this isn't going to work for everyone and I know this, but that's my biggest reason for playing on a PR skin.[/quote]
PR is a much better site to play at the higher limits and i should have stated that i was talking about 2/4 and below. of course, the rake is not double at 5/10 if it was no one could afford to play it. I think one of the reason your win rate may be higher is not your style but the fact that PR like many sites has a small crop of core players at that level and you know how to side step them. you play them often were at say Party or PS there are many more tables active and you see less of the same player.
my problem with PR skin high rake is that it tends to eat up all the fish. if you played this site at lower levels over the last year you would have seen the games cranked down more and more each month until now almost nothing is le... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 24, 2006, 12:24 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | RobDoral wrote: I've thought a lot about this and the best description I can come up with is Ninja Kitten style.
Running with the metaphor, I usually only play two tables at a time so that I can adapt my play most effectively to table conditions. Like a kitten, I'll play with lots of different things/hands (I buy my cat tons of toys, he spends an hour playing with an ice cube I dropped on the floor ). I like to be the most aggressive player at the table but if a LAG is spewing chips I'll play more passively until I can pounce on his ass. I like to be tricky (probably too much) so I'll raise with hands you could never put me on (but can pay off big) or slowplay a monster when it looks like I'm just a calling station.
I am the paw that strikes from the darkness!!!
Love the ninja kitten style... I'm gonna have to steal that analogy.
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| Posted by: prrmike at February 23, 2006, 3:36 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | | Good stuff everyone, especially RobDoral--the paw that strikes from the darkness!!! My original intention when I started this post was to get feedback on poker sites that consistently try to screw players out of their money and compile a sort of 'beware of' list. But threads have a life of their own and I gotta say I'm enjoying where this one has gone. Thanks to all.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cpt. Canuck at February 23, 2006, 12:57 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | I won't play at Poker Plex anymore after they took money back that they awarded. They paid everyone $50 for 300 raked hands in December - and instead of owning the mistake and taking the loss - took it back from eveyone. To me, that's bad business and shows a lack of respect for your costumers.
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| Posted by: RobDoral at February 23, 2006, 9:58 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | I've thought a lot about this and the best description I can come up with is Ninja Kitten style.
Running with the metaphor, I usually only play two tables at a time so that I can adapt my play most effectively to table conditions. Like a kitten, I'll play with lots of different things/hands (I buy my cat tons of toys, he spends an hour playing with an ice cube I dropped on the floor ). I like to be the most aggressive player at the table but if a LAG is spewing chips I'll play more passively until I can pounce on his ass. I like to be tricky (probably too much) so I'll raise with hands you could never put me on (but can pay off big) or slowplay a monster when it looks like I'm just a calling station.
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| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 23, 2006, 8:10 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | Whats your style?
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| Posted by: RobDoral at February 23, 2006, 7:57 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | CaneCat5 wrote: porkrind wrote: Poker Room and all of their skins. Something is definitely not right there.
looking at the bonus grid on this sites it is easy to see how poor this bonus is, combine that with double the rake and i really see no reason why anyone would play the PR skins.
People are going to have different reasons for liking or disliking a poker site and in an opinion thread, there's no point in saying one site sucks and having another person saying Nuh Uh!!! So I'm not going to do that. And frankly the fewer whores on the PR network the better it is for me.
But there are a few reasons that I like the PR network that aren't subjective.
1) Click on the 5/10 level on the grid and the PR bonus pretty much leaps to the top (unless you can find a 5x Party bonus or 7X PR skin bonus). Some of the Cryptos have a higher clearance rates but they offer smaller bonuses (and poorer table selection and games IMO).
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| Posted by: CaneCat5 at February 23, 2006, 12:46 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | porkrind wrote: Poker Room and all of their skins. Something is definitely not right there.
i once played almost all my poker on PR but now i do not go near it, except to pop off a bonus now and then. my win rate at this site is a little over 1BB per 100 but on other sites it runs 3 or 4 times that. something is not right, not sure what, but i would guess the increase in rake. dividing the rake paid by the hnads playes i found i was paying almost double the rake i pay at most sites. Hollywood's bonus seems good at first glance but it is 17 to1. to make matters worse they award only .7 points for each dollar raked which makes the bonus more like 24 to 1. looking at the bonus grid on this sites it is easy to see how poor this bonus is, combine that with double the rake and i really see no reason why anyone would play the PR skins. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 23, 2006, 12:25 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: Just last week I'm playing $5/$10 and get dealt 77 in late position. A pile of limpers come in, I raise it up (for value). Flop comes down 947 rainbow, checked to me, I fire off a bet, get check-raised by two people (check-raise, check-reraise). I cap it. Turn brings an Ace. 3 people to a capped round of betting. I nail my money card on the river - the case 7. Capped again, cards flip over - I'm up against 99 and AA.
So yeah, it's rigged - but sometimes that works out in your favor too!
wow.. that had to feel good Bet that pot was juicy too!! Some people have all the luck
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at February 22, 2006, 11:16 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: Just last week I'm playing $5/$10 and get dealt 77 in late position. A pile of limpers come in, I raise it up (for value). Flop comes down 947 rainbow, checked to me, I fire off a bet, get check-raised by two people (check-raise, check-reraise). I cap it. Turn brings an Ace. 3 people to a capped round of betting. I nail my money card on the river - the case 7. Capped again, cards flip over - I'm up against 99 and AA.
So yeah, it's rigged - but sometimes that works out in your favor too!
N1.
Love FL - lets you get there, but I wonder how this would have played in NL. Guess you'd all be all-in anyways!
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at February 22, 2006, 11:07 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | Just last week I'm playing $5/$10 and get dealt 77 in late position. A pile of limpers come in, I raise it up (for value). Flop comes down 947 rainbow, checked to me, I fire off a bet, get check-raised by two people (check-raise, check-reraise). I cap it. Turn brings an Ace. 3 people to a capped round of betting. I nail my money card on the river - the case 7. Capped again, cards flip over - I'm up against 99 and AA.
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| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 22, 2006, 10:03 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | I'll never forget the very first hand I ever played at poker room. I was dealt 99 and there were 7 people in to see the flop. Flop was 9 3 3 rainbow.. and I was thinking cha-ching. It was limit but by the end my whole stack was in and the other guy had 3 3. I know shit like this happens.. but it was like a mega huge punch in the gut. It was a nice welcome from the site! Thanks poker room. I was so pissed I cashed my 480 dollars out right then. I just had a bad taste in my mouth.
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| Posted by: AlexMR at February 22, 2006, 6:06 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | What about B2B?? If I ever thought about a site/network being rigged it was this. I am not saying it is but, DAMN!, I am a winning player at all sites. Some I crush thge games, other, like UB, I just win at 3PtBB/100 (NL$100-$50) . There I lost at an amazing rate. I hit two downswings in my whoring through the network. I lost mor ethan 10buy ins in both of them. My next biggest downswing had been 6. My overall SD is 36PTBB/100 and there it went up to 48.8PTBB/100. Crazy playing getting rewarded all the time. Really undescribable!
But I really dont want to say or even think the site is rigged....a couple friends have been doing quite well there...it was only variance but I am not into playing there anymore.
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| Posted by: porkrind at February 22, 2006, 2:57 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | Poker Room and all of their skins. Something is definitely not right there.
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| Posted by: dieharder at February 21, 2006, 9:40 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | | I want to complain about the new Eurobet. I could not download their new poker client, got system error. Then I tried to play with Java, slow like hell,kept on freezing on me. I have not played their since my first attempt, left $600 bonus to expire. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Lrgetrout at February 21, 2006, 4:18 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | TheFakeG wrote: Quote: I've played most of them, and that was the only place I ever questioned the deal. Got to a point where I wasn't wondering if the bad beat would happen, but rather how
You ain't seen anything until you see the bad beats Lee Jones over at PokerStars puts on players on a regular basis.
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| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 21, 2006, 4:12 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | prrmike wrote: What has been your worst experience with an online poker site? Sites that slow pay, don’t pay, have totally inept customer service reps, etc. I am trying to identify the worst of the worst. Thanks
Well.. in case you missed the bet365 thing, they screwed pretty much everyone they could by not paying bonuses. I'd also have to agree with what one guy said earlier about poker room. I've won at every site I've ever played at (20 + sites) but didn't there. Maybe it was a bad streak, but I don't think so. The NL went much better than the limit there.
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| Posted by: TheFakeG at February 20, 2006, 2:43 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: I've played most of them, and that was the only place I ever questioned the deal. Got to a point where I wasn't wondering if the bad beat would happen, but rather how
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| Posted by: fishyflush at February 20, 2006, 10:54 am | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | | Full Tilt Poker wont admit when therer wrong....over $62 freaking dollars.....I'd stay clear.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mgbfan at February 14, 2006, 9:02 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | | Pokerroom. I've played most of them, and that was the only place I ever questioned the deal. Got to a point where I wasn't wondering if the bad beat would happen, but rather how. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: prrmike at February 14, 2006, 4:13 pm | | Topic: Bad Poker sites Forum: Bonus Whores | | What has been your worst experience with an online poker site? Sites that slow pay, don’t pay, have totally inept customer service reps, etc. I am trying to identify the worst of the worst. Thanks | | Static Link |
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