| Posted by: gumica at April 5, 2006, 6:19 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: PartyGaming MCF Application is attempting to monitor user activities on this computer. if allowed it may try to track or log keystrokes (user input), mouse movements/clicks, web sites visited, and other user behaviours.
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| Posted by: xaiviax at April 1, 2006, 7:52 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | gumica wrote: anyway, i generally feel money is safe everywhere i play and i even keep it there for someday. but there is one question i don't have an answer - about protection:
one of the sites (which i trust completely otherwise) is installing you 'that' - you know what am i talking about.
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| Posted by: gumica at April 1, 2006, 6:50 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | hehe. was hoping i put a dynamite, but almost no discussion here. i deeply apologize to the site or network (yet i haven't mentioned it).
it is always the same - newbies always come to some brillant ideas and think noone else was thinking about them. chip dumping is just one of them. i know people opening 10 different pp account to get RAF or same with moneybookers accounts and wondering then why their money was seized and accounts closed... or other people playing at the same tables all the time and they think nobody would found them... have heard a story about another wise guy (very good player actually) who won a big tournament and his 'grandmother' was fourth. and wondering later why he get his accounts closed. it's funny sometimes.
one think i don't know is if poker sites are exchanging info about cheating players as i think it would be great (for our and site's protection). i would believe they are in between the same software, but it would be great to exchange them widely (lik... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at April 1, 2006, 1:35 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | phatlad wrote: gumica wrote: it looks your post here was annoying for most of posters. but for me i was interesting and would like to thank you for this post.
i found it very informative - actually i believe prime question for any player including bonus whores is how safe your money is on particular site. if it's not then fxxx that site. far behind that come out questions about how good a bonus is (if you are a bonus whore) or any other questions. that's why i'm glad and thankful for this site to have blacklisted some sites, which maybe saved me some money and nerves.
also i believe it is posted on the right forum which has probably thousands of lurkers. where else should be posted then i ask? on special unknown site with a few dozens of lurkers? the best way to protect ourselves (= all players) is to put warnings on every crowded forum, where thousands of potential players would get a message that there are some places where your money is not safe. by doing this, doubtf... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: phatlad at April 1, 2006, 1:14 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | gumica wrote: it looks your post here was annoying for most of posters. but for me i was interesting and would like to thank you for this post.
i found it very informative - actually i believe prime question for any player including bonus whores is how safe your money is on particular site. if it's not then fxxx that site. far behind that come out questions about how good a bonus is (if you are a bonus whore) or any other questions. that's why i'm glad and thankful for this site to have blacklisted some sites, which maybe saved me some money and nerves.
also i believe it is posted on the right forum which has probably thousands of lurkers. where else should be posted then i ask? on special unknown site with a few dozens of lurkers? the best way to protect ourselves (= all players) is to put warnings on every crowded forum, where thousands of potential players would get a message that there are some places where your money is not safe. by doing this, doubtful sites would become a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elric at April 1, 2006, 9:06 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | WTF?
If you think your money is not safe on PokerRoom's OnGame poker network you need to quit playing online poker.
Come on chicken little the sky is not falling!
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| Posted by: gumica at April 1, 2006, 8:15 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | it looks your post here was annoying for most of posters. but for me i was interesting and would like to thank you for this post.
i found it very informative - actually i believe prime question for any player including bonus whores is how safe your money is on particular site. if it's not then fxxx that site. far behind that come out questions about how good a bonus is (if you are a bonus whore) or any other questions. that's why i'm glad and thankful for this site to have blacklisted some sites, which maybe saved me some money and nerves.
also i believe it is posted on the right forum which has probably thousands of lurkers. where else should be posted then i ask? on special unknown site with a few dozens of lurkers? the best way to protect ourselves (= all players) is to put warnings on every crowded forum, where thousands of potential players would get a message that there are some places where your money is not safe. by doing this, doubtful sites would become aware of that or they c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: fatshaft at March 31, 2006, 5:43 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | The Pimp wrote:
No, that's not the way. Poker room doesn't loose a dime if the card is not reported stolen before the buying. It is completely card companys loss, no-one elses. 100% incorrect, it is wholly the poker-room's loss | | Static Link |
| Posted by: xaiviax at March 28, 2006, 6:48 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: xaiviax wrote: Jay, you're one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum, but when you say it has nothing to do with govornments, you're thinking like middle management - not top level.
I think your quotation supports what I said perfectly. They're doing it because it affects the bottom line.
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| Posted by: Jay at March 28, 2006, 5:48 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | xaiviax wrote: Jay, you're one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum, but when you say it has nothing to do with govornments, you're thinking like middle management - not top level.
I think your quotation supports what I said perfectly. They're doing it because it affects the bottom line. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: xaiviax at March 28, 2006, 4:23 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | slamdunka wrote: I dont understand why they care so much about chipdumping. The US govt isnt privy to any money trail in online pokerrooms set up in Malta, Gibralter, Costa Rica etc is it? These companies are based where they are so they dont have to have anything to do with governments that can cause them harm right? If Ihave an online room setup in Nauru for example, why would I care what happens re chip dumping as long as I got the rake and the deposit was honored(different matter)?
You are fooling yourself if you believe your US $'s go straight to Gibralter and straight back again. Offshore bank accounts have what are termed correspondent banks in the countries they deal with. (Particularily the US)
This is one of the ways the US froze all the post 9/11 assetts they did with use of the Patriot Act. With International law, WTO treaties and agreements, etc., no one is an island by themselves anymore. If you think differently, research nazi money in those old "impervious ano... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: xaiviax at March 28, 2006, 3:54 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Yes, credit card fraud is one of the many reasons chip dumping is not allowed. (And yes, the specific liability is a complicated one that has gone different ways in different court cases).
Jay, you're one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum, but when you say it has nothing to do with govornments, you're thinking like middle management - not top level.
Here's a couple of excerpts from PartyGaming's prospectus:
Law enforcement officials may allege violation of existing law to deter the use of US banking and financial services for processing online gaming transactions. PartyGaming depends on banks, credit card companies, payment processors and other financial institutions, networks and suppliers to enable funds to be paid-in and withdrawn by its customers. Disruption of those relationships, including as a result of pressure from regulators for such companies and processors to cease dealing with PartyGaming or the online gaming industry in general, the enactment of any... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DrStrange at March 28, 2006, 3:09 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | I would not be hasty to assume anything about the division of risk between the poker room and credit card company. The merchant account agreement is likely to have special terms and conditions due to the nature of the business. The nature of on-line poker is that the risk of fraud is high and the ability to recover lost assets is questionable. Even if the merchant is made whole after a fraud, generally their cost of processing credit card transactions will rise as fraud increases or they have their merchant account cancelled. Too many complaints and/or charge-backs is a very bad thing for a merchant, even if they are paid in full.
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| Posted by: The Pimp at March 28, 2006, 2:08 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: Scammer takes your credit card, buys into a game with, say, $1000, loses the money to his friend, and disappears. You see the illegal charge and report it. Credit card company takes the $1000 back from the poker room. The account of the scammer is empty, so the poker room is SOL and loses $1000. The player who won the money playing cards is presumably an innocent bystander, so the site can't take that money back... Therefore chip dumping is strictly prohibited.
No, that's not the way. Poker room doesn't loose a dime if the card is not reported stolen before the buying. It is completely card companys loss, no-one elses. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: elric at March 28, 2006, 12:55 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | bayoupoker wrote: I am VERY familair with his situation. I tried as best I could to help him and am still trying. However this is what happened.
A private table was set up between he and a friend so he could chip dump. The network caught it. Even though I dont agree that having two people at a table and dumping to another should warrant locking the account, the network still considers it dumpiing. They took the position that its like saying "its ok to run a red light just because no one was at the intersection". I have tried to vouche for him but it got to the point where it was causing me problems with the network.
Todd, I am trying to help still with this but you are certainly not helping me or Tom by discussing my personal business with the network. I understand you are mad but please express your anger to the network, dont speak on my behalf as to who is or isnt screwing Bayou.
Mike
Mike,
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| Posted by: Jay at March 28, 2006, 9:28 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | slamdunka wrote: How so?
Scammer takes your credit card, buys into a game with, say, $1000, loses the money to his friend, and disappears. You see the illegal charge and report it. Credit card company takes the $1000 back from the poker room. The account of the scammer is empty, so the poker room is SOL and loses $1000. The player who won the money playing cards is presumably an innocent bystander, so the site can't take that money back... Therefore chip dumping is strictly prohibited. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jay at March 28, 2006, 3:54 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | slamdunka wrote: I dont understand why they care so much about chipdumping. The US govt isnt privy to any money trail in online pokerrooms set up in Malta, Gibralter, Costa Rica etc is it? These companies are based where they are so they dont have to have anything to do with governments that can cause them harm right? If Ihave an online room setup in Nauru for example, why would I care what happens re chip dumping as long as I got the rake and the deposit was honored(different matter)?
Email me your credit card information and I'll see if I can show you why chip dumping hurts the poker rooms.
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| Posted by: porkrind at March 28, 2006, 12:55 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Tin Foil hat time.
If you don't think the US government's three letter agencies are not tracking online gambling receipts and transactions I have land in a Florida swamp real cheap you can buy for a steal...........
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| Posted by: DrStrange at March 27, 2006, 11:29 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Chip dumping can be a way to launder money. The prospect of terrorists, drug dealers and other shady characters transfering money without it being traceable concerns the US government. Enough so that there are serious on-going efforts to make internet poker illeagle - including enforcement methods that will hold your bank, credit card company and ISP potentially criminally liable. (Though I suspect that the church and US based casinos might be more excited about on-line poker than the CIA - but who am I to say.)
Anyway, Internet card rooms are vitally interested in keeping the game legal in the USA. That requires an active effort to prevent money laundering. Thus, no chip dumping.
There are other issues about chip dumping that might effect other players in a ring game or a tournament. Plus a big chip dump might cost the poker room more in Neteller-type fees than it makes off of rake in a small number of hands.
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| Posted by: slamdunka at March 27, 2006, 11:10 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | | I dont understand why they care so much about chipdumping. The US govt isnt privy to any money trail in online pokerrooms set up in Malta, Gibralter, Costa Rica etc is it? These companies are based where they are so they dont have to have anything to do with governments that can cause them harm right? If Ihave an online room setup in Nauru for example, why would I care what happens re chip dumping as long as I got the rake and the deposit was honored(different matter)? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at March 21, 2006, 4:39 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | why don't these idiots atleast come out and say....oh i was chip dumping and got caught......oh yeah they're idiots
why try and ruin the reputation of a good company when you were the one that did something wrong. i agree with mike in that you can't be helping their business......after all who wants to work with someone when their brother is a crook. now be kind and take this discussion to 2+2 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: xaiviax at March 21, 2006, 4:01 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | bayoupoker wrote: I am VERY familair with his situation. I tried as best I could to help him and am still trying. However this is what happened.
A private table was set up between he and a friend so he could chip dump. The network caught it. Even though I dont agree that having two people at a table and dumping to another should warrant locking the account, the network still considers it dumpiing. They took the position that its like saying "its ok to run a red light just because no one was at the intersection". I have tried to vouche for him but it got to the point where it was causing me problems with the network.
Todd, I am trying to help still with this but you are certainly not helping me or Tom by discussing my personal business with the network. I understand you are mad but please express your anger to the network, dont speak on my behalf as to who is or isnt screwing Bayou.
Mike
Umm, the #1 reason chip dumping violates all online poker ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jay at March 21, 2006, 3:17 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: "my friend whom i was playing with at a closed table had his account close too, and all of his money taken as well.
we were accused of chip dumping, on a single table, that we created.
there are many of you on this forum that have knowledge of many moving money to other sites that seem to get paid off and money released in mere minute compared to the "fuck you player" rutine on many ongame and future bet sites.
But that is not the case in our situation.
nevertheless, how you get your money when you want it.?
moving chips to a site that wont fuck you and hold your money and pay off the "chosen Ones" or "chosed sites" and have everyone in the office administration snuff you off in a loop hole of failure to respond to some pie in the sky email. IS BULL Shit.
Sort of babble-y, but sounds like intentionally moving money between sites via a private table, aka chip dumping.
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| Posted by: bayoupoker at March 21, 2006, 2:40 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | I am VERY familair with his situation. I tried as best I could to help him and am still trying. However this is what happened.
A private table was set up between he and a friend so he could chip dump. The network caught it. Even though I dont agree that having two people at a table and dumping to another should warrant locking the account, the network still considers it dumpiing. They took the position that its like saying "its ok to run a red light just because no one was at the intersection". I have tried to vouche for him but it got to the point where it was causing me problems with the network.
Todd, I am trying to help still with this but you are certainly not helping me or Tom by discussing my personal business with the network. I understand you are mad but please express your anger to the network, dont speak on my behalf as to who is or isnt screwing Bayou.
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| Posted by: londonenns at March 21, 2006, 11:22 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | tmck19 wrote: to BC Sparky:
what the fuck kind of help are you?
why would you even waste you time responding if you have nothing lagit to add,
to answer your BS SPARks of shit reply:
i am a very experience palyer of online and live, the only reason that i have never posted before is that i have never been screwed.
i would never add to a fellow players pain the way that you did in your reply.
again, i have kept a close eye on this and other sites over the past years, as i assure you i have a vested interest in this specific site, my brother truly owns 50% of the total BayouPoker. i have diligently helped both Mike and Thomas in advertising and support throughout the start up of their venture.
i am simple being ripped off, i did not recieve the email that Donna and other managers have tried to hang me with. undoubtably they are haning thier hat of a loophole out, saying that because i didnt reply to their mysterious email, i must have been guily,
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| Posted by: TheJourneyman at March 21, 2006, 9:40 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: Sounds like he was chip dumping to another skin to cash out.
Bye-bye 6K.
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| Posted by: elric at March 21, 2006, 8:38 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | If he was my brother and winning on my site I would have the account permanently frozen and the funds moved to my personal vacation fund.
Hey I love my brother but I love my money even more!
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| Posted by: RobDoral at March 21, 2006, 7:48 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | Is anyone else amazed that no one has told the OP to go to lemonparty or meatspin for further assistance?
[edit] ah, I had forgotten about Jek's new rules. Could you sneak one past the umpire if you said those sites were both run by the NSFW commission?
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| Posted by: Pokerdogg at March 21, 2006, 12:58 am | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | tmck19 wrote: ...my friend whom i was playing with at a closed table had his account close too, and all of his money taken as well.
we were accused of chip dumping, on a single table, that we created.
there are many of you on this forum that have knowledge of many moving money to other sites that seem to get paid off and money released in mere minute compared to the "fuck you player" rutine on many ongame and future bet sites.
But that is not the case in our situation....
So what are you saying? Are you saying you did move money between you and your friend on this private table? If you did, you are screwed. This is chip dumping, and is a big no no.
tmck19 wrote: ...
My claim is warranted, i have no reputation of any wrong doing on any of my 5 online accounts on other sites.
not to mention, i would never attempt to wrong my brothers site.
this is not an attempt to back him or mike.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at March 20, 2006, 10:16 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | coloradoholdem wrote: Cha Ngo wrote: This is why you should play at Full Tilt.
IN THE PRIVATE HORSE TOURNEY
is there a private horse tourney sometime soon?
Funny you should ask CHE.
As it happens, there is such a tournament tomorrow.
Open to any whore with $22 spare.
http://www.bonuswhores.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20122
Food is free apparently, but bring your own drink.
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| Posted by: DrStrange at March 20, 2006, 10:11 pm | | Topic: POKER NETWORK SCREWED ME OUT OF 6K Forum: Bonus Whores | tmck19, the solution to your problem is simple. Your brother owns 50% of the site. He can surely get the problem sorted out even if he has to fire a few people to get it done, unless there are rules against family members winning. Just ask him nicely at dinner or breakfast.
It could be your relationship to the owner IS the problem. Lots of events prohibit family members from winning, go read the fine print in the terms and conditions and see if you have a problem there. If so, your brother should just pay you the $6,000 out of his pocket. He is making a fortune from the poker site - $6,000 is chump change.
If nothing else works, go visit your brother at the office. Nothing like a face to face meeting to get things cleared up. You are lucky. Most of us would have no recourse beyond calling on the phone or writing letters. You are related to the owner and can walk into the offices and talk with customer service with no troubles. I bet you will get a much better shake once the o... | | Read Entire Entry |
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