| Posted by: JoobJoobAchoo at July 27, 2006, 8:32 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | | Does anyone know what effect this will have on a bonus that is to be paid out in 30 days? For instance, if I start the site on Aug. 10 and finish the bonus on the same day, then the bonus won't be paid out until Sep. 9. So do you think B2B would just refund the money on Sep. 1 without ever paying out the bonus? Any current players talk to support about this? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: hogua at July 26, 2006, 5:20 pm | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | [quote="bedofnails"] micha1100 wrote: Say a site hosts a $100,000 guranteed tourney with a buy in of $100+10. 500 people sign up, so the site has to contribute 45,000 to the tournament. This is obviously Bodog?
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| Posted by: Lvdonkey at July 26, 2006, 3:20 pm | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | You're saying a site would look to kick a player off if they lose money to someone from an overlay? What you're not realizing is, poker, like any casino game, is long term profitable to the site. Someone might make 100k in craps one night, but overall at the end of the day-week-month.. the casino is going to be a big plus for their net revenue. Also, not all poker players play with bonuses, rake back etc. A bonus might tempt a fish to try a new site, but he's not going to care long term.
So even if the site you're playing on loses 1/2 of the bonus to you, what do they care it's advertising costs.. not all of the 5k players are working off bonuses on 4 different sites at a time like some poeple lol. It's a company.. if they spend 500k giving out bonuses per month.. and rake in what.. probably 100-200k a day? I'm referring to the network as a whole, not an individual skin though mind you. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at July 26, 2006, 2:18 pm | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | | Overlay tournament "losses" are nearly always calculated per player, as each player involved is costing the site $x amount of money. Dinging the MGR of the top finishers of a overlay tournament would make little to no sense, and could have the rather unfortunate prospect of causing the winner of an overlay tournament to potentially suddenly find themselves being kicked off the site for being insanely unprofitable. (Imagine putting $20k of negative cash flow on the winner of a $200k tournament.... you don't think that player will be seriously looked at by the managers of the site?) From an accounting perspective, it makes more sense to spread those "losses" out. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: grimgrin at July 26, 2006, 11:57 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | bedofnails wrote: From an operational perspective, that doesn't seem right.
They just use rake minus bonus = net revenue/loss. If they have an overlay tourney, it would make sense to split the "bonus" between all entrants evenly as they all start with the same advantage - a bigger prize pool than what they actually paid for. Someone has to win it. Doesn't matter if it is an American or not. Overlay bonuses are generally notated in overlay per person. Not in overlay per winner.
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| Posted by: grimgrin at July 26, 2006, 11:46 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: I find it hard to miss a site that takes 30 days to pay a bonus, allows one cashout per month, and takes a week to send the money for the cashout.
I'd miss a site that has about 600Euro ($750) bonus at 5x a minimum of once per month. That's a big bonus and normally all in one place so no need to shuffle money around.
I won't miss it though, cus I'll still be there
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| Posted by: fatshaft at July 26, 2006, 11:28 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | RobDoral wrote: The key is that 1.5% American players thing. The sites where it's predominantly Americans probably aren't going to mess with us. undoubtedly that has had a big influence, plus the fact that probably 1.499% of that 1.5 come from this site, are they really missing anything by shutting out Americans????
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| Posted by: ajk123 at July 26, 2006, 9:11 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | bedofnails wrote: micha1100 wrote: Well, at tournaments, too, it should make no difference to the site who wins the money.
But, being exclusively a cash-game player and also not a native english-speaker, perhaps I did not quite get the meaning of "overlay" and/or your question.
Say a site hosts a $100,000 guranteed tourney with a buy in of $100+10. 500 people sign up, so the site has to contribute 45,000 to the tournament. This is obviously a negative cashflow situation for the site, as the payouts must still be the 100K. How is this factored into the revenue or flow through for a particular player.
I mean, if one were to join a site with $100 and place second in such a tournament, then the site's "revenue" would be largely in the red for that particular player. No?
I'm not too sure, but I would think that they'd take the overlay and consider that a "bonus". for your example, the player paid $100 but was giv... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bedofnails at July 26, 2006, 8:05 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | micha1100 wrote: Well, at tournaments, too, it should make no difference to the site who wins the money.
But, being exclusively a cash-game player and also not a native english-speaker, perhaps I did not quite get the meaning of "overlay" and/or your question.
Say a site hosts a $100,000 guranteed tourney with a buy in of $100+10. 500 people sign up, so the site has to contribute 45,000 to the tournament. This is obviously a negative cashflow situation for the site, as the payouts must still be the 100K. How is this factored into the revenue or flow through for a particular player.
I mean, if one were to join a site with $100 and place second in such a tournament, then the site's "revenue" would be largely in the red for that particular player. No?
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| Posted by: micha1100 at July 26, 2006, 7:46 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | Well, at tournaments, too, it should make no difference to the site who wins the money.
But, being exclusively a cash-game player and also not a native english-speaker, perhaps I did not quite get the meaning of "overlay" and/or your question. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bedofnails at July 26, 2006, 6:52 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | micha1100 wrote: bedofnails - the site's profit from an individual should be rake taken minus bonuses credited. Whether or not you win money from other players does not make a difference for the site, so the amount you cash out has not much significance.
But then explain how overlay would factor into this equation.
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| Posted by: micha1100 at July 26, 2006, 1:00 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | | bedofnails - the site's profit from an individual should be rake taken minus bonuses credited. Whether or not you win money from other players does not make a difference for the site, so the amount you cash out has not much significance. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bedofnails at July 25, 2006, 10:42 pm | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | RobDoral wrote: The key is that 1.5% American players thing. The sites where it's predominantly Americans probably aren't going to mess with us.
1.5% Revenue, not players.
So, it very well could be said that American's are more efficent bonus clearers at B2B sites, as well as tourney players? I would be interested to learn however, how poker networks and sites calculate profit from individuals. Is it based on rake earned?
If I sign up with $200 but cash out $1000, only paying $100 in rake...would the network consider itself to have lost $100 to me? $800 to me?
Gonzo? Any input?
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| Posted by: tommyd7878 at July 25, 2006, 10:55 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: I find it hard to miss a site that takes 30 days to pay a bonus, allows one cashout per month, and takes a week to send the money for the cashout.
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at July 25, 2006, 9:12 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | | I find it hard to miss a site that takes 30 days to pay a bonus, allows one cashout per month, and takes a week to send the money for the cashout. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RobDoral at July 25, 2006, 6:43 am | | Topic: B2B shuts out American players Forum: Bonus Whores | The key is that 1.5% American players thing. The sites where it's predominantly Americans probably aren't going to mess with us.
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