| Posted by: Timprov at October 5, 2006, 8:54 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Some comments following up to bedofnails' post:
There are essentially four theories presented by poker sites as to why they believe they aren't covered by this bill so far which will have to be judged by the court system.
1. Poker is a game of skill. (The main proponent of this one seems to be UB.)
I think this is unlikely to get very far; in fact it will probably last just long enough to get to the courts, where it will be struck down more or less immediately. There is some hope in the complication of state law with the UIGE; which games are "skill games" and which are "gambling" is generally determined by the states, and if states can be persuaded to add poker to the first list that could change things immensely.
2. We are not in "the business of betting and wagering." (True Poker)
The theory behind this is that poker sites, which only charge rake, are not covered by the UIGE because of this restriction. I think this has... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bedofnails at October 4, 2006, 7:50 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | jack.duck wrote: bedofnails wrote: What I am finding to be either good, bad or scary, depending on the finality; almost ALL of the sites that are still allowing US players are basing this decsion on one of two sketchy factors:
some verbage or discussion of:
"...this law will be to potentially block transactions conducted
within the U.S. banking system, while the payment processing partners of
"INSERT POKER SKIN/SITE" are beyond the confines of this jurisdiction."
or
"Our strong belief is that poker is a game of skill and therefore is not encompassed by this law."
Those are two factors that have yet to be decided, and are not FACTUAL statements, but rather business decsions and choices made by the ownership of those respective sites. (To make as much money as possible up until the last possible point of reprocussions.)
I would advise those in the US that are depositing funds into si... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jack.duck at October 4, 2006, 7:29 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | bedofnails wrote: What I am finding to be either good, bad or scary, depending on the finality; almost ALL of the sites that are still allowing US players are basing this decsion on one of two sketchy factors:
some verbage or discussion of:
"...this law will be to potentially block transactions conducted
within the U.S. banking system, while the payment processing partners of
"INSERT POKER SKIN/SITE" are beyond the confines of this jurisdiction."
or
"Our strong belief is that poker is a game of skill and therefore is not encompassed by this law."
Those are two factors that have yet to be decided, and are not FACTUAL statements, but rather business decsions and choices made by the ownership of those respective sites. (To make as much money as possible up until the last possible point of reprocussions.)
I would advise those in the US that are depositing funds into sites <still accepting U... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at October 4, 2006, 5:12 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | | Prima/Microgaming is unknown. They are a private company, and there is some speculation that they are going to operate under the concept that they aren't responsible for what their individual members do. But nobody knows for sure. Bet365 is making the decision to sever ties on their own. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jgoldstein at October 4, 2006, 4:41 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | rsigley wrote: bet365 is gone
We regret to inform you that due to recent legal developments, we no longer accept customers who are resident in the United States of America. Please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may cause.
If you wish to withdraw your funds, please contact us and one of our highly trained customer service team will be available to help. Please note, any unsettled sports bets will be settled in the normal way.
Does this mean no more Prima sites? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bedofnails at October 4, 2006, 12:28 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | What I am finding to be either good, bad or scary, depending on the finality; almost ALL of the sites that are still allowing US players are basing this decsion on one of two sketchy factors:
some verbage or discussion of:
"...this law will be to potentially block transactions conducted
within the U.S. banking system, while the payment processing partners of
"INSERT POKER SKIN/SITE" are beyond the confines of this jurisdiction."
or
"Our strong belief is that poker is a game of skill and therefore is not encompassed by this law."
Those are two factors that have yet to be decided, and are not FACTUAL statements, but rather business decsions and choices made by the ownership of those respective sites. (To make as much money as possible up until the last possible point of reprocussions.)
I would advise those in the US that are depositing funds into sites <still accepting US players based on the abo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: rsigley at October 4, 2006, 8:42 am | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | bet365 is gone
We regret to inform you that due to recent legal developments, we no longer accept customers who are resident in the United States of America. Please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may cause.
If you wish to withdraw your funds, please contact us and one of our highly trained customer service team will be available to help. Please note, any unsettled sports bets will be settled in the normal way. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jack.duck at October 3, 2006, 11:29 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Danieljeans wrote: Talking to my friend we came up with a question: How can FCP make the statement that they are about their stance against this bill, when its Ongame who is going to decide. It doesnt seem like its FCP, Hollywoods, Pokerroom or anyones decison to make.
Am I missing something here? Its just like my friend said to me, its like a little boy asking if he could spend the night at a friends house. Its ok with him, but of course its the Mother who would have the final say. In this case, Ongame is the Mother and those skins are the kids.
I would tend to agree with this, but i have a suspicion that ongame might leave it to the individual skins to make the decisions since they are the ones taking the accounts and hold the potential liability (in my amateur opinion).
Also, a couple months ago there was the whole futurebet skins cashout debacle (bayou carnival, and maybe new york poker). people were sending emails to ongame and calling them, and they had no res... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gsolis at October 3, 2006, 6:43 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Bedofnails - hope your money from IP comes through. I made a request Sunday Night and just got it this afternoon.
Only have money left in pokerroom now, finishing bonus tonite and withdrawing. gonna keep at it at AP until further notice. GL everyone. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bedofnails at October 3, 2006, 2:48 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Danieljeans wrote: bedofnails wrote: Danieljeans wrote: Man, that would suck to have to wait 3-4 weeks for that check. Not to mention if these people are going to be making it harder to deposit money to play online, thats a real pain in the ass.
As long as Neteller stands strong, thats really no big deal, but if they decided to pull out down the line, that is just a real hoop to have to jump through.
The main thing though is waiting 3-4 weeks, when you could have that money in play on some other site. I would think sites should email you and give you 24-48 hours to make a withdrawl, THEN they mail you a check if you havent made one back to Net.
What a concept, people telling us how we have to spend our money! Scumbags!
FU White House!
As posted in another thread, to circumvent this exact occurance, I withdrew 3 days ago.
I have seen nothing hit Neteller.
Very lame. F Bomb worthy.
You made yo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bedofnails at October 3, 2006, 2:46 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | andrew26 wrote: bedofnails wrote:
Dear former online poker player,
That's quite an assumption.
Quite, but with the amount of sites dropping trow and bending over; the landscape is barren for those of us planted in US soil.
I think it would be quite reckless for anyone to start throwing money into the "smaller" sites that are saying "F this". The accountablilty for those actions could cripple the individual player (read: frozen assets).
I'm going back out on to the golf course until the pieces fall. No way am I moving money into another site, side stepping land mines (closures), and having some "check" mailed at there leisure.
F that.
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| Posted by: Danieljeans at October 3, 2006, 2:43 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | bedofnails wrote: Danieljeans wrote: Man, that would suck to have to wait 3-4 weeks for that check. Not to mention if these people are going to be making it harder to deposit money to play online, thats a real pain in the ass.
As long as Neteller stands strong, thats really no big deal, but if they decided to pull out down the line, that is just a real hoop to have to jump through.
The main thing though is waiting 3-4 weeks, when you could have that money in play on some other site. I would think sites should email you and give you 24-48 hours to make a withdrawl, THEN they mail you a check if you havent made one back to Net.
What a concept, people telling us how we have to spend our money! Scumbags!
FU White House!
As posted in another thread, to circumvent this exact occurance, I withdrew 3 days ago.
I have seen nothing hit Neteller.
Very lame. F Bomb worthy.
You made your request 3 days ago and t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Danieljeans at October 3, 2006, 2:41 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Talking to my friend we came up with a question: How can FCP make the statement that they are about their stance against this bill, when its Ongame who is going to decide. It doesnt seem like its FCP, Hollywoods, Pokerroom or anyones decison to make.
Am I missing something here? Its just like my friend said to me, its like a little boy asking if he could spend the night at a friends house. Its ok with him, but of course its the Mother who would have the final say. In this case, Ongame is the Mother and those skins are the kids. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bedofnails at October 3, 2006, 2:39 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Danieljeans wrote: Man, that would suck to have to wait 3-4 weeks for that check. Not to mention if these people are going to be making it harder to deposit money to play online, thats a real pain in the ass.
As long as Neteller stands strong, thats really no big deal, but if they decided to pull out down the line, that is just a real hoop to have to jump through.
The main thing though is waiting 3-4 weeks, when you could have that money in play on some other site. I would think sites should email you and give you 24-48 hours to make a withdrawl, THEN they mail you a check if you havent made one back to Net.
What a concept, people telling us how we have to spend our money! Scumbags!
FU White House!
As posted in another thread, to circumvent this exact occurance, I withdrew 3 days ago.
I have seen nothing hit Neteller.
Very lame. F Bomb worthy.
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| Posted by: Danieljeans at October 3, 2006, 2:30 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Man, that would suck to have to wait 3-4 weeks for that check. Not to mention if these people are going to be making it harder to deposit money to play online, thats a real pain in the ass.
As long as Neteller stands strong, thats really no big deal, but if they decided to pull out down the line, that is just a real hoop to have to jump through.
The main thing though is waiting 3-4 weeks, when you could have that money in play on some other site. I would think sites should email you and give you 24-48 hours to make a withdrawl, THEN they mail you a check if you havent made one back to Net.
What a concept, people telling us how we have to spend our money! Scumbags!
FU White House! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: andrew26 at October 3, 2006, 2:23 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | bedofnails wrote:
Dear former online poker player,
That's quite an assumption.
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| Posted by: bedofnails at October 3, 2006, 2:16 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Interpoker is gone.
From INTERPOKER moments ago:
Dear former online poker player,
Due to the imminent passing of the Federal Unlawful Gambling Enforcement Act on September 30 th 2006, we are no longer accepting wagers from residents in the United States. We regret to inform you that from 11am EST on 3rd October, 2006, we will be closing all your gaming accounts.
Your balance, minus any uncleared bonuses, will be refunded to you by check within the next 3 to 4 weeks.
As the world’s oldest and most respected online casino we very much hope in the months to come that the USA will see fit to license and regulate online gaming so that we can once again offer our services to you.
We apologize for any inconvenience and express our sincere thanks for your patronage.
Yours truly,
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| Posted by: Lorenza at October 3, 2006, 1:23 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | I think all of the public traded companies will withdraw from the US market when the law is signed.
Pokerroom is owned by Ongame, Ongame is owned by Bet and win a company traded on the Vienna stockmarket.
Noble and CD poker is owned by Empire Online traded on the London stockmarket.
They are responsible to their shareholders. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: VolFan64 at October 3, 2006, 1:04 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | elf23 wrote: WSEX: basically said "Come on over..."
Sorry for the noobish question, but for the uninformed is WSEX the site known as World Poker Exchange?
Thanks!
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| Posted by: Danieljeans at October 3, 2006, 12:47 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: Good to see Ongame willing to stick their necks out for us.
Although they are on the same network, I like FCPs response to this better than Pokerrooms. I kind of read PRs and it says, " well, once its passed, we are probably going to bail "
I hope I am wrong, OnGame needs to stay strong and show these cocksuckers in the U.S. Government that they will not be intimidated.
Money is the issue here, that is all they want. To be able to force you all out, so they can open up their own online sites within the U.S. and send you packing.
Take a Stand, do not allow this to happen. Why should they reap the rewards for what all of you started. Fuck em, thats what I say.
UB has it dead on and I would like to see more sites take this exact stance: Poker is a skill game and should be exempt from this bill. I like how they state they are doing nothing wrong with providing us this service. Most sites seem to be like " ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at October 3, 2006, 10:53 am | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Pokerroom:
Official Statement regarding US legislation
Oct. 03, 2006 On 30 September 2006 the US Congress passed the SAFE Port Act which also contained certain provisions known as the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (the Act) that will affect the processing of payments between US customers and online gaming companies, including PokerRoom.com. The legislation is expected to be signed into law by President Bush within the next two weeks.
PokerRoom.com is currently in the process of obtaining further advice with the objective of fully understanding the applicability and impact of the Act to our US players. However, until the act has been signed in by President Bush, your gaming at PokerRoom.com and CasinoRoom.com will not change and you are still able to both deposit and cashout through the processors available on the site. The funds in your account are yours and no matter what the outcome of this act, your money can and will be transferred to you at your requ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at October 3, 2006, 10:52 am | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Ultimate Bet:
You asked a question about the new United States gambling law. Yes, we do accept
American players. We first want to assure you that UltimateBet’s games are still
available and that you can continue to enjoy the site as you always have.
UltimateBet has offered its poker room since 2001, and is not located in the
United States. UltimateBet is not going away as a result of this legislation.
Here at UltimateBet.com the management of player funds is held to the highest
standard of a public company. 100% of player funds are deposited in a
segregated account, at a top tier bank, the Royal Bank of Scotland in the United
Kingdom. You can be assured that your funds are completely safe and secure and
that you are welcome to play with or withdraw your funds at anytime as usual.
The new law does not change the legality of playing online games. The law does
not impact people who play games from their com... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at October 2, 2006, 8:10 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Royal Vegas (Prima)
The new bill has no immediate effect on us and we will inform all our players how the bill will influence us once the banks have implemented the necessary systems and our legal team has studied the bill. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at October 2, 2006, 8:04 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Statement from Full Contact Poker (email):
Hi,
Thank you for playing at FullContactPoker.com!
Full Contact Poker is aware of the recent online gaming news coming out of
Washington D.C. and remains business as usual.
The United States Congress has recently passed legislation that aims to make it
illegal for U.S. banks to process transactions related to online gaming. It does
not, however, change the legality of individuals playing online games such as
poker. We want to assure you that the games at Full Contact Poker are still
available and that you can continue to enjoy the site as always.
Full Contact Poker is legally regulated and licensed in Curacao and will
continue to offer its services to anyone around the world.
Your funds are completely safe and secure and you are welcome to play with or
withdraw your funds at anytime as usual.
Our highest priority is to offer you the best player... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jgoldstein at October 2, 2006, 8:03 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | elf23 wrote: Cryptos gone
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=168318
FWIW, I'm currently playing on Poker Plex...unfortunately I'm waiting for my PIN number to get my money out. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Timprov at October 2, 2006, 8:01 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Some missing here:
OnGame and iPoker basically the same as Stars/FT: not making hasty decisions.
Paradise the same as Absolute: relying on their banking partners.
Bodog: Fuck the US government, we'll do whatever we want.
Boss Media: Bans US players.
PokerShare: Maintaining business as before, attempting to protect affiliates.
UB and Planet: Poker is a game of skill and therefore the law does not apply.
Poker.com the same as WSEX: Keeping US players under the rule of international law.
A friend and I are aggregating statements here on Livejournal. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gsolis at October 2, 2006, 7:52 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo
Thanks for posting, this definitely sound uplifting from AP. I just withdrew money from Party (was going to reload for the most recent bonus but decided aaginst it). Not to punish them but at all but hey, it's Party, they can do without me and I can do without their $100 when other sites like AP are at least attempting to sympathize.
Even if two weeks from now they close shop and witthold monies. ha. well, you never know...need to play somewhere so that's my choice. That and the PokerRoom bonus i'm halfway through.
GL. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at October 2, 2006, 7:06 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | andrew26 wrote: Here's AP's reply to my email
-- snip --
Hello Ho,
Thank you very much for your email. AP's management will release a statement very soon. Your money is completely secure, Absolute Poker is not affiliated with any US bank. We are all waiting for the Bill to be signed. As of right now business as usual at AP.
Mark
AbsolutePoker ~ VIP Host
VIP@AbsolutePoker.com
-- snip --
Not exactly inspiring huge confidence, IMO.
Im not sure if this is the "offical statement" or not but I found it on 2+2 posted by a user. It seems pretty promising to me....
Absolute Poker Business as normal! Absolute Poker is a privately held business and its executives today issued this following statement:
“As the 4th largest online poker company, we continue to welcome all Poker Players! AbsolutePoker.com is Absolutely confident in its ability to continue to offer United States c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: depokerstar at October 2, 2006, 6:42 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | andrew26 wrote: depokerstar wrote: andrew26 wrote: AC_Jeff wrote: Could you imagine how great AP would be if they were flooded with fish
Unlimited reloads in a fish pond! That would be sweet.
*fingers crossed*
Kudos to AP..just got an email with reloads everyday this week.
Looks like they see the same opportunity that I do. Now if only they return the raked hand threshold to a .25 rake, I will be one happy whore.
Shoot them an enal and suggest it..couldn't hurt
I'd think traffic would greatly increase if that happened, especially when Party and Stars make everything official.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at October 2, 2006, 6:40 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | depokerstar wrote: andrew26 wrote: AC_Jeff wrote: Could you imagine how great AP would be if they were flooded with fish
Unlimited reloads in a fish pond! That would be sweet.
*fingers crossed*
Kudos to AP..just got an email with reloads everyday this week.
Looks like they see the same opportunity that I do. Now if only they return the raked hand threshold to a .25 rake, I will be one happy whore.
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| Posted by: depokerstar at October 2, 2006, 6:37 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | andrew26 wrote: AC_Jeff wrote: Could you imagine how great AP would be if they were flooded with fish
Unlimited reloads in a fish pond! That would be sweet.
*fingers crossed*
Kudos to AP..just got an email with reloads everyday this week.
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40 ounce in my lap and it's freezing my balls | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jack.duck at October 2, 2006, 6:26 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | any word on the ongame skins?
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| Posted by: 45 Shooter at October 2, 2006, 3:34 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Mikke_ wrote: 45 Shooter wrote: OK so im clearing the 500$ + $100 bonus at
NAKED POKER
Im up 100$
should I take it and skidaddle ----- (thats leave in southern speak)
what you guys think
Shooter.
So let me get this straight - you are part way through a very good bonus, and you are also winning money too?
Mmmmm - let me think about it and get back to you later......
P.S. Wrong thread.
no point in breakin even.
Sorry bout the wrong thread thing but see, theres oh about 50 freakin threads running regarding this kinda stuff so I just found one that semi represented the the question and posted..
Like I said my appologies.
shooter
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at October 2, 2006, 3:25 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | 45 Shooter wrote: OK so im clearing the 500$ + $100 bonus at
NAKED POKER
Im up 100$
should I take it and skidaddle ----- (thats leave in southern speak)
what you guys think
Shooter.
So let me get this straight - you are part way through a very good bonus, and you are also winning money too?
Mmmmm - let me think about it and get back to you later......
P.S. Wrong thread.
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| Posted by: 45 Shooter at October 2, 2006, 3:20 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | OK so im clearing the 500$ + $100 bonus at
NAKED POKER
Im up 100$
should I take it and skidaddle ----- (thats leave in southern speak)
what you guys think
Shooter.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at October 2, 2006, 1:46 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | Here's AP's reply to my email
-- snip --
Hello Ho,
Thank you very much for your email. AP's management will release a statement very soon. Your money is completely secure, Absolute Poker is not affiliated with any US bank. We are all waiting for the Bill to be signed. As of right now business as usual at AP.
Mark
AbsolutePoker ~ VIP Host
VIP@AbsolutePoker.com
-- snip --
Not exactly inspiring huge confidence, IMO.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at October 2, 2006, 1:44 pm | | Topic: Poker Site status thread Forum: Bonus Whores | AC_Jeff wrote: Could you imagine how great AP would be if they were flooded with fish
Unlimited reloads in a fish pond! That would be sweet.
*fingers crossed*
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