| Posted by: HajiShirazu at May 5, 2005, 2:08 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | FWIW I totally agree with you and some of the bonuses that at first glance I thought were total crap are actually awesome if you play 2/4 or 3/6. And some of these sites have really good action at these levels. In particular I have found Absolute to be much better once I stopped playing 1/2 and hit the 2/4 and 3/6 games, there are some big-time fish in these games, especially at the 6-max, and some really good full games come out every once in a while too at these limits. Also the clear rate is very high in these games, and while I'm not sure I believe you get double points for 3/6 (I tried to check this while playing and I think you do,) if so, that is a 5x bonus where almost every hand is raked. And wow, even though the bonus is crap and you can only play one table (I signed for rakeback); the Fast Poker/Sportingbet network has some of the most awesome 2/4 through 4/8 games I have ever seen, these games are looser than the .5/1 party by a large margin!
I might check out bodog, the one time I visited ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HeelHo at May 4, 2005, 7:58 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | 1.5BB/100
thats less than what it takes to be a professional IMHO, well below one big bet an hour in a live game............Id think you would be better served moving to easier games, because variance can really screw you with a bad run of cards. If im risking myself that near break even Id rather move down to 3/6 , maybe surf for better games. You can say hitting a big loss before bonuses doesnt impact you , but it does..............
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| Posted by: 6maxpro at May 4, 2005, 4:52 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | kleptodathief wrote: wish i cud type all that lol...my 2c... if ur playing 5/10 who the hell cares bout some 200$ 1400hands raked bonus... that wud b peanuts compared to ur profits...r u 6tableing 5/10 limit games only??? thats some big stakes...wats ur flop pct. at limit tables? bonus whoring is all bout break even play...any profits on game play is just gravy
Alright Klepto, little math for you here... let's say you're an 'ok' 5/10 6max player, 1.5bb/100. So in 1400 hands, you make $210 from play, $200 from bonus. Think about it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AstroFlop at May 4, 2005, 1:50 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | JIC you don't know, UB offers double points for being the first or second person at a table. It really boosts the bonus clearance rate.
Cryptos should be high on your list. There's great action on the 2-4GBP tables (about $3.80-$7.60). The Brits are maniacs, just waiting to donate to your stack They also offer to make you a prop player to start tables in this limit range, and it pays pretty good. In addition, they have special hand bonuses about once per week (UK and TB) on the GBP tables. Crypto = profit
I just whored Poker Rewards (Prima); 50% TO $250. Not much higher limit, but it exists. 5x dealt raked, nice bonus. It looks like you can get similar bonus on Golden Tiger, even though they're partners. First one's "new account", second one is "Neteller deposit" specific. Not sure, have yet to try the GT. Go through ECD for nice comps to sweeten the deal (Not spam! BW doesn't pimp for these sites!)
I was going to suggest BODOG, but you've tried them already. IMO good... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jackbauer at May 4, 2005, 12:11 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | I constantly play 3/6 and 5/10. I think it is totally stupid that someone here makes the assumption that these bonuses do not matter because I play higher limits.
For example, I did the Party Poker re-load for April and made $700 just playing. Should I turn down the extra $100 because I already made $700? No, I think I'll take the $800 total, thank you very much.
Just because I and others play 5/10, the bonuses are just as profitable o us as they are to you.
Come to think of it, I need to start keeping track of just bonus money I earned. Easily at least 2,000 dollars last year, BARE minimum. And I shouldn't care about bonuses just because I play 5/10??????
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| Posted by: ed209 at May 4, 2005, 9:38 am | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | for higher limit play just reference what the highest possible bonus payout per raked hand is, and the minimum rake required to earn that amount.
Party skins (5x) - 20c - minimum 10c rake required
Poker Rewards group - 20c - min. 25c
Poker Stars - 20c - minimum $1 (5BB @ $2/4)
Gaming Club - 20c - min. $1 ($2/4 for max bonus)
Jet Set - 20c - min. $2
Games Grid - 20c - min. $3
Full Tilt - 18c - min. $3
Bodog (6-max) - approx. 16c - min. $1
Party skins (7x) - 14c - min. 10c
Pokerroom - 14c - min. $1
Interpoker - 12.5c - min. 25c
Bodog (full ring) - approx. 11c - min. $1
Absolute - 10c - min. 25c
Paradise - 10c - min. 25c
Ultimate Bet - 10c - min. $1
smaller sites with signup bonuses of less than $100 were omitted. also sites from Tribeca/Apex and Action Poker networks which pay bonus as a percentage of attributred rake were not analyzed. adding rakeback and/or prop earnings may also enhance the above figures.
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| Posted by: gimmedawatch at May 4, 2005, 5:16 am | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | | Sounds great. Now if only I didnt abhor limit poker. Seriously, though, your post is worthy and actually this type of whoring has the most potential earn since you're not limited to a few sweet bonuses like the Party reloads and a couple others and you can clear all of them with relative quickness. Personally, Im really liking Bodog. The points thing is not really much of an issue IMO. Sure, it would be nice if they posted a seperate bonus screen with the # of points you needed to clear, etc, but all you have to do is make a note of the point total you were at when you deposited and the point total you need to be fully cleared. B/c its contributed, the sitngos are a better value for lower limits, and for a limit player short-handed would obviously be ideal (and I think you could really make a killing there if that were your thing). Basically, you get a point for every contributed pot over $20 (which is all of them for you) and you need 3 points to clear $1. So even if you're only playing 1 hand per rou... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dwisetiger at May 4, 2005, 1:56 am | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | Viscent,
It's definitely worth my time, but I clear these bonuses differently than you talk about in your post. In your gaming club example, I would just play the 4/8 table or not play if they usually have a 5/10 that I can play later. But lets' say I play the 4/8, according to the bw site this is worth $9.90 per hour. I agree that some of these numbers are high by up to a couple of dollars per hour(I'm not familiar with the gc rate); but even if its $7 thats good money. Then I would open up 2 AP tables, 1PR, 1UB, and 1GG. Or maybe I substitute full tilt etc if there are no decent tables at a particular site. Now I'm getting $6-$10 per table. Thats some serious bonus/rakeback money. And I've also chosen the best tables from each site which helps your winrate considerably.
Sure I clear the bonuses slow, but that's sort of the point. I always have enough bonuses going to play 6 tables getting a good bonus at each one. At least that's the plan, and it's working for now but I'v... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: shep at May 4, 2005, 1:51 am | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | Doing the Pokernow Reload I've been experimenting with playing limit poker. Usually I play 100 NL games where the rake is much lower. Playing 4 tables of 2/4 at party I've found that I've been raked more than I win which is pretty frustrating. Another thing about playing 2/4 is that it has to be the softest game on party. You don't have to search for fish they flock to your tables in schools. Clearing raked hands is about 50% though.
I've also experimenting with playing 5/10 6 max on a party bonus as well. This bonus clear much faster, but you still get raked enormously compared to NL. I personally haven't ran the numbers, but I'd say that rakeback is going to be almost as profitable as a bonus when playing 5/10 6max. Also I'd say if you are going to play 5/10 6max you might want to consider propping. Where sometimes you can get up 100% of your rakeback. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dwisetiger at May 4, 2005, 1:36 am | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | "just fyi I signed up at full tilit and played an hour of 5/10. Cleared $7.56 in bonus "
"Was on one table? Also was it short handed or full table?"
One full table, which means 9 on full tilt I believe. We had 8-9 at all times. For $7.50/hr and 600 in bonus sitting there I'll definitely be playing at FT. I hope the softness of this table is the norm at FT. Definitely better than UB. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Viscant at May 4, 2005, 12:20 am | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | The only problem with clearing bonuses while playing 2/4 and above is measuring out whether or not it's worth your time. It has to do with the action at the limits you want to play and at the availability of the games. Like for example when I cleared the gaming club bonus last month. A horrible site for me. Even during "peak hours" there were close to no options for full table action. 2 2/4 tables (with weak-tight whores playing scared above their bankroll usually) and 1 4/8 table.
Now even though this is technically a 5x bonus, it was not worth my time. The bonus would be worth about $25/hr according to the bonus whores main site (according to personal experience this is about double what the real rate is, but for the sake of proving a point, let's use the $25 figure). So on average at the 2 2/4 and the 1 4/8 table, the bonus is worth 5-6 BB/hr.
Looking at another "bad" bonus, the PokerRoom bonus. At 7x, on paper this should be a worse bonus than the gaming club bonus for a 2-... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pokahpro at May 3, 2005, 7:57 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | dwisetiger wrote:
"You might want to take a look at some of the prima bonuses, gaming club, 7sultans, etc. They can require that you clear at 1/2, 2/4 or even higher. Your looking for the ones that offer you $200 or $300 dollar bonus on a $20 deposit. "
I will definitely be doing gaming club soon. Are there others in the same network that offer the same bonus? I didn't think about 7sultans. I'd like to do them all in this network since the whoring guide listed very good return rates on the gc.
Yes, Lucky Nugget, River Belle, all the prima sites are listed here.
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| Posted by: dwisetiger at May 3, 2005, 7:57 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | "Out of curiosity, have you had any problems multi-tabling on several different sites and having software conflict problems? I didnt with some of the bigger sites, but on the smaller ones I've had some issues."
I haven't had any problems at all. I have played at Empire, Party, AP, TP, PM, PR, UB, gamesgrid, interpoker, jetset, and bodog lately. I have a pretty good computer though. 3gh P4 with 1gig dual channel ram | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dwisetiger at May 3, 2005, 6:11 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | Warning long post. But good content imho
"I personally like full tilt, but there don't seem to be alot of games going over 2/4 or 1/2 NL. Poker Stars would be a pretty easy bonus for you to clear at any level higher than 2/4 and the games arent bad (especially if you like the UB games). "
I don't especially like the ub games. Sometimes I log on there but don't play because they are just too tight. I try not to play in games where the avg pot size is less than 5bb. 5/10 games just aren't as loose, but I win in them so the profit is good but the swings are not. Another benefit of playing 5/10 is clearing the bonuses faster. I may not love ub's 5/10 games, but making close to $10/hr in rakeback+bonuses makes it pretty profitable. I will definitely be doing pokerstars on their next reload. I play a lot of poker so I have time to clear a lot of bonuses. I'm just greedy and want to find the best mid limit bonuses so I started the thread.
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| Posted by: gimmedawatch at May 3, 2005, 5:56 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | "if ur playing 5/10 who the hell cares bout some 200$ 1400hands raked bonus... that wud b peanuts compared to ur profits..."
Ok, a little quick arithmetic. 6 tables x $5/hour/table = $30/hour. This is not peanuts, this is easy extra money and honestly Im surprised more mid-limit players arent all over this sort of thing, but I guess many of them are just enamored of Party. If he's making a solid 1 BB/100 hands from the ring games, then by my rough calculations he would almost double his win rate by whoring.
As for the original poster, yes sir you are indeed right. All of the sites that have the graduated point scale system would fit the bill bill you're looking for and be worthwhile (i.e. UB, Stars, FTP, Pokerroom, and Im sure many others). Out of curiosity, have you had any problems multi-tabling on several different sites and having software conflict problems? I didnt with some of the bigger sites, but on the smaller ones I've had some issues. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: apd138 at May 3, 2005, 5:33 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | | kleptodathief wrote: wish i cud type all that lol...my 2c... if ur playing 5/10 who the hell cares bout some 200$ 1400hands raked bonus... that wud b peanuts compared to ur profits...r u 6tableing 5/10 limit games only??? thats some big stakes...wats ur flop pct. at limit tables? bonus whoring is all bout break even play...any profits on game play is just gravy The only bonus I do this with are the party skin bonuses most of the other bonuses clear so slowly that if I don't try it would be pointless. At absolute, pokerroom I clear as much or more in profits than I do for the bonus. The bonus is very helpful for me in avoiding tilt as it lowers the variance because losses are always cushioned by it. If I was a break even bonus player I wouldnt even bother, I would just multitable the party sit and gos $22-$33, or play higher limits and less tables. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: kleptodathief at May 3, 2005, 4:49 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | wish i cud type all that lol...my 2c... if ur playing 5/10 who the hell cares bout some 200$ 1400hands raked bonus... that wud b peanuts compared to ur profits...r u 6tableing 5/10 limit games only??? thats some big stakes...wats ur flop pct. at limit tables? bonus whoring is all bout break even play...any profits on game play is just gravy
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| Posted by: HeelHo at May 3, 2005, 4:30 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | | thats because bonuswhores is a site(personal theory and observation, so dont blast me) geared for the slightly below, right at, and slightly above break even player. Most of us(including self) would have a hard time making a living and paying bills dealing wiht the swings at 3/6 or higher. ANd a winning 3/6 player, his income isnt heavily dependant on bonuses, and if it is , maybe he should be a 2/4 player. I would think if i was a 3/6 player, im looking for marks online, guys i have flagged in notes and pokertracker as long run BIG losers, and the money he is worth dwarfs running down a bonus, and Id be more focused on rakeback deals because $3 rake games can rack up bankable amounts compared to just some mad money from a $1 a game rake players. We knock full tilt and UB and Stars because its not garunteed easy money. Hell even a long run loser can make money with an account or two at all the party skins. This site is about finding the easy money, and playing 3/6 you run into guys who challenge your... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pokahpro at May 3, 2005, 3:26 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | You might want to take a look at some of the prima bonuses, gaming club, 7sultans, etc. They can require that you clear at 1/2, 2/4 or even higher. Your looking for the ones that offer you $200 or $300 dollar bonus on a $20 deposit.
I haven't done the math but they might be worth while. They usually work out to be 100 raked hands for $20 worth of bonus (5x). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JPMcMoney at May 3, 2005, 2:42 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | I personally like full tilt, but there don't seem to be alot of games going over 2/4 or 1/2 NL. Poker Stars would be a pretty easy bonus for you to clear at any level higher than 2/4 and the games arent bad (especially if you like the UB games).
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| Posted by: dwisetiger at May 3, 2005, 2:37 pm | | Topic: Some bonuses with a bad rap better for mid limit players Forum: Bonus Whores | I know people generally badmouth ub and other bonuses (full tilt etc) for low clearance rates. I generally play 5-10 and it seems like at least some of theses bonuses may be great for me. I just calculated my ub rate and I'm getting well over $6/hour, possibly over 7. I have some 3/6 mixed in there so I don't know my exact rate, but it's over $6 including both limits. Factor in rakeback at ub and you get a great clearance rate. Same with absolute.
I'm wondering if there are other bonuses like this that get a bad rap but are great for 5/10 players. I generally 6 table so I'm at several sites at once. for instance I will get on ub and wait for a good 5/10 table and do the same at other sites. By doing this I clear the bonuses at each site slowly but it leaves me the chance to be clearing bonuses on 4-6 tables constantly.
I was considering signing up at full tilt, which searching through previous posts it sounds like I should not do. But some would say not to bother with ub and I... | | Read Entire Entry |
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