| Posted by: EZ at August 21, 2005, 3:29 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | i agree, cut the man some slack. i don't think empire and multi changed theres to 15x and 20x because of a couple dozen people using this stratagy. more likely, the several hundred or thousands that only play when bonuses are offered.
i think most would be offended if a phil ivey type came in here and went off on all of us saying we suck at poker and that's why we are whores.....and went on and on.
this guy who created the thread either is brand new to poker or has struggled in past and saw this as a way to max his whoring profits. someone said 20 hours.....that is insane. i clear party 4 tabling in 6 hours at lowest limit ( at 55% to 60% of hands raked).
and if he is willing to gamble a bit and not push all-in preflop with AA and KK. then the majority of these big hands will make up a portion of his losses ( from just folding) thoughout the reload.
safe to say he could make $50+ in 6 hours. do that while watching tv or he could watch the play and get be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Loke at August 20, 2005, 9:11 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | hast wrote: a lot of the profit seems to come from people calling your all in preflop with Ax and other bizzaro hands. i've seen as low as A6 call. and people also calling the flop all in with any part of the board or a low pocket pair
Wow, you just described my BetonBet session last night. Very short session, but I saw someone call an all-in with an A6s. And then I got pocket AA, raised to $2, got reraised to $7, pushed all in and he called... with 55! Drug a nice pot there. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: hast at August 20, 2005, 8:45 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | how about using the miller short stack strategy
there is a post in this forum somewhere about it
but basically buy in for 20-25 BBs
raise AA-TT AK from EP
play pocket pairs from MP when the pot is unraised (this is pretty marginal, if you can't get your stack mostly in 90% of the time when you hit your set then it is probably unprofitable)
raise AQ from LP
i think the strategy recommends pusing AA-TT against a raiser
and AA,KK against a re-raiser
i don't strictly follow this but instead use poker tracker to dodge the ultra-tight players when i have the midpairs
after the flop i think it says push UTG and push if checked to if you raised preflop
i've played this at the micros 0.10NL and found it to be profitable over a very small sample size ~ 500 hands at 20bb/100
a lot of the profit seems to come from people calling your all in preflop with Ax and other bizzaro hands. i've seen as low as A6 call. and peop... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joepro at August 20, 2005, 1:18 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | mgbfan wrote: Loke wrote:
Oh I won't argue with you there at all. I do find BJ EXTREMELY boring. But not having to reference the card speeds it way up and at least reduces the time spent with the game. I also wager much more per hand than I used to. But the fact is, the money is just to good to pass up some times!
Exactly. Because you can easily score triple-digit profits in an hour. If folding in poker scored me triple digits per hour, I wouldn't be so critical of it. But it won't.
Playing good poker can, though.
Remember to keep chanting the following:
play great poker
play great poker
play great poker
play great poker
It can only help.
Seriously, why fold every hand? 50-60$ for 7 hours of folding is not something I would ever consider. You can easily play break-even poker, or even make a little profit. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Loke at August 15, 2005, 10:59 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | imbatilt69 wrote: homesar wrote: If you have to sit there and fold you will still invest your time while giving away money. So, why do it?
Also you will lose more than 35$ since people move in and out from tables causing the blinds to go faster.
Cuz you can do something else at the same time? Read homework relax..etc.
Then why are you playing poker? Seriously. Playing poker just to fold because you have "other stuff to do" sounds fairly retarded. If you have other stuff to do, do it. If you are going to play poker, play poker. This whole "fold cause I have other stuff to do" just makes no sense to me. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AJ at August 15, 2005, 7:10 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | imbatilt69 wrote: homesar wrote: If you have to sit there and fold you will still invest your time while giving away money. So, why do it?
Also you will lose more than 35$ since people move in and out from tables causing the blinds to go faster.
Cuz you can do something else at the same time? Read homework relax..etc.
Even when 2 tabling, I find myself bored, waiting for hands. You can 2 table and do something else at the same time. Folding would give you a little more free time, but not a lot, and it will cost you money.
To me, a much better reason would be because you can't play poker well, and if you don't fold, you'll wind up losing money. And to be fair, poker is a zero sum game, so we can't all win, and that ignores the rake (which makes it a negative sum game). According to my PokerTracker stats with 5,000 unique players, 60% of players lose money. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: imbatilt69 at August 14, 2005, 7:50 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | homesar wrote: If you have to sit there and fold you will still invest your time while giving away money. So, why do it?
Also you will lose more than 35$ since people move in and out from tables causing the blinds to go faster.
Cuz you can do something else at the same time? Read homework relax..etc. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Reef at August 14, 2005, 2:47 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Roymund wrote: It's easy to make money off of the $25 NL tables at Party. Just fold every hand except for pocket pairs, suited connectors and premium hands. When you have the nuts or near nuts, go all in, get an idiot to call and profit.
Might as well move up limits and start playing real poker. You will not make substantial $ playing the 25 tables. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: macman at August 14, 2005, 10:20 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Badbeatbill, clearly, 8 tabling and winning at all of them was a fluke. I went into it as an experiment after having read on 2+2 (I think or some other site) about some people 8 and 12 tabling and playing the starting hand strategy I described. Clearly, playing 8 tables didn't leave a lot of time for observing the table, reading players, etc.. I did have Poker Tracker running so that helped a bit.
I think that strategy would potentially get killed at higher limits. Over the long haul, it would have less success at the $25 NLHE level. But I do believe you could very consistently show a profit at the lower NLHE level employing that strategy, particularly during bonus time when there are more than the normal percentage of morons playing. I would add that I also did it on Fri and Sat night when you add the drunks and maniacs to the formula.
As far as my other statement, I guess for a college student, just clearing a $100 bonus plus $50 profit for 7 to 10 hours of work wouldn't be a bad... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Loke at August 14, 2005, 8:59 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | BadBeatBill wrote: Also, how is it silly if you can't average as much in winnings? I know, some people 'play to win' for the whole psychological feel, and some people play for fun, but above all, rather than win or have fun, I'm sure most people here just want to MAKE MONEY - and for a $100 reload bonus, playing 700 hands and making, say, $50 on top isn't silly at all, that's $150 for what, 9-10 hours of work?
I computed it after I was done last night. It actually worked out to $21 an hour, based on the 8:45 it took me three-tabling $25NL. Beats the $2.75 an hour I would have made posting and folding as the original poster suggested. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mgbfan at August 13, 2005, 11:18 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | BadBeatBill wrote:
Also, how is it silly if you can't average as much in winnings? I know, some people 'play to win' for the whole psychological feel, and some people play for fun, but above all, rather than win or have fun, I'm sure most people here just want to MAKE MONEY
To me, these are all one in the same. Winning=fun=making money. It's the same thing, AFIC. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BadBeatBill at August 13, 2005, 11:06 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | macman wrote:
Just for the hell of it, I 8 tabled reload bonuses once all at $25 NLHE. I basically followed the strategy above with some modifications (8x pfr with AA, KK, QQ .... played any pocket pair from any position for up to a 3 or 4x pfr, depending on the size of the raisers stack ... AK and AQ). I turned a profit at every table, anywhere from a couple of bucks to $100 or more. I errored on the side of protecting my stack, almost playing weak tight but not quite. But how boring this was. However, the hourly rate was very good.
FWIW, IMHO, if you can't at least average making as much money winning as you do from the bonus, it is a rather silly endeavor. On the average, I have somewhere between a 2:1 to 3:1 ratio of winning/bonus and enjoy the time spent doing it. Everyone has different needs though so to each their own.
I really doubt someone could play EIGHT tables at once and turn a profit at each one using a very weak/tight strategy. This strategy is... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: macman at August 13, 2005, 9:56 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | First off, if I were to employ the strategy of auto folding, I'd do it at $25 PLO Hi/Lo. The average pots are bigger therefore, you have a higher percentage of qualifying raked hands.
IMHO, if you purely wish to play for bonus money, I'd still employ the strategy of all in with AA and KK at the $25 NLHE tables. Over the long haul, this will be profitable. But it seems like it makes a lot more sense to at least learn to play a little. You could go all in with AA/KK, play all pocket pairs and fold unless you hit a set and if that works for you, play AK/AQ suited and gamble just a little. That would probably have you playing around 10% of the hands +/- 3%.
Just for the hell of it, I 8 tabled reload bonuses once all at $25 NLHE. I basically followed the strategy above with some modifications (8x pfr with AA, KK, QQ .... played any pocket pair from any position for up to a 3 or 4x pfr, depending on the size of the raisers stack ... AK and AQ). I turned a profit at every table, anywhere... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Loke at August 13, 2005, 9:00 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | AJ wrote: Maybe I'll have to try BJ whoring again sometime. I tried it once, so of course, I had to use a chart. After getting very bored, I'd upped my bets from $1 to $5...and run into that 5% (or so?) chance of losing the whole bonus. And then I screwed up when I tried to cash out before finishing the WR...wound up losing $100...largely my mistake, but a little bad luck too. Needless to say, not a positive experience. But maybe I can play while playing my VP$IP 19% style poker and waiting for the next hand to be dealt (which is a lot of the time...even when 2-3 tabling).
I do that, but more with Video Poker bonuses. I think many BJ tables will actually time out after a bit. VP does not. But I can't say for sure or if that's at all sites. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: sfgator95 at August 13, 2005, 8:43 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | To the OP, yes it is possible to just autopost/autofold and make money with the bonuses.
But I play poker because I enjoy the game, probably the same as most people here. Even if there were no such thing as bonuses, I'd probably still play poker. If I didn't enjoy playing poker then I would never even think of bonuswhoring poker rooms.
Since bonuses do exist and I enjoy playing poker, as long as the poker rooms are giving money away I'm going to find out what strategies there are to maximize my reward over and above my winnings. That's what bonuswhoring means to me- a way of maximizing the reward I get from something I'd do anyways. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AJ at August 13, 2005, 5:25 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Loke wrote: AJ wrote: Loke wrote: AJ wrote: I actually think I'd rather just press fold than look and a chart and see which button to press. Both are 100% mechanical. Both are boring, IMO.
I haven't had to look at a chart for blackjack in a long, long time.
Looking at a chart or not, blackjack is still 100% mechanical. I find it boring, but I know some of you don't. And yes, BJ with bonus will be more profitable than simply folding with bonus. I'm not trying to attack casino whoring. Just pointing out that it is a dull and mechanical process to some of us, just like pressing fold would be.
Oh I won't argue with you there at all. I do find BJ EXTREMELY boring. But not having to reference the card speeds it way up and at least reduces the time spent with the game. I also wager much more per hand than I used to. But the fact is, the money is just to good to pass up some times!
Maybe I'll have to try BJ whoring again sometime. I tried it o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mgbfan at August 12, 2005, 1:58 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | joewatch wrote:
By the way, what measures do the online casinos use to prevent card-counting online blackjack? Seems like it would be super easy to write a program that did all the work for you since optimum BJ strategy is completely mechanical.
Casino software doesn't deal out of a shoe. The cards are shuffled after every hand.
There's no counting. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: joewatch at August 12, 2005, 11:47 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | mgbfan wrote: AJ wrote: In the long run, no, BJ will never result in a huge profit.
It can result in a huge profit with the proper bonus. Which is what we were discussing. I profited more than $300 for less than 2 hours playing blackjack at CoN. Because of the bonus. That's why it's profitable.
By the way, what measures do the online casinos use to prevent card-counting online blackjack? Seems like it would be super easy to write a program that did all the work for you since optimum BJ strategy is completely mechanical. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mgbfan at August 12, 2005, 11:38 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Loke wrote:
Oh I won't argue with you there at all. I do find BJ EXTREMELY boring. But not having to reference the card speeds it way up and at least reduces the time spent with the game. I also wager much more per hand than I used to. But the fact is, the money is just to good to pass up some times!
Exactly. Because you can easily score triple-digit profits in an hour. If folding in poker scored me triple digits per hour, I wouldn't be so critical of it. But it won't.
Playing good poker can, though. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Loke at August 12, 2005, 11:05 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | AJ wrote: Loke wrote: AJ wrote: I actually think I'd rather just press fold than look and a chart and see which button to press. Both are 100% mechanical. Both are boring, IMO.
I haven't had to look at a chart for blackjack in a long, long time.
Looking at a chart or not, blackjack is still 100% mechanical. I find it boring, but I know some of you don't. And yes, BJ with bonus will be more profitable than simply folding with bonus. I'm not trying to attack casino whoring. Just pointing out that it is a dull and mechanical process to some of us, just like pressing fold would be.
Oh I won't argue with you there at all. I do find BJ EXTREMELY boring. But not having to reference the card speeds it way up and at least reduces the time spent with the game. I also wager much more per hand than I used to. But the fact is, the money is just to good to pass up some times! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AJ at August 12, 2005, 10:59 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Loke wrote: AJ wrote: I actually think I'd rather just press fold than look and a chart and see which button to press. Both are 100% mechanical. Both are boring, IMO.
I haven't had to look at a chart for blackjack in a long, long time.
Looking at a chart or not, blackjack is still 100% mechanical. I find it boring, but I know some of you don't. And yes, BJ with bonus will be more profitable than simply folding with bonus. I'm not trying to attack casino whoring. Just pointing out that it is a dull and mechanical process to some of us, just like pressing fold would be. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AJ at August 12, 2005, 10:55 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | mgbfan wrote: AJ wrote: In the long run, no, BJ will never result in a huge profit.
It can result in a huge profit with the proper bonus. Which is what we were discussing. I profited more than $300 for less than 2 hours playing blackjack at CoN. Because of the bonus. That's why it's profitable.
Loke wrote: AJ wrote: In the long run, no, BJ will never result in a huge profit. Mathematics says so. In fact, it says that BJ will never result in ANY profit...in the long run.
With bonuses, it certainly will. Playing proper BJ strategy makes the house edge very, very small. Throw in bonuses and they are VERY profitable in the long run.
Lots of bonuses are profitable. The BJ, in and of itself, is $-EV. That's all I meant. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Loke at August 12, 2005, 10:50 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | AJ wrote: In the long run, no, BJ will never result in a huge profit. Mathematics says so. In fact, it says that BJ will never result in ANY profit...in the long run.
With bonuses, it certainly will. Playing proper BJ strategy makes the house edge very, very small. Throw in bonuses and they are VERY profitable in the long run. Of course, I could just hit "stay" every hand and probably still make a small profit. But that wouldn't be very bright. Hitting fold is essentially the same thing. You are giving up a tremendous amount of profit doing so. But hey, whatever floats his boat. I didn't name call or bash. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mgbfan at August 12, 2005, 9:52 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | AJ wrote: In the long run, no, BJ will never result in a huge profit.
It can result in a huge profit with the proper bonus. Which is what we were discussing. I profited more than $300 for less than 2 hours playing blackjack at CoN. Because of the bonus. That's why it's profitable. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mgbfan at August 12, 2005, 9:49 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | AJ wrote:
I actually think I'd rather just press fold than look and a chart and see which button to press. Both are 100% mechanical. Both are boring, IMO.
At least in BJ, the outcome of any given hand is unknown. If this stupid "strategy," there are no outcomes. Just folding.
And some people do enjoy blackjack. I'm not one of them - I do hit the occasional blackjack bonus, but structure my bets so I'm not there long. But some people think it's fun. You're gonna have a REAL hard time convincing me that some people think pressing FOLD is fun. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AJ at August 12, 2005, 6:09 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Loke wrote: AJ wrote: Two, while I don't agree with the idea, if post-and-fold for bonus is a waste of time, so is playing 1000 hands of black jack for a bonus, yet there are people who casino whore. Are you calling them all moronic?
[Okay, go ahead and call me a dork, you assholes! ]
How do you figure this analogy is valid? Playing 1000 hands of BJ can result in a huge profit above and beyond a bonus. Folding can't. I don't even remotely get your point here.
In the long run, no, BJ will never result in a huge profit. Mathematics says so. In fact, it says that BJ will never result in ANY profit...in the long run.
But I'll at least agree with folks on this thread that:
1) Why not learn to simply play decent poker? But remember, folks, not everyone can do that...poker is a zero sum game, ignoring the rake
2) Yes, this behavior is not good for bonus whores, but...do you really think this is going to be a rampant problem? How man... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: AJ at August 12, 2005, 6:01 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | mgbfan wrote: AJ wrote:
Two, while I don't agree with the idea, if post-and-fold for bonus is a waste of time, so is playing 1000 hands of black jack for a bonus, yet there are people who casino whore. Are you calling them all moronic?
Well, at least playing BJ, you're doing something. But that said, if you spend HOURS at anything for minimal profit, yeah, it's pretty moronic. Unless you get enjoyment out of it. And there's no enjoyment in sitting in front of a screen doing NOTHING but pressing FOLD.
In other words, your analogy is flawed.
I actually think I'd rather just press fold than look and a chart and see which button to press. Both are 100% mechanical. Both are boring, IMO. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: typeachy at August 12, 2005, 3:24 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Wow, these threads are brutal. I agree with blosky, if poker is not your thing, then pop in a DVD and fold away. $50 bucks is still $50 bucks.
I don't know the mathematical specifics, but 4 tables of 25NL has got to give you an hourly rate of around $10. But like I said, I have no data on the profits of the fold strategy.
You are participating in behavior that encourages poker rooms to tighten up on their bonuses and hence take away from the bread and butter of some of the posters. Naturally responses will be hostile. Best of luck. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Loke at August 11, 2005, 6:17 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | AJ wrote: Two, while I don't agree with the idea, if post-and-fold for bonus is a waste of time, so is playing 1000 hands of black jack for a bonus, yet there are people who casino whore. Are you calling them all moronic?
[Okay, go ahead and call me a dork, you assholes! ]
How do you figure this analogy is valid? Playing 1000 hands of BJ can result in a huge profit above and beyond a bonus. Folding can't. I don't even remotely get your point here. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mgbfan at August 11, 2005, 5:42 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | AJ wrote:
Two, while I don't agree with the idea, if post-and-fold for bonus is a waste of time, so is playing 1000 hands of black jack for a bonus, yet there are people who casino whore. Are you calling them all moronic?
Well, at least playing BJ, you're doing something. But that said, if you spend HOURS at anything for minimal profit, yeah, it's pretty moronic. Unless you get enjoyment out of it. And there's no enjoyment in sitting in front of a screen doing NOTHING but pressing FOLD.
In other words, your analogy is flawed. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheFreeze at August 11, 2005, 4:32 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | AJ wrote: it's not nice, and it's uncalled for.
It might not be "nice" but I don't think it's uncalled for. Let's assume the OP's numbers were right. If this strategy worked, all it would do is kill good poker bonuses. I'm sure that part of the reason for the Crypto changes and Empire 15x and Multi 20x is partly to protect from these kinds of morans. I have no problems with telling people like this to fuck off . | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AJ at August 11, 2005, 2:36 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | mgbfan wrote: AJ wrote: Man this board can be vicious!
It's a moronic idea and would be a monumental waste of time. All people here have done is point that out.
I disagree on two accounts. One, simply pointing something out does not require telling someone their idea is like one that a moron would have (I assume that's what you mean by the use of "moronic". Nor does it require calling the original poster a "fukker" as someone else posted.)
Two, while I don't agree with the idea, if post-and-fold for bonus is a waste of time, so is playing 1000 hands of black jack for a bonus, yet there are people who casino whore. Are you calling them all moronic?
And I'm not just singling out mgbfan. A lot of you are unnecessarily rude. I guess you find it witty or something. Or maybe it makes you feel better about yourself. Heck if I know. But, to be corny, it's not nice, and it's uncalled for.
[Okay, go ahead and call me a dork, you assholes! ] | | Static Link |
| Posted by: peternorth at August 11, 2005, 1:29 pm | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | This is not even a strategy. I agree with earlier post, think of the bonus as what it is, a bonus. Most of us like poker and want to make money doing it, the difference is some players will go to where the bonus is at and do it.
Even the strategy of folding everyhand but AA or KK and going all in with them is not an efficient one in the long run. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Loke at August 11, 2005, 11:14 am | | Topic: Party poker bonus clearance strategy on NL $25 tables Forum: Bonus Whores | oonchie wrote: I am new to this bonus whoring thing. Here is something I've observed on NL $25 Texas Hold'em tables. About 70-80% of tables are raked. Let's do some math here for a FULL TABLE (i.e. 10 players).
Well, my main comment here would be, your percentage is BS when it comes to Party. I've been playing $25NL exclusively for the BONUSAUG reload and my raked rate is a solid 55%. Nowhere near 70%-80%. So you're gonna have to recompute your figures for Party and it's skins. | | Static Link |
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