| Posted by: EZ at December 2, 2005, 12:14 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | don't look good for da whores. 9k (people) strong on absolute at Noon central on friday.
seems like they've barely skipped a beat. and they are making much more money as a site now.
perhaps some other site will pull an absolute?? they went from way back in the pack to top 5 (or close) in a short time. and seem to have retained the players.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at December 1, 2005, 5:33 am | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | 1p0kerboy wrote: Quote: Nothing personal, Im just an asshole.
Post of the day.
Say, 1p0kerboy, do you play at Absolute under that handle?
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| Posted by: HeelHo at November 30, 2005, 7:33 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Nothing personal, Im just an asshole.
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| Posted by: 1p0kerboy at November 30, 2005, 5:11 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: Youre probably one of those dipshits who wont play a home game if it has a rake. Life has a rake. Its not free to set up a financial system to make this happen. Bandwidth isnt free. Even rude ass Bradhama in Bangalore isnt free. You probably have hacked versions of all your software. I guess good riddance to you if you wont play "bad" bonuses that arent over 100% rakeback. No rake = no poker. SO saying a bonus isnt a bonus unless it goes over rake, and a rake is "stealing" is ridiculous.
Why the defensive position here? I'm thinking (although it doesn't specifically say so) that this rebuttal is aimed at me so I will respond as if it were.
I'm not complaining about less bonuses. I think we were fortunate to have the numerous great bonuses that we have had. I knew we were being spoiled all along and I don't think it was a big secret. Surely the pokerrooms that were losing money to us couldn't afford to do it forever. Only someone who is ignorant would think that.
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| Posted by: HeelHo at November 30, 2005, 2:42 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Youre probably one of those dipshits who wont play a home game if it has a rake. Life has a rake. Its not free to set up a financial system to make this happen. Bandwidth isnt free. Even rude ass Bradhama in Bangalore isnt free. You probably have hacked versions of all your software. I guess good riddance to you if you wont play "bad" bonuses that arent over 100% rakeback. No rake = no poker. SO saying a bonus isnt a bonus unless it goes over rake, and a rake is "stealing" is ridiculous.
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| Posted by: AJ at November 30, 2005, 12:27 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | 1p0kerboy wrote: Quote: "whoring" at an end?
BS. All whoring is is taking the extras you can get in poker where you can get it.
I guess we have never really properly defined the term "whoring" then. I always thought of whoring as taking advantage of a site to make money off of them. If you are clearing a bonus which gives you some of your rake back, are you whoring the site or are they whoring you? They are technically making money off of YOUR PLAY. It is the equivalent of paying a low rake.
Thoughts?
Exactly. Rakeback = a lower rake than a competitor. But that's not a "bonus". That's just a lower rake. There's no "whoring" involved. To me, whoring is playing a certain number of hands because you are paid (net, i.e., bonus > rake) to do so. Simply taking LESS of my money to play the same number of hands is not whoring -- that's rakeback. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: 1p0kerboy at November 30, 2005, 11:07 am | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: "whoring" at an end?
BS. All whoring is is taking the extras you can get in poker where you can get it.
I guess we have never really properly defined the term "whoring" then. I always thought of whoring as taking advantage of a site to make money off of them. If you are clearing a bonus which gives you some of your rake back, are you whoring the site or are they whoring you? They are technically making money off of YOUR PLAY. It is the equivalent of paying a low rake.
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| Posted by: HeelHo at November 30, 2005, 10:20 am | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | "whoring" at an end?
BS. All whoring is is taking the extras you can get in poker where you can get it. There will always be incentives. You may have to switch from handjobs to DVDA, but whoring aint going away. If you cant hang with it, go play it straight at gayplusgqueer.
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| Posted by: EZ at November 30, 2005, 9:42 am | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | you knew this was coming at absolute. they were losing money every hour on the 50/1 limit tables. too many whores.
just like poker plex loses money and will eventually change their bonus. or enforce it.
been clearing my empire/party at NL lately and that will change surely as well. paying a dime a hand to whores on a $2 pot won't last forever. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AJ at November 30, 2005, 8:44 am | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: Quote: Whoring is coming to an end it looks like. Saw it coming. Will keep getting worse.
I have to second his opinion.When you're forced to rebuild your BR at Bodog .25/.50 and still get your sets and two pairs sucked out on then the game as we know it is begginning to resemble the Jedi in Revenge of the Sith.In otherwods;into a dark time.
If people are sucking out on you a lot, that's good -- they're playing poor. You should make a lot of money off of them. If you depend on bonuses to build your bank roll...well, they help, sure, but wouldn't it also help if you could simply play poker well?? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BonusSnore at November 30, 2005, 8:31 am | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | 2/4 is clearly the game to play. There are still quite a few pots at 2/4 that land under $10 though, so it still had a decent effect there. There seems to be more 2/4 tables now too, so you can practice table selection, especially among the 6 max.
Skill set is exactly the same among the 2/4, if not worse, to the 1/2's.
It's probably for the best they move to this system, we need them to be profitable to keep offering the goods.
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| Posted by: Randyb at November 30, 2005, 1:21 am | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | samag wrote: Does this new policy apply to bonuses that are pending from funds that were deposited before this policy change? They can't "change the deal" after the fact, can they?
Were they planning on informing people who are already working on bonuses or are we just supposed to find out on our own?
This is not cool.
Sure they can, And you agreed to it when u signed up. Chk your T&C.
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| Posted by: samag at November 29, 2005, 11:50 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Does this new policy apply to bonuses that are pending from funds that were deposited before this policy change? They can't "change the deal" after the fact, can they?
Were they planning on informing people who are already working on bonuses or are we just supposed to find out on our own?
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at November 29, 2005, 10:53 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: Quote: Whoring is coming to an end it looks like. Saw it coming. Will keep getting worse.
I have to second his opinion.When you're forced to rebuild your BR at Bodog .25/.50 and still get your sets and two pairs sucked out on then the game as we know it is begginning to resemble the Jedi in Revenge of the Sith.In otherwods;into a dark time.
Guess it's time to either move up and beyond, or throw in the towel..
Can only see one direction. Hope it's the right one....
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at November 29, 2005, 10:42 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: Whoring is coming to an end it looks like. Saw it coming. Will keep getting worse.
I have to second his opinion.When you're forced to rebuild your BR at Bodog .25/.50 and still get your sets and two pairs sucked out on then the game as we know it is begginning to resemble the Jedi in Revenge of the Sith.In otherwods;into a dark time. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: iwasajackoff at November 29, 2005, 7:41 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | I havent played at absolute for a while. Not that I dident want to just couldent find time due to other bonuses i was working on. I have about $100 pending bonus about to expire Intented to play there this weekend but the Gaming club reload came up and the paradise reload. And party reloads.
It was a good bonus But latlely just ben better deals by that I mean also other 10x bonuses except at sites way looser then absolute. I might even venture to say some of the poker room Skins were better to play at the lower limets just because you could find better games and still clear some bonus maybe not as quickly but still overall more profitable. It sucks they changed but hardly end of bonus whoring | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at November 29, 2005, 6:06 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | PunisherX wrote: So are you telling me the bonuses havn't been getting worse? Cryptos, Ub, absolute. Empire basically gone. Its going to continue. They keep following each others lead. Plus the games are getting tougher. flop% are way lower than they were 9 months ago. Or maybe I am just imaganing things.
Empire gone??
Just did last 2 $100 bonuses this month - 1 at X10, other at X5 - well +EV ex-bonus at .5/1.00 - it's my favourite site at the moment. Left $100 in there to play without bonus...
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| Posted by: ed209 at November 29, 2005, 5:59 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | even with the downgrades, a great majority of bonuses remain plentiful and worth significantly more than rakeback from an affiliate. it's just more proportional to the stakes you're playing now. if you <50 post guys can't make ends meet from 50-100% rebates, read more books or something.
discuss the decline in bonus? sure.
complain about it? if you want, but it's pointless.
"whoring coming to an end"? christ, get a new hobby then. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: PunisherX at November 29, 2005, 5:48 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | | So are you telling me the bonuses havn't been getting worse? Cryptos, Ub, absolute. Empire basically gone. Its going to continue. They keep following each others lead. Plus the games are getting tougher. flop% are way lower than they were 9 months ago. Or maybe I am just imaganing things. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: andrew26 at November 29, 2005, 4:46 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | PunisherX wrote: Yep I am ABSOLUTELY done there. They sucked before this. Whoring is coming to an end it looks like. Saw it coming. Will keep getting worse.
You misspelt "micro- and low-limit whoring is coming to an end."
For mid-high limit players it has never been better.
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| Posted by: ckmj23 at November 29, 2005, 4:20 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | PunisherX wrote: Yep I am ABSOLUTELY done there. They sucked before this. Whoring is coming to an end it looks like. Saw it coming. Will keep getting worse.
Hardly,
Even if you play 1/2 6max. Roughly 40% of the pots will be raked which is only slightly worse than .50/1.00
Even better, play 2/4 where virtually every pot will be raked. One could play at -2.5BB/100 3 to 4 tabling and still break even
Some of the comments in this thread are funny "They've lost my business", etc, etc
When absolute pays you more in bonus and RB than you contribute in rake, Im sure they wont mind losing your business | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ed209 at November 29, 2005, 3:21 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Poker Pirate wrote: This is definitly a great compromise between whores and profitability, but what about casual players who play there? Wouldnt this piss them off? Id hate tosee absolute loose any non whores it has.
casual players hardly know about bonuses, much less rake structure. one thing I noticed while doing the Martins Poker bonus is the large number of players on B2B network playing 25c LIMIT ring games which cannot possibly clear any bonuses, but are still raked. this kind of audience combined with the higher limit players who generate more MGR than the bonus pays back ensure the poker sites a core profitability.
what is happening now on a more stealth level is that the rakeback equivalency ratios of the easy bonuses are being fine tuned a little. party still has the initial 5x signup deal for any size rake which can be worth as much as 2000% rebate, but for the majority of sites this is not sustainable. the old Interpoker bonus was theoretically as high as 800%, now it is... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Guacamole at November 29, 2005, 3:16 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | I just played a few orbits to check out if this whole thing is true. It is. Pots need to be raked .50 to get a point.
So its now more like the bonus clearing structure at PokerStars. But Stars only makes you clear 5 points per dollar of bonus. So AP is now much worse for bonuses than Stars at low limits. Add on the fact that AP rakes 5% at dollar one and it makes it much much worse than Stars. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: andrew26 at November 29, 2005, 3:14 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Poker Pirate wrote: andrew26 wrote: Guacamole wrote: They now need to rake .50 at a $5.00 pot like Party now. I don't think anyone would complain. I'm hoping PokerStars does the same one day so I can clear those bonuses also.
Since I have rakeback there, I would not mind this move as much as I did when Party started raking .50 on a $5 pot.
That actually sounds like a good middle ground between profitability for the site and bonuses for whores.
This is definitly a great compromise between whores and profitability, but what about casual players who play there? Wouldnt this piss them off? Id hate tosee absolute loose any non whores it has.
Casual players don't care about rake, let alone choose which site to play based on it.
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| Posted by: Harmonica at November 29, 2005, 3:10 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | I was going to start giving these guys all my custom to next month, somebody said that the pots that reach $5 are getting raked like they do on party, are you talking about limit there, because when a pot reaches $5 in the NL games only 0.25 cents is taken at party?.
You would think that some of the sites out there would run really good bonuses to try and steal market share of there rivals, but this doesn't seem to be the case. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Poker Pirate at November 29, 2005, 2:54 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | andrew26 wrote: Guacamole wrote: They now need to rake .50 at a $5.00 pot like Party now. I don't think anyone would complain. I'm hoping PokerStars does the same one day so I can clear those bonuses also.
Since I have rakeback there, I would not mind this move as much as I did when Party started raking .50 on a $5 pot.
That actually sounds like a good middle ground between profitability for the site and bonuses for whores.
This is definitly a great compromise between whores and profitability, but what about casual players who play there? Wouldnt this piss them off? Id hate tosee absolute loose any non whores it has.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at November 29, 2005, 2:49 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Guacamole wrote: They now need to rake .50 at a $5.00 pot like Party now. I don't think anyone would complain. I'm hoping PokerStars does the same one day so I can clear those bonuses also.
Since I have rakeback there, I would not mind this move as much as I did when Party started raking .50 on a $5 pot.
That actually sounds like a good middle ground between profitability for the site and bonuses for whores.
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| Posted by: TheFakeG at November 29, 2005, 2:30 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: Is Bodog worth it?
Abso-f'n-lutely, it's worth it! If you play Stud, the bonus is a cinch to clear.
No kidding, 3 weeks I played 1 hour of Stud/8 while playing 2 other SnGs, and that 1 hour of Stud play was worth 56 points....that's close to $19 of bonus cleared per table hour!
Besides, the players suck there - sure, they occasionally will bite you, but the winnings plus the easy to clear bonus makes that site a great site to whore. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: briton at November 29, 2005, 2:13 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | I am upset because i play alot of tables and alot of hours. I also only play .50/1.00 tables. My whoring list before was Paradise, Party, Empire, and Absolute all the time. Now as a .50/1.00 whore I only have 3 sites and all those have to be reloads IF they come. I had rakeback at absolute also....it was nice while it lasted. Is Bodog worth it? Where else to go? Mabye I am going to have to move up to 1/2. Ill have to find the best 1/2 whoring site and take it slow. Dont know where to start doing that at either....
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| Posted by: Guacamole at November 29, 2005, 1:51 pm | | Topic: Absolute changes BONUS requirements Forum: Bonus Whores | | They now need to rake .50 at a $5.00 pot like Party now. I don't think anyone would complain. I'm hoping PokerStars does the same one day so I can clear those bonuses also. | | Static Link |
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