| Posted by: i-gami at October 2, 2006, 10:40 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by dominique
My guess is we will see all public companies reject US players, as well as britain based ones.
... and what about their current player databases comprised mostly of US punters who may have bankrolls already in house? Are they going to close any and all of those accounts held by american players because its the "responsible" thing to do?
They have already been accepting players from Nevada, Washington, Louisiana, and Indiana for quite some time, will they change now or look for another hoop to jump through? I surmise we will see a little bit of both ...
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at October 2, 2006, 10:03 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
It seems that most of the major public companies already have. I'm glad to see them go. Some of them have enough cash reserves to keep them open for a while, and are hoping that will give them enough time to get into Asia, but they'll find that more difficult than they expect, perhaps even harder than opposing the current US market.
I say farewell to them with a smile though. Some of those big players (Party and all) should never have been allowed to grow so powerful anyway considering their checkered past. I'm happy to see the small fish given a chance to grow, which is ultimately what always happens when a form of prohibition is forced on a society.
And really, at the end of the day, it is so easy to get around those bans that I don't see why they bother. For next to nothing you can get a bank account and address in pretty much any country you want, put a proxy on your ISP, and they'd never identify you as a US player. But again, most of those guys aren't worth the trouble, not w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dominique at October 2, 2006, 8:35 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by colly
Impressive list of adjectives indeed- One question- were you referring to the CWFA or the politicians.
Regards
Colly
Take your pick!
My guess is we will see all public companies reject US players, as well as britain based ones.
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| Posted by: prizewagon at October 2, 2006, 6:09 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
I have worked in the online gaming industry for years (since 2000), a little over a year ago when there was a change of leadership at one of the major software providers I, and several others, found ourselves w/o a job.
While I feel for my friends, aquaintences, and former coworkers that are still in the industry given how this will effect them, I must say that those that did not see this coming (given ALL the indicators and the current political climate) were simply closing thier eyes in the face of reality.
Myself, and a few of the others that were briefly jobless last year put our heads together and utilizing the same creativeness we did when helping to launch and grow our former employer's business have put together a poker site that this bill can't touch.
We could have done a "for money" site but why do that given current events?
Check us out. My handle here should guide you.
To all my friends in London and in C.R.---hope ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: colly at October 2, 2006, 5:24 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by dominique
I can't think of a more misguided, slogan ridden, unobjective, unreasonable, malinformed, prejudiced, selfserving, uncompassionate, rigid, intellecually limited, uneducated, reality estranged, cliquish, intransigent, intolerant, opressive, self indulgent, unaware, repressed, bottled-up, stifled, blocked, curbed, inhibited, preposessed, biased, irrational, uncompromising bunch of people.
There, I said it, and not a dirty word in the lot.
Impressive list of adjectives indeed- One question- were you referring to the CWFA or the politicians.
Regards
Colly
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| Posted by: caruso at October 2, 2006, 4:18 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
Dominique, that was an impressive list of adjectives.
I wonder what the implications are now for the major providers, or at least those that aspire to be regarded as "responsible"? Will they encourage US players to "break the law"? Accepting their deposits would be tantamount to so doing.
It'd be interesting to get Microgaming's stance on this.
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| Posted by: dominique at October 1, 2006, 4:27 pm | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
I can't think of a more misguided, slogan ridden, unobjective, unreasonable, malinformed, prejudiced, selfserving, uncompassionate, rigid, intellecually limited, uneducated, reality estranged, cliquish, intransigent, intolerant, opressive, self indulgent, unaware, repressed, bottled-up, stifled, blocked, curbed, inhibited, preposessed, biased, irrational, uncompromising bunch of people.
There, I said it, and not a dirty word in the lot.
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| Posted by: dominique at October 1, 2006, 12:40 pm | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
The CWFA is a fundamentalist Christian organisation.
I can think of a number of other interpretations of CWFA but if I wrote them down here they would force Max to send me into exile.
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| Posted by: caruso at October 1, 2006, 9:54 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
The good lady does typically incorrectly state that online gambling is illegal, but like it or not an awful lot of what she says is correct in regard to the dangers involved. Although this legislation has no effect on the individual punter, I would guess that the less educated members of society, those who are ulnerable to said dangers, are just those who will be discouraged from fuelling the addiction by incorrectly assuming that online gambling is now banned. This can only be a good thing.
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at October 1, 2006, 3:34 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
Someone should call this lady and ask her what the heck she is thinking, and what makes her an expert on the subject. I find the act of tacking something onto a bill at the last minute before a ote to be a disgraceful political maneuver, not something to be applauded.
CWA Commends Congress for Not Taking a Gamble 9/29/2006
Washington, D.C.--Concerned Women for America (CWA) applauds the passage of the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act sponsored by Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Arizona), which prohibits using credit cards, checks, and wire and electronic fund transfers used in Internet gambling. Online gambling is illegal and this bill seeks to extend the nation’s gambling regulations to the Internet. This bill is the Senate's ersion of the House bill, H.R. 4411, sponsored by Rep. Jim Leach (R-Iowa) and Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), which passed in July.
“We are ecstatic about the bill’s passage,” said Lanier Swann, CWA’s director of Government Relations.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at September 30, 2006, 6:57 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
Ain't democracy grand.
Americans need not worry. They can happily gamble onland and at the state horseracing & lottery sites. Nopt so far in the future Americans will be able to bet on poker and in the online casinos provided by American firms only.
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at September 30, 2006, 4:58 am | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
This only serves as absolute proof as to what a joke the US political system has become.
First they realize that the bill would never pass on it's own merits, so they try to tack it onto a military spending bill, knowing that one was all but guaranteed to pass given the military needs in Iraq.
They get called out on that one and are forced to remove it for having nothing to do with the bill, so they do the same bs trick and tack it onto a spending bill for increasing security at our ports. What this has to do with homeland security is a mystery to me.
Moves like this should be a criminal offense, but sadly, they are not because they are often the only way for shady politicians to fulfill their back room deals with companies that want to bypass the rules, hold onto monopolies, and flat out deceive the American people. The simple fact that the bill could not pass on it's own should show that it is not in the interest of the majority, and such trickery should automatically ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jetset at September 29, 2006, 11:29 pm | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
The political manouevreing and debate went on past midnight Friday, but the Port Security Bill, with Frist's compromise anti-online gambling attachment, was oted through by the House with an overwhelming majority despite reservations by some politicians on the gambling attachment.
Frist's compromise focused mainly on screwing up financial channels for online gambling a la Leach, but he removed the update to the Wire Act to get the thing through.
Apparently a Senate oice ote is now a shew-in, after which minor bureacratic processes leading to the President's signature is all that stands in the way of both the Port Security Bill and its anti-online gaming attachment.
In practical terms this is going to be difficult to implement to say the least - the banking folks are already protesting that it places an impractical and costly burden on them, and that they may not be able to rise to the occasion.
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| Posted by: OddJack at September 29, 2006, 11:23 pm | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
Most forms of Internet gambling would be banned under a tentative agreement reached on Friday by U.S. congressional negotiators.
Pending a review by other lawmakers, the measure could be brought up within hours for passage by the House of Representatives and Senate and then forwarded to President George W. Bush to sign into law.
The measure would be attached to an unrelated measure to bolster port security. [ Reuters - U.S. Internet gambling bill gets last minute push ]
damn these Republicans. they can't pass Internet Gambling Bill ia normal routes - they go the backdoor way - such low lives, no class - why the American people allow these hooligans to legislate how they spend their money and what they do with their money - man - this is scary - the Republicans are not only conservative but also fanatical - tacking everything they don't like into terrorism. dang.
that's so easy.
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| Posted by: Bethug at September 29, 2006, 9:34 pm | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
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WASHINGTON, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Most forms of Internet gambling would be banned under a bill that received final U.S. congressional approval early Saturday.
The House of Representatives and Senate approved the measure and sent it to President George W. Bush to sign into law.
The bill, a compromise between earlier ersions passed by the two chambers, would make it illegal for banks and credit card companies to make payments to online gambling sites.
Democrats had accused Republicans of pushing the bill to placate its conservative base, particularly the religious right, before the Nov. 7 congressional elections.
"It's been over 10 years in the making. The enforcement provisions provided by this bill will go a long way to stop these illegal online operations," said Sen. Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican and a chief sponsor of the measure.
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| Posted by: caruso at September 29, 2006, 3:37 pm | | Topic: Frist may be succesful with last ditch attempt Forum: Winner Online |
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Frist has apparently attached legislation, originally introduced by Rep. Jim Leach, that essentially bans banks, credit card companies and internet payment websites from settling debts for online gaming sites.
That's ery bizarre wording, assuming it means just "funding accounts". Can you clarify?
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