| Posted by: BingoSteve at May 10, 2000, 4:04 pm | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
Steve, I agree with you. I own a internet Bingo site, and if I were to sell it, it would be for the profit, not because of the Kyl Bill.
The Kyl Bill only effects US companys doing gaming. My brief input is that it will be unenforceable. Beside the fact that this bill was first introduced in 1996, and has yet to make it ery far. You have to understand the whole process to pass a bill. As far as I and my attorney is concern, they just submit this as a scare tactic for the public.
For such enities like myself, whom are not a US corporation, and our company has no ties with any US company, the US has no rights over us. Now they can do what they want, but it will never hold up in the highest court.
BingoSteve
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| Posted by: Steve Adkins at May 10, 2000, 1:39 pm | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casino Guru:
Hi,
I don't think Steve is selling his casino to become a neutral party. He is selling it so as not to break the law if and when the Kyl Bill is passed as the Department of Justice has made clear that although it will not prosecute individual online gamblers as yet, it will prosecute anyone who runs an online casino. Offenders will be jailed.
I think there is an important distinction to be made here.
Although I don't support going to the media over the GP thing, I still give him due respect for trying to organise players to act against GP.
I would appreciate you not quoting me, or should I say mis quoting me?. He is selling his casino has not to break the law? For you to make such a statement is a little off the wall don't you think.
Give me a break please.
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| Posted by: Steve Adkins at May 10, 2000, 1:29 pm | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
The Kyle bill had nothing whatsoever to do with me selling the Casino.
I am going to court with this GP thing and did not want a conflict of interest. That is all. So lets not put to much into this Kyle Bill thing.
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at May 10, 2000, 1:12 pm | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
I don't think that this will fly, but it has worked in the past in physical machines. I'll give you an example. There was a time when any type of slot machine or ideo poker game was completely prohibited in the state of California. Game manufacturers quickly came up with a way to get around the laws though.
What the did was develope a candy dispensing machine. Players would walk up to the machine, drop in a dime and get candy dispensed to them. As a bonus, the purchase of the candy would earn them a free play on a reel slot type game also built into the machine, and they would actually win real money from this. Since the spin was free, the player technically was not making a wager, and therefore no one could say they were gambling. The machines went unquestioned for years, until the government noticed that people would stand there for hours dropping dimes into the machines, even though the candy dispenser was empty. Hmmm. Wonder why they kept buying all that candy? After this officials cracked ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casino Guru at May 10, 2000, 12:44 pm | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
If you follow the debates surrounding the Kyl Bill, they have more or less made it clear that although online gambling may be made illegal, they are not about to go after individual online gamblers.
Instead, what they intend to do is to go after online casino operators.
True, it will be difficult to hold ISPs accountable but I am not sure what else they will come up with.
Anyway, I have given my opinion and am kinda tired of this whole GP thing. My take on online casinos has always been let the buyer beware. In return for the uncertainly and risk involved in playing at them you get unbelieveable bonuses which you can make a lot of money from. Just try to go up to a land based casino and ask them for a 20% deposit bonus on any amount, much less a $10000 deposit. If you look at the business point of things, if casinos do not lock out people who play only for bonuses, they are sure to go bust. Of course, they should give fair warning and not apply arbitarily rulings retroactively... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Kyla at May 10, 2000, 11:35 am | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
They arent!
Casino G. - I will let Steve inform you how he came to the decision to sell his casino and it is your choice to believe as you wish.
He is not the one who took GP to the media, by the way. That was spearmaster...who went to all the appropriate levels, gathered and erified information, and THEN went to the media.
Steve, is still on the GP issue; however, his goal at this time is simply to start an online organization to work with the casinos and the customers. Hopefully we will all be better off for that. When casino websites clearly state ALL their rules {with consumer input}, promptly and honestly payout, and make promo offers they intend to stand by...then we can all relax and begin to work on the littler gnats. Unfortunately, there is a need for people like Steve, spearmaster, dov...that make some of us a little nervous, and definitely are making some casino owners nervous. They are the people who stick their necks out making sure our rights are protected...whi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Spearmaster at May 10, 2000, 11:15 am | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
On May 1st, the Supreme Court may have unwittingly dealt a death blow to the Kyl Bill, in my opinion.
It allowed the ruling of a lower court to stand, where a boy sued Prodigy for allowing an impostor to register accounts in his name.
In brief, a quote from the article reads:
Quote:
Jeremy Harris Lipschultz, an associate professor of communication at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, said Internet service providers are not held liable for content the same way that a publisher might be because the sheer olume of data means that service providers do not -- and often cannot -- monitor each message's content.
"The courts have been pretty consistent on this issue -- that it would be impossible for Internet service providers to police everything that comes across their lines," he said.
The link is http://www.chronicle.merit.edu/free...2000050201t.htm
If they cannot force ISPs to be held liable, how in the world are they going to poli... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Casino Guru at May 10, 2000, 10:58 am | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
Hi,
I don't think Steve is selling his casino to become a neutral party. He is selling it so as not to break the law if and when the Kyl Bill is passed as the Department of Justice has made clear that although it will not prosecute individual online gamblers as yet, it will prosecute anyone who runs an online casino. Offenders will be jailed.
I think there is an important distinction to be made here.
Although I don't support going to the media over the GP thing, I still give him due respect for trying to organise players to act against GP.
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| Posted by: Marlene at May 10, 2000, 10:24 am | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
Kyla,,, you are right, an important one at the top.. STEVE. you dont need to sell your casino, We all know who you are here and what a difference it brings.. It and YOU are ery welcome casino owner or not.. So Please think real hard, it may be a bad decision. Anyway best of luck in whatever you decide.
Off to work.
Ta,TA..
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| Posted by: Kyla at May 10, 2000, 10:15 am | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
Steve is putting his money where his mouth is...{that is kinda a dumb saying} and SELLING HIS CASINO in order to not have any affiliations...and represent the online gambler fairly.
Get over and give some input/support guys!!
Or just post it here...whatever works.
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| Posted by: Kyla at May 10, 2000, 9:24 am | | Topic: Players....Ready to take some control back??? Forum: Winner Online |
Brand stirred the pot...and Steve Adkins bit!
He is at the first level of starting a online players association...
Once again, Steve A is nominated to get this going. Who better to represent the player, than a player, who also owned a casino, and a forum. Steve has access to attorneys, has aluable knowledge to assist us, and as someone pointed out here...time on his hands.
He will need lots of support and contribution from seasoned players. Everyone has something to contribute...but right now...to get going...Steve needs to know the mass of support he will have behind him. Wait on the goverment like a good clone...or put your oice in the online players association. It will become as large and powerful as we make it...
the ideas in the making are on Steves board under the "players association" so, STOP GAMBLING ...take a break...throw in your ideas and support statements and make a difference in your gaming experience. After all....
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