| Posted by: papashango75 at August 18, 2000, 12:55 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Duh I finally Goddit Joseph.I wracked me poor brains all night long about your post
thinking and rethinking in my sleep if there could be any fine prints in your post which my lame brain would have missed and would get me into trouble.But then I asked me mommy and she told me: "No Papashango me lad Joseph is a fine man who only curses his customers when he gets rattled and calls them idiots when he gets a bad review on the message boards which he frequents like a man possessed".Duh I finally Godddit Joseph.
Regards,
Duh
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| Posted by: Erin at August 18, 2000, 11:07 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
And, may I say, good point Spearmaster!
"You can try as hard as you want, but you can't find fault in Pinnace."
I have found a fault - it's the manner in which the Pitboss responds to concerns. I would much rather play at a casino which provides courteous, friendly support - even if I am frustrated and hostile. Joseph, sure, you are in a somewhat hostile arena, here, but you had the opportunity to either respond professionally (omit the "idiot" and "stupid" commentary), or to respond emotionally... you chose the latter, to a degree.
You likely would receive a much warmer reception if you did use the phrases that Spearmaster suggested - much more diplomatic, and it does not put customers on the defensive.
Erin (who's never afraid to share her thoughts on ANY subject, much to many people's dismay)
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at August 17, 2000, 8:57 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
GOOD POINT AMATEUR SLEUTH!
Joseph, I have *never* heard you ONCE say "I'm sorry", "I apologize for the misunderstanding", "We accept responsibility", or "It was my mistake".
It's ALWAYS the PLAYER'S MISTAKE.
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Spearmaster
http://www.got2bet.com/
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| Posted by: colly at August 17, 2000, 8:47 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Steve,
I see that anger management course provided you with reality based isualisation techniques.
Great stuff
More please
regards
Colly
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| Posted by: AamateurSleuth at August 17, 2000, 6:16 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Dear Pinnace,
I was already registered at gambling.com with a "free" email account before your offer was made. I had to use it to ote.
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| Posted by: pinnace pitboss at August 17, 2000, 5:29 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Just to clarify with everyone and anyone who cares. Pinnace casinos will let you register from anywhere! Our Cashier is where to buck stops so to speak. Anyone living in a area that has been determine to be illegal or not accepted is not ever allowed to deposit funds into any Pinnace casino account. Get it!
You can try as hard as you want, but you can't find fault in Pinnace. In this case, the fault goes to a user that did not follow rules set by the casino which are in print in three different places on our sites.
Because of our problem with Free Web-Based E-Mail users registering for our FREE $80.00 in casino money. We clearly state that we do not accept the use of free web-based e-mail in all future promos.
OK, does everyone get it now?
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| Posted by: Marlene at August 17, 2000, 10:14 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
****!! After a short little nap I get up and see the insanity continues as crazy as yesterday. LOL.. Keep up the good work all this will all someday make us rich from writing a book.
Good luck all.
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| Posted by: babykakes1 at August 17, 2000, 8:04 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Hmmm...this place also would let me set up an account and register however in the ery fine print it states that "winnings" could not be sent to some locations, mine being one of them. Very odd that most places that do not allow certain jurisdictions to play also do not allow them to register in the first place. Seems like I could set up an account deposit and LOSE but if I won I would be SOL.
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 17, 2000, 12:47 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Or maybe offer free Pinnace-email
btw good to see that Papashango 75 was genuine - hasty, but genuine!
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| Posted by: ether at August 16, 2000, 3:43 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
In order to play at your casino, a person would have to "pay" $300 or more per year for email first, then would be eligible to play at your casino. Because you will not accept free email. Does this sound fair? This sounds ludicrous. Can't you just check on the names instead, as previously mentioned. There are so much more free email sites offered than "paid" sites. Why would anyone who has free email should pay for it, just to play at your casino. Would you be willing to pay for it? I think not. Why not just change that rule, it is really ludicrous.
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| Posted by: Hitmob at August 16, 2000, 10:58 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
I am getting to like this guy
ner ner nee nee ner ner
Hey I have a terrible radio oice but I have a good face for radio!!
Pinnace Pitboss getting to be a nice man
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| Posted by: pinnace pitboss at August 16, 2000, 10:36 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Whoops! Here's one for you Hitmob. http://www.winneronline.com/interviews/fouraces.htm
I have a terrible phone oice, I can just imagine what it would sound like on net radio.
Joseph
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| Posted by: pinnace pitboss at August 16, 2000, 10:23 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Drop it Hitmob!
I won't be interviewed. I told you that earlier in the Thread. Can't you get the message?
It's my perogative and the situation has been resolved as also previously indicated in this thread. Now leave me alone or I'll sick Steve on you.
Joseph
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| Posted by: Hitmob at August 16, 2000, 10:21 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
pinnacle pitboss
does any one ever answer your telephone??????
spoke to steve he told me about you
haha
yeah right
off you go
arse
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| Posted by: Hitmob at August 16, 2000, 10:04 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Please don't claim that you've been trying to reach me all day and you didn't get an answer from me. This is a flat out lie and I don't appreciate it.
all recorded on tape like todays attempts to get hold of you
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| Posted by: papashango75 at August 16, 2000, 9:53 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Thank you Joseph for clearing this matter up.I was perhaps a bit foolhardy in putting this post up prematurely but I could'nt help it.I got an email saying that my account was closed and that is what made me angry and I put up this post.But that does'nt mean you should call us all idiots or me personally.I did not make a rude remark to you personally Joseph or call you names,I was only upset. There are thousands of internet gamblers who use web based email addresses and I happened to use one at your site.You ought to change the "Real email address required " to "Paid email address required " at your registration page so that dullards and idiots like me can understand clearly Joseph.
Regards,
An idiot who gambles at fouracescasino
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| Posted by: Erin at August 16, 2000, 9:15 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
"Sonny Jim" - Ha! I can just hear you calling him "Sonny Jim" - That's funny! Hitmob my dear, you are the light that makes this board so bright.
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| Posted by: pinnace pitboss at August 16, 2000, 7:24 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Hitmob,
Get with the program. If you think I'm Jim, you must be as nutty as everyone thinks you are. I don't have a french accent a lisp or sound anything like your best friend Jim.
If you really want to know who I am, you can ask the operator (my buddy) of this board who I am and he'll tell you.
Please don't claim that you've been trying to reach me all day and you didn't get an answer from me. This is a flat out lie and I don't appreciate it.
Your buddy Steve also knows ery well who I am. I just conversed with him yesterday on another matter ia e-mail. Ask him, and please stop posting the crap about me until you know who I am. It may just come back to bite you in the butt on day.
BTW >> Thanks for creating such scandal on this board, it probably helps keep everyone on their toes around you.
Joseph
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| Posted by: Marlene at August 16, 2000, 5:19 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
I have played in Four Aces and with 50.00 I played quite a long time, but I can see their slots really never pay out much. I was looking at the winners and what they were advertising was something like 345.00 winner on slots. **** I can make that off of a penny machine, let a lone my 1$ and 2$ bets. Anyway my opinion. If this is Palatee, long time no see, but hhhheeeee's back.
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| Posted by: colly at August 16, 2000, 2:02 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset,
I think you have enough credibility on this forum to post an opinion without any of us assuming ulterior motives
- however one point.
As long as the industry could be loosely classified as "self regulating" I do think honest casino operators SHOULD give an opinion and criticise or add pressure to their less upfront fellow operators.
Self regulation requires constant pressure and igilance from ALL sides.
If Steve can post lists of charge back players despite being the players rep then casino operators can join in denunciation or criticisms of one their own where warranted.
regards
Colly
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 16, 2000, 1:09 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Well, I thought it would make an entertaining exchange and the Pitboss from Pinnace's Postings have certainly stirred things up.
In fairness I have to curtail my post on this thread lest I be accused of trying to malign another operator through ulterior motives, but I think PlayTheRush, Erin and more recently Colly made good points - and where, incidentally has Papashango75 disappeared to after starting all of this? Could he/she be a nasty after all?
Another alid point which Playthrush or was it James made was that if you have this sort of rule would it not be better to nail the culprits at sign-up?
Sometimes it is wiser to reflect for 24 hours before rushing into angry postings, but to those (mainly players) on this MB
who want to hear other perspectives I would say spare a thought for the constant attempts which are made daily to screw the casinos - not by regular players like yourselves - but by the legions of downright crooks who are out there.
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| Posted by: colly at August 15, 2000, 4:26 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Good stuff,
Erin- I think your persistance paid off.
Now can we have some feedback from said persons about whether in fact the money they deposited has been refunded.
regards
Colly
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| Posted by: Mary (aka The Original Mary) at August 15, 2000, 4:25 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Calm down, Pitboss. I'm afraid you're just reaping what other operators have sown. Everybody's web site says how reliable, honest, etc. they are. Personally, I think the practice of buying otes is questionable, but I can see that's industry standard now. I can also understand locking out customers from freemail addresses, but, I can imagine that money can be made from those who sign up, lose, and make no fuss. Is Pinnace setup to automatically refund freemail players' deposits, or do they have to try to cash in at some point to be picked up on the radar?
Industry folks who can stand the, ah, less diplomatic critiques afforded here can learn useful information about what they can put on their sites to remain competitive. At the moment, the whole industry is suffereing because of the banking problem.
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| Posted by: Erin at August 15, 2000, 3:51 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
I guess the stupid idiots are smart enough to know who they are.
OK - I think we all understand that you want to avoid fraudulent activity. That is completely understandable.
So, you DO refund the money to the losers who are "stupid" enough to deposit money and lose using a free e-mail address, then? Is that right?
(Oh, it's "old news" - we're supposed to drop it - are Playtherush and I the only ones that are curious if this fine, honest man does give the money back?)
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| Posted by: pinnace pitboss at August 15, 2000, 3:46 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Here I go defending myself again....
You guys just don't get it do you?
I have not cheated anyone and never will!
Many players have used fraudulent means to play at our sites and I'm trying to eliminate the bad guys that's all.
Hitmob, I do not want to be interviewed for casinogazette.com. It's my choice if I want to keep the peace. Although I do think that casinogazette.com is a ery good idea, I just choose not to participate.
I'm not calling everyone here stupid or idiots. The few that I made this staement about know who they are.
Hey, my sites do provide the best customer service around as you all should know.
Drop the subject already! It's old news.
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| Posted by: Erin at August 15, 2000, 3:17 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
I do like his approach - it's always good to call your customers/potential customers "stupid" or "idiots". That's what I was taught in our "Winning Customer Satisfaction" class, anyway.
Hey, Mr. Pitboss: So, since you will not tolerate free e-mail users, PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU REFUND MONIES LOST to these same folks when they play at your casinos. You do, right? Otherwise, Playtherush has a point. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I would bet you happily keep any losses from folks using a free e-mail account.
Sheesh! Steve, you don't need anger management - this "pitboss" could use some training on How to Win Friends and Influence People."
Attention Moderator: Please don't remove Pinnace Pitboss' post - it shows how he feels about some of us idiots.
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| Posted by: James at August 15, 2000, 2:59 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
>Look for us to take over at least four of the top ten spots at gambling.com at the end of this month.
The top sites listings at gambling.com are a complete joke to anyone who is aware of net gambling. While I am a satisfied customer at English Harbour, it's obvious that they got their #1 spot by offering $20 for otes. All of the top 5 casinos at gambling.com pay $10 to $20 for otes.
This is a great deal for their players, and probably a ery efficient marketing strategy for the casinos as well, but is totally worthless for the supposed purpose of a top sites poll -- namely to point newcomers to players' favorite casinos.
Four Aces just rocketed into the #5 spot last month from #21. Is it a coincidence that this was the same month they offered $20 for otes? I have have no doubt that Pinnace can come up with four of the top ten spots. They are paying $10 apiece for otes at six of their casinos this month.
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| Posted by: pinnace pitboss at August 15, 2000, 2:17 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Are you all out to get me or what? I run the fairest, most honest casinos on the net and to be condemned for the stupidty of some not so smart players as well as some of you idiots that have no idea at all anyway is ridiculous.
As P4K said, I am a stand up guy and completely honest. I would never try to cheat anyone out of their winnings, promo or not. I try ery hard to operate the fairest, most honest casinos on the net. It should not be my fault if someone can not follow instructions properly. Enough said.
To All of those people using Free Web-Based E-mail on the Pinnace Gaming Network.
We will not tolerate the use of Free Web-Based E-mail accounts for use at any of our great casinos. Reason: We have been cheated by many fraudulent players in the past and I will not allow us to be exposed to that sort of thing now or in the future.
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| Posted by: ether at August 15, 2000, 1:03 pm | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
I use a free email address through a free isp. Do the math, cost is "0" ersus paying for an isp that could cost over $300 a year & using their email address, which in some cases free email addresses are better than the paid ones, when it comes to functionality. I have both to separate different tasks. I actually prefer my free email account much better than I do my paid one for many reasons I won't mention.
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| Posted by: James at August 15, 2000, 9:24 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Actually I have successfully played and been paid at Four Aces with a free email account (cybergold, when they offered email). Obviously, there are a lot of free email sources out there, and Pinnace probably only traps hotmail, yahoo, and perhaps a couple others.
Personally, I use a free email address for all of my gambling accounts, in an effort to keep this segment of my life separate from work, family, etc. For similar reasons, I use a different free email account for business and job searches. Since I see no reason to change this, I won't be playing with Pinnace in the future.
I think it really sucks to do the email erification at cashout rather than at signup.
I recognize why they are concerned about free email accounts, but really I think this is STUPID on their part. What they really want is to ensure that they have only one account per player. If I have multiple non-free email accounts (work, alumni association, my ISP, etc) can I have multiple accounts? My ISP allows ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Erin at August 15, 2000, 8:28 am | | Topic: Pinnance not paying up Forum: Winner Online |
Mike Craig - the nice guy with the sexy accent
Steve Adkins - the other nice guy who happens to say "Bull****" an awful lot and kills purple dinosaurs
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