| Posted by: kissmyjazz at February 26, 2006, 5:27 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | Damn, you reminded me that I used to play on Everest all the time and really enjoyed their soft games and low rake. It was in my pre-bonuswhore days. But one day they decided to forbid players from Estonia to play there without any explanation so I had to become the bonuswhore as a result.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at February 23, 2006, 11:24 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | Maybe people just like playing at PS.
Rake/bonus/etc.etc. probably means very little to most of their client list.
They just like gamboooling.
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| Posted by: gumica at February 23, 2006, 11:14 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | Well i think Everestpoker got the lowest rake (3% last time i looked, instead of 5%) and look how many players they have got
And party with fixed the same. 10% rake is alot but they still get players. So i dont think people care too much about low rake even thou they probably should.[/quote]
thx for reply. don't know about everest structure, but maybe this is explanation. will not go into their marketing or if site is buggy, player friendly or just not so nice looking tables.
lest compare 3% instead:
if they take 3% sharp and don't have usual structure, that means they take more than stars at lower limits.
EVEREST: 10000 x 0.50$ = 5.000$ ( 15$ ) STARS: 10000 x 0.00$ = 0$
EVEREST: 10000 x 0.75$ = 7.500$ ( 25$ ) STARS: 10000 x 1.00$ = 10.000$
EVEREST: 10000 x 1.05$ = 10.500$ ( 35$ ) STARS: 10000 x 1.00$ = 10.000$
EVEREST: 23.000$ vs STARS: 20.000$
surely this is just for this comparison, change limits and you might get another ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: shabik at February 23, 2006, 7:05 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | Yes absolute also sucks.
Quote: if i had a small site, i wouldn't offer big bonuses, but very small rake.
Well i think Everestpoker got the lowest rake (3% last time i looked, instead of 5%) and look how many players they have got
And party with fixed the same. 10% rake is alot but they still get players. So i dont think people care too much about low rake even thou they probably should. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: gumica at February 23, 2006, 6:21 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | if you think absolute is a bad example - here is another one.
wonder why your bonus whoring eurobet is such a pain sometimes. (same as above):
EUROBET: 10000 x 0.80$ = 8.000$ ( 15$ pot; they charge 0.80$ at 10$ pot already!! )
EUROBET: 10000 x 2.00$ = 20.000$ ( 25$ )
EUROBET: 10000 x 2.00$ = 20.000$ ( 35$ )
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EUROBET: 48.000$
(6-handed table = 8.000$ / player). remember those 3.333$ at stars?
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| Posted by: gumica at February 23, 2006, 6:20 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | my opinion:
reload or huge signup bonuses are necessary for small or average sites, but not necessary for huge sites.
huge sites need very good customer support and something else for keeping players, which is not necessary for small sites which are offering good bonuses.
let's take a look at 'something else' - compare absolute and stars:
absolute is oriented mainly on occasional players (whores and rookies) and they give back a lot. stars is oriented on good players (that play a lot more) and which know that catch is not in bonus, but in small rake.
here's an example how much is paid in rake:
30000 raked (when flop seen) hands per month (1000 / day) at 2/4 fixed limit.
1/3 folded after flop - let say average 15$
1/3 average pot 25$
1/3 average pot 35$
vs STARS:
ABSOLUTE: 10000 x 0.75$ = 7.500$ ( 15$ ) STARS: 10000 x 0.00$ = 0$
ABSOLUTE: 10000 x 1.25$ = 12.500$ ( ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 23, 2006, 8:06 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | shabik wrote: Still, great software? What is great about it? Its ugly, the buttons often are really slow and you cant change the window size.
Do you work for Party poker by any chance?
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| Posted by: GregMiller at February 23, 2006, 12:52 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | cefis21 wrote: Couple things to say. Absolutely no way does Pokers Stars have more MONEY players than Party at the rings, tourneys-yes. Just take a look at anytime between the two.
They probably make less money per player hour on tournaments than on limit cash games, but that's beside the point. They're suddenly drawing way more traffic than they used to and you're suggesting they should switch back to their old marketing approach.
cefis21 wrote: If the VIP promotion is working for Stars, then good for them and the players. Last time I checked, this is being posted on the Bonus Whores Forum. So I metioned at the start that I think that Stars would grab alot of players from Party with bi-monthly reloads. Can one person say they wouldnt get more players from Party with how bad its being run?
Based on the results they're getting from their marketing spend right now, I'd say that's it's not in their best interest to switch back to reloads. They probably wouldn't ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at February 22, 2006, 8:44 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | | The competition there is so tight I'm sure you won't miss much not whoreing there.I have seen some nasty .25/.50 players there,and their tourneys have trained some of the best experts out there.One guy who I play with periodically went from a total moron to reasonably competent after taking his lessons there and even placing 6th in an 80 person tourney. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: cefis21 at February 22, 2006, 12:30 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | | Couple things to say. Absolutely no way does Pokers Stars have more MONEY players than Party at the rings, tourneys-yes. Just take a look at anytime between the two. Yes Pokers Stars has by far better software and support. I personally think that Party Poker support is the worst! I've told them many times how bad they were(during scratch off, touchdown, reloads and IGM Pay promotions) and told them to get their act together or they will start losing business. It really upset me the fact I'm a Gold member and dont get reloads, when the turds I work with who dont even hardly play get offered reloads. They lost mine business last month. If the VIP promotion is working for Stars, then good for them and the players. Last time I checked, this is being posted on the Bonus Whores Forum. So I metioned at the start that I think that Stars would grab alot of players from Party with bi-monthly reloads. Can one person say they wouldnt get more players from Party with how bad its being run? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: shabik at February 22, 2006, 11:20 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | ajk123 wrote: you're probably not going to find too many people that will hate on pokerstars. they just don't give any reason to. their software is flawless, their customer service is top notch and they treat everyone (even the bonuswhores) with respect. the games are quite good there, too.
i wish they would give out more reloads, but when/if my game ever gets to the point where i don't need the bonuses anymore (i would guess 15/30+), guess where i'll be playing poker?
No, no and no.
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| Posted by: lonestar at February 22, 2006, 11:13 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | AlexMR wrote: maybe PokerStars dont give many bonus (and have an awful clearence when they do)
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| Posted by: AlexMR at February 22, 2006, 11:09 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | maybe PokerStars dont give many bonus (and have an awful clearence when they do) because they are making too much money without giving any. Stars is now the biggest online poker room, above party. The site is growing like there is no competition. I, as a bonuswhore, dont play there.
As for someone whosaid that he would play there when he gets to 15/30 LMHE, I think it'd be better if you find a decent RakeBack deal. Playing those stakes and breaking even could represent a very nice income if you have a good RB deal. Of course it s better if you do 1BB/100hands.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Baseballer02 at February 22, 2006, 12:40 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | elric wrote: Baseballer02 wrote: Wow, just wow. Thank god for bonuses, eh? Take out $50 of your bonus profits and buy a book. Not saying to be an ass, but to help you out.
You still busted there BB
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| Posted by: elric at February 22, 2006, 12:08 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | Baseballer02 wrote: Wow, just wow. Thank god for bonuses, eh? Take out $50 of your bonus profits and buy a book. Not saying to be an ass, but to help you out.
You still busted there BB?
Books, smooks... I am quite certain TV poker is the fastest way to learn how to play!
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| Posted by: Baseballer02 at February 21, 2006, 9:56 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | dieharder wrote: I find the games on Star to be somewhat tougher than those on Party. When clearing a Party bonus, I can manage usually only down about %10 to %20 of the bonus playing, or even break even, but on Stars I tend to be down %50 of the bonus in playing.
Wow, just wow. Thank god for bonuses, eh? Take out $50 of your bonus profits and buy a book. Not saying to be an ass, but to help you out. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dieharder at February 21, 2006, 9:27 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I find the games on Star to be somewhat tougher than those on Party. When clearing a Party bonus, I can manage usually only down about %10 to %20 of the bonus playing, or even break even, but on Stars I tend to be down %50 of the bonus in playing. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 21, 2006, 4:06 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | cefis21 wrote: Yea, 93k with the money players and the free tables. I'd say about 1/8 are real money players and the others turds are playing the free tables and the freerolls. All I'm saying is that they'd do more business with reloads. Are they hurting? No.
I'm not gonna sit and argue fractions with you, but I think 1/8 is a lot on the low side.
Pokerstars is the best online poker site hands down. It's where I first started and was able to play .01/.02. Most other sites don't even have stakes like that. No bugs or annoyances and good customer service. Not to mention, they don't have gambling links on their site. It really bothered me when party added the whole side bet thing and also the blackjack. People like to argue that poker is not gambling and I agree, but when you start throwing stuff like blackjack and sidebets on your site it makes that argument lose a little bit of its gusto. And I just don't want to have to look at it because I consider myself a poker player, not a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bryan2137 at February 21, 2006, 12:53 pm | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | | for me, stars is one of my must play sites. Its like party, I have such a long list of friends on both sites that i have a couple of the softest tables i can find on each site running almost all of the time, the VIP program they offer is great little extras as well. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BigPoppa at February 21, 2006, 11:49 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | EZ wrote: they treat every player with respect because they are keeping 100% of the rake....lol. anyone else do this??
Stars rakes consistently less at almost every level than Party, Absolute, Pokerroom, or any other network with lots of bonuses.
Prima is the only major network that comes close.
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| Posted by: Marc at February 21, 2006, 10:42 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
Stars didn't have a bonus in February last year, then March came around and there it was. If April 1 comes and they don't offer a bonus, THEN maybe I'll lament the end of an era.
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| Posted by: TheFakeG at February 21, 2006, 9:51 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | | Hachem may not have qualified at Stars, but he did amass over 120K in FPP in the past couple of years prior to winning the WSOP, so it ain't like he's a newbie to that site, either. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AJ at February 21, 2006, 8:52 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | EZ wrote: they treat every player with respect because they are keeping 100% of the rake....lol. anyone else do this??
i do think party has more real money players. but stars has blazed by them in the total online players. and stars marketing team is putting party to shame. 1 more WSOP champ and stars will be the big chief.
You know that last year's winner didn't qualify at Stars, right? Of course, it was smart marketing to sign him up as a spokesperson. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: EZ at February 21, 2006, 6:21 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | they treat every player with respect because they are keeping 100% of the rake....lol. anyone else do this??
i do think party has more real money players. but stars has blazed by them in the total online players. and stars marketing team is putting party to shame. 1 more WSOP champ and stars will be the big chief. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ajk123 at February 21, 2006, 6:13 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | you're probably not going to find too many people that will hate on pokerstars. they just don't give any reason to. their software is flawless, their customer service is top notch and they treat everyone (even the bonuswhores) with respect. the games are quite good there, too.
i wish they would give out more reloads, but when/if my game ever gets to the point where i don't need the bonuses anymore (i would guess 15/30+), guess where i'll be playing poker? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Baseballer02 at February 21, 2006, 3:17 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | cefis21 wrote: Yea, 93k with the money players and the free tables. I'd say about 1/8 are real money players and the others turds are playing the free tables and the freerolls. All I'm saying is that they'd do more business with reloads. Are they hurting? No.
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| Posted by: cefis21 at February 21, 2006, 3:03 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | | Yea, 93k with the money players and the free tables. I'd say about 1/8 are real money players and the others turds are playing the free tables and the freerolls. All I'm saying is that they'd do more business with reloads. Are they hurting? No. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: GregMiller at February 21, 2006, 3:01 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | As much as I hate to say it, the VIP thing seems to be working a lot better than bonuses for Stars. They've been growing very, very quickly all year.
Whoever ends up buying them will likely end up paying a hefty price. Congrats to that family that owns the company.
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| Posted by: warsaw at February 21, 2006, 2:23 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | I would love to see bonuses there, but they are prolly one of those sites which will do good without. I think they will maybe put a couple occasionally - maybe when starting sats to WSOP. As for this sats, they were always starting them later that other sites, and still qualifies more people than others. 93k last evening? Well, Party had 73k or so...
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| Posted by: cefis21 at February 21, 2006, 12:29 am | | Topic: Poker Stars lost it's touch? Forum: Bonus Whores | | Didn't Poker Stars already have quite a few people qualified for the WSOP last year by now? They haven't even started the Sat's yet. Another thing I'll never understand about Poker Stars, is that they don't give reloads more often. Do sites really lose that much money though reloads? I would think that it would create alot more business for the site. So their giving VIP points. Big whoopie deal. I dont see the attraction. I was read here at BW about someone 1/4 of the way to earning enough VIP points for a 20" T.V. I figure they should have their T.V. by early June. Screw that. I've whored enough for the T.V. in just Feb. alone. Poker Stars should give bi-monthly bonuses if they wany to compete and get some of the traffic from Party. Is that the concept of business? | | Static Link |
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