| Posted by: zrapture at June 8, 2001, 7:09 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Fairplay casino uses gambling software provided by Microgaming. Fairplay pays a large sum up front to license the software and the also pay royalty fees continously.
When you play at a Microgaming casino it all goes through Microgamings servers, meaning that Microgaming has the power to shut down any casino running their software.
What people are saying is that Microgaming is not acting properly in letting Fairplay casino continue to let players play knowing that the casino cannot pay the customers.
Microgaming knows that one of their associates (licensees) is committing a crime and they are not doing anything to stop it, and they are still in business with them!
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| Posted by: rachelfreeny at June 8, 2001, 6:41 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Dave R.,
I still do not understand the relationship between Microgaming and Fairplay. Is this similar to the relationship between Microsoft and an accounting firm which uses Excel spreadsheets to swindle its clients? The firm I work for uses Corel software. We are licensed to use it. Would you hold Corel responsible for my client's losses if our firm was doing something illegal?
Please tell me if I have misunderstood this relationship. Thanks,
Rachel
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| Posted by: Dave R at June 7, 2001, 5:20 pm | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
You make a good point, Mr. Wolf. I agree with you and Spearmaster that honest licensees will suffer. This is unfortunate.
But you can't keep a good man down.
Reputable Microgaming licensees will continue to SURVIVE despite any boycott. They may lose a lot of business, but they'll survive. Give a customer excellent customer service, fast payouts, and a good loyalty program and it is a recipe for success.
Despite ANY boycott.
The whole point of the boycott is to make a major impact on Microgaming's overall profitability. Remember Microgaming has made a business decision to KNOWINGLY LICENSE THIER SOFTWARE TO OUTRIGHT THIEVES. All they care about is thier profits. You know the saying -- the love of money is the root of all evil. This is a perfect example. Microgaming has no morals and no ethics.
They don't care how many players are ripped off. All they care about is the $$$.
They don't care whose lives are destroyed along the way.
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| Posted by: MrWolf at June 7, 2001, 1:45 pm | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dave R:
Even if the software isn't rigged at all, I still recommend boycotting all Microgaming casinos.
Tropika casinos are refusing to pay legit winners, YET THEY ARE STILL ACCEPTING WAGERS.
Microgaming has the power to
SHUT TROPIKA DOWN!
YET Microgaming refuses to do so.
[This message has been edited by Dave R (edited 06-07-2001).]
While I agree strong action needs to be taken against Tropika, including Microgaming stepping in and shutting them down, a blanket Microgaming ban is completely wrong and unfair.
Such action would harm the well-run and honest operations like Ladbrokes, Golden Riviera or King Solomons, which have nothing to do with Tropika's operations and whose only crime is to share the same software.
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| Posted by: Dave R at June 7, 2001, 12:15 pm | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Even if the software isn't rigged at all, I still recommend boycotting all Microgaming casinos.
Tropika casinos are refusing to pay legit winners, YET THEY ARE STILL ACCEPTING WAGERS.
Microgaming has the power to
SHUT TROPIKA DOWN!
YET Microgaming refuses to do so.
Any software company that knowingly allows crooks to run thier software SHOULD BE BOYCOTTED. It says more about Microgaming's credibility than anything else I've said in the past. Microgaming could care less how many players get screwed as long as they get the royalty fees every month.
If Dean from Microgaming wants to come to this forum and defend himself, he is more than welcome. But I have emailed 5 different reps including the Vice President, and haven't gotten even 1 email response.
I strongly URGE everyone here to email PwC,
since they have 3 of thier banners on Fairplay casino, a casino that hasn't paid winners since Dec of last year. PwC has promised not to allow its good n... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: rachelfreeny at June 7, 2001, 11:05 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
I have been wondering for months what the software has to do with whether the casino pays its winners or not. Is there any way that someone can explain this to me?
For instance, I play regularly at casinos which use Microgaming software (I like the software), and I have always been paid for my winnings (I had some pretty big wins). But Fairplay casino also uses Microgaming software and they are one of the blacklisted Tropika casinos. What does this mean? I should not play at Microgaming casinos since Fairplay is not paying?
Please forgive my ignorance. I know some of you seem to think that the Microgaming software is rigged to not allow large wins, but this has not been my experience at all.
Rachel
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| Posted by: MrWolf at June 7, 2001, 10:42 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by prosperity9035:
What about the Microgamming casinos that didn't pay out their players?
Jetset and Mary help me out here. Wasn't it Tropi - something????
Prosperity - I'm specifically talking about Ladbrokes' honesty regarding payment. The fact that they're using Microgaming software is completely irrelevant.
Ladbrokes as a company has been going for decades, has paid out tens of millions of pounds to punters, takes bets on a wide range of things, and isn't about to disappear just because someone's cashed-in $50 (just an aside - I've played twice here with the option of using my native sterling currency. My winnings were paid to my credit card along with the original deposit in a matter of days).
Ladbrokes, as well as William Hill and Stanley Acropolis are used to paying out winnings in the thousands. Just last month William Hill paid out £500,000 to a British bettor who staked 30p on a 15-result accumulator.
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| Posted by: prosperity9035 at June 7, 2001, 5:12 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by MrWolf:
I'd point out that three of the most reputable online casinos - William Hill (cryptologic), Ladbrokes (microgaming) and Stanley Acropolis (proprietary software) - are also three of the most honest, where you're guaranteed to be paid like you would in a bricks and mortar casino. They're all owned by companies already long-established in the gambling industry here in the UK, so they'd be a good port of call for anyone worried about a casino's honesty. Oh yeah, and being non-American, I guess they'd count as foreigners but you can't have everything! LOL
What about the Microgamming casinos that didn't pay out their players?
Jetset and Mary help me out here. Wasn't it Tropi - something????
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| Posted by: MrWolf at June 6, 2001, 10:51 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by rachelfreeny:
Mr. Wolf, I too was a little dismayed by Wilhelm's distrust of foreigners. I hope that he means his distrust of casinos which are not regulated by U.S. laws. If so, he has a point, because in our local American casinos it is rare to win and not get paid. Rachel
Rachel - the comments I took umbrage over were sweeping generalisations (on more than one occasion) about "foreigners."
It's a similar position here in England regarding payment from land-based casinos ie you will get paid if you win fairly.
It would be great if the US decided to regulate the online gambling industry. Until such time as it does, I'd point out that three of the most reputable online casinos - William Hill (cryptologic), Ladbrokes (microgaming) and Stanley Acropolis (proprietary software) - are also three of the most honest, where you're guaranteed to be paid like you would in a bricks and mortar casino. They're all owned by companies already long-esta... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DaiLun at June 6, 2001, 10:35 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Out of the 4 casinos that I call my favorites, I still receive monthly bonus promotions from them.
They all offer between 20% and 40% of purchases up to $1000.00 (between $200.00 and $400.00 free) and require 2x to 4x play.
I have always been paid on time, and never been "stiffed" by these casinos.
Still, there is a little devil in the back of my mind that warns me that this could be a "Ponzi scheme".
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| Posted by: rachelfreeny at June 6, 2001, 10:26 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Wilhelm answered a question that I was about to post, that question being "does anyone get bonuses from their existing casino accounts any more?"
I have three or four casinos at which I play regularly. I have had big wins and big losses, but I am dismayed to find that the regular promotions these casinos used to offer have disappeared from my mailbox. I no longer feel like a alued regular customer. It's ery tempting to just download a new casino with a bonus every time I want to play.
I also appreciate TEDM's comment that the obscure on-line casinos with no reputation (good or bad) will be forced to offer better bonuses when the big B&M guys go on line. That's an intriguing idea, but I think I would rather gamble at Harrah's with no bonus than go to a casino with no reputation and get a bonus.
Has anyone addressed the issue of comps for when the big guys go on line? If my on-line play was going into my Harrah's Total Rewards account, I would probably qualify for ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tedm at June 4, 2001, 2:20 pm | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
I totally agree with you, PlayTheRush about the article. At least when you win at a land-based casino you know you will get paid.
Perhaps these bonuses will function as a sort of risk premium where lesser-known online casinos will have to offer higher bonuses to lure new customers.
Actually, I think that we are already seeing a great deal of that.
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| Posted by: MrWolf at June 4, 2001, 11:22 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Wilhelm:
I had been receiving email offers since late 1999 but my distrust of foreigners caused me to wait few months before I finally decided to give it a chance.
[This message has been edited by Wilhelm (edited 06-03-2001).]
Wilhelm - this is the third time you've spouted xenophobic rubbish in your posts and I for one am quite sick and tired by your American holier than thou attitude. You state in all three threads that I've seen that foreigners are dishonest or are unfit for particular jobs (in relation to Microgaming and casinos' customer support) while seemingly implying Americans are beyond reproach.
Now, I know this is quite rare for a Californian, but I'm going to ask you to stop and think for a moment since the good old US of A isn't quite the irtuous haven that you apparently imagine.
American history is littered with dishonesty, starting with the theft of land from the indigenous Indians (still, it's good to see they're finally gett... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Playtherush at June 4, 2001, 7:10 am | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by tedm:
Good article at onlinecasino.com comparing the relative merits of land-based and online casinos. Of note is the part about comps and comparing the on-line situation to Vegas in the early 70s.
The article is incredibly biased towards online gambling. No mention of late and no pay. No mention of the incredible amount of hassles that are SOP when playing online.
He keeps on talking about winning as if any idiot can just get on his PC and rake in money.
The article had promise in its intro but delivered nothing of substance.
Playtherush
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| Posted by: Jetset at June 3, 2001, 10:58 pm | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
A lot of casino managements have been burned by not getting their bonus sums right, and the disputes which so often arise over bonuses make many operators feel that they are generating more harm than good with their clientele.
Many of the sub-standard operators still try to wriggle out of bad bonus situations by questionable tactics reminiscent of the bad old Golden Palace days, and that doesn't help.
I think tedm is right - a balance is evolving which could well see more casinos deploying a mix of handouts, competitions and loyalty programs.
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| Posted by: tedm at June 3, 2001, 9:41 pm | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
Good article at onlinecasino.com comparing the relative merits of land-based and online casinos. Of note is the part about comps and comparing the on-line situation to Vegas in the early 70s.
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| Posted by: tedm at June 3, 2001, 6:17 pm | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
These are all excellent points.
I don't think that anyone who has gambled online for any length of time has not noticed these shifts.
The million dollar question is that there will come an equilibrium point (believe it or not) where casinos will be satisfied to offer certain bonuses and the mass of the gaming public will be content with these bonuses.
Excess bonuses will result in lost profit for the casinos and reduced bonuses will result in lost players.
Obviously we have not yet reached that equilibrium as bonuses keep being revised downwards.
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| Posted by: Wilhelm at June 3, 2001, 2:31 pm | | Topic: 2001: The Year The Bonus Died Forum: Winner Online |
I feel extremely fortunate to have started gambling online back in early 2000 when bonuses were plenty and easy to come by. Here is a history of the evolution of the online bonus during my time:
I opened my first online casino account back in March 2000 and I did it PRECISELY to take advantage of a bonus offer. I had been receiving email offers since late 1999 but my distrust of foreigners caused me to wait few months before I finally decided to give it a chance.
The new guys will have trouble believing this but it was a whole different world around here back then. There were SO MANY BONUSES around that no matter how many offers I used in each day there were still more left at the end of the day. I not only received a new player bonus from each casino but most of them offered generous existing player bonuses EVERY SINGLE WEEK.
But the bonus was evolving fast. During my early days some bonuses had NO TERMS OR CONDITIONS!!!!! On more than one occasion I cashed in a $100 bonus af... | | Read Entire Entry |
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