| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 22, 2001, 7:56 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
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1.A tremendous percentage of current crop will go away.
2.The proliferation of front end bonuses will slowly die in lieu of loyalty comps (as on land).
3.The need for portals will slowly die.
4.The need for gambling message boards (especially concerning problem sites) will
slowly die.
1. Highly likely.
2. I actually believe this will happen well before the Vegas casinos arrive on the scene, but of course I could be wrong.
3. As far as North Americans are concerned, maybe. But in reality even well-known establishments will continue to advertise - McDonalds, Coke and Nike didn't stop when they became famous.
As far as overseas is concerned, particularly where they don't speak English, I don't believe this to be true.
4. Maybe. Not all message boards are about "problems" - often times they are for plain old chat, perhaps exchange of experiences, strategies, etc.
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| Posted by: slotski at July 22, 2001, 6:34 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
The basic problem is that most people who gamble online have gambled on land before. They are not used to having to be concerned about getting their money when they win, therefore they initially assume innocently that they will online also.
If they realize what they really need to do to be sure they wont get screwed, many will opt to not play online. Many will say it is just too much trouble and/or too risky.
The key to this IMO is stick to casinos which are tied to large B&M ones for the time being. Even though there are others which have good reps today, that might not be the case tommorow (as we have seen already), while the ones which are owned by B&M casinos are probably as solid as their parent companies.
If you assume this is best way to go, the question is how to point players to these type sites. I see no answer to this question, as they are bombarded with casino ads from close to 2000 sites.
The long term solution is the arrival of the really BIG BOYS (M... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 22, 2001, 1:19 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Don't forget WinnerOnline!
CasinoMeister, Casino-Help, some others as well.
I don't pretend to be the busiest or most informative portal on the Net - far from it - but I try to provide the information that the players want.
Unfortunately, as has been said before, message boards, and some portals, may not even account for more than 1% of online gamblers. We simply cannot reach everyone.
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| Posted by: Jetset at July 22, 2001, 12:56 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Back to the topic, guys!
In an ideal world all sorts of industry people including portals and trade groups would take responsibility for communicating the dangers and joys of online gaming to the players. Even the casinos themselves - the good ones anyway!
But Mary's point about there being ast differences in the quality and integrity of different portals (and casinos) is well made. Although there are portals like Got2Bets which make a responsible and ongoing effort to inform the newbie it seems to me that too few newbie's take a cautious look around before they jump in - usually straight into real money gambling after a few free games, and regrettably too often at a bum casino. As 38 observes, that must chase many of them away from online gambling.
The problem is getting to the prospective online gambler BEFORE he gets burned, even if only to encourage him or her to do their homework carefully before getting into internet gambling. If one could do that, and make that homework... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 38Special at July 21, 2001, 3:35 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Yes, some of them were directed at you in the past in response to the tone in which you replied to my opinions and only then did I retaliate. In hine site I am disappointed in myself that I allowed you to control my emotions to that degree and apologize for that. However, For some reason unbeknownst me, you are a confrontational type person. I think it is sad that you are having a problem agreeing with a simple opinion, not directed at you, that ALL portal owners have a responsibility to help new players. In as much as I beleive you do agree, for some reason instead of a positive repsonse from you, a portal owner, it got personal again. Hell, what I advocate is good for portal owners not bad. You could simply agreed and asked what do the readers feel we could do to enhance and attract more new players to the portals prior to signing up anywhere. Instead, you gotta turn it into something else of a personal nature and destroy any benefits that could come from a discussion on the matter.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 21, 2001, 1:52 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
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. I think those of us who could be considered eterans online gaming and more importantly portal owners, have an obligation to inform and educate the new player of the traps that are out there.
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I cannot speak for all of them, but if you were to take the time to read (there's that word again) the arious articles as well as the newsletters on my site, you would see that we DO make an attempt to inform people about things. There's a whole series on "Making the Jump from land-based to online casinos" which actually has three parts dedicated to a Bonus Tour.
Let me get this straight.
I am not a portal owner?
I am not supposed to respond to your general comment? Did I say I cannot speak for all of the portals?
You mean to say that none of your comments anywhere in the past were directed at me, or even thinly-veiled?
My apologies if this is so - but I highly doubt it.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at July 21, 2001, 1:26 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
facist? I think you mean to type "facet".
Just didn't want to get us off on another tangent...
I don't know what percentage of portals are good portals and what percentage of portals are shill sites. Take a look at casinoprophet.com if you want to see a portal that has a mixed personality--reliable sites and *ewww* iglobalmedia ripoffs like Goldkey. On the same list.
I do think the whole turnkey/affiliate system favors the spawning of many, many lame portals, just as it favors bad casinos, since there is no out-of-pocket cost to the casino operator
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| Posted by: 38Special at July 21, 2001, 1:15 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Why do take things as being against YOU. The posts simply refer to all portals and a general obligation to inform and eduacate players as to the pitfalls. Man you are so defensive and once again, you have succeeded in reducing what could have been an interesting and informative thread into a nothing more an outlet for your confrontational personality. I've seen you do this repeatedly time and time again. You seem to want present yourself as an objective, knowledgeable and concerned entity, yet the lion's share of your replies avoid a straight up answer and are not objective and well thought out. Your imput is almost always in the form of a personal attack on someone unless their opinion is similar to yours. You profess this great understanding of the industry, that in your opinion, exceeds the rest of us that are tryin to learn from each others experiences. About the only time your written word is of a civilized tone is inreponse to Mary, Jet or in reply to something you agree with. Now I'm not the brig... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 21, 2001, 12:23 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I think you place too much of a burden on eteran gamers. Portals, by the way, differ greatly in the type of information they present.
I cannot speak for all of them, but if you were to take the time to read (there's that word again) the arious articles as well as the newsletters on my site, you would see that we DO make an attempt to inform people about things. There's a whole series on "Making the Jump from land-based to online casinos" which actually has three parts dedicated to a Bonus Tour.
Another on "10 tips for earning a bonus while keeping the casinos happy". And yet another on "Online casinos - are they honest?". And yet still another on "A fine line between entertainment and addiction" - and there are about 20 more that were written for another site.
If that is not trying to meet your obligation to the players, I don't know what IS.
So excuse me if I think you're out of line.
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| Posted by: 38Special at July 21, 2001, 12:14 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
The majority of the money spent on line gambling comes from a majority of casual users just looking for a fun experience with a fair chance to win. The high rollers are few and far between on line.
I wanted to see who would take the time to thoroughly and objectivly research this bonus and how they would respond. From the perspective of the average unsuspecting on line player or from the opposite.
I don't worry much about the people who post on this board. You all know the score when you enter Lion's Den. I am ery concerned about the new player coming in since that will determine the longevity, the quality and ultimately the TRUST and fairness of the industry itself. I would think that there are many new players that read this and other boards but do not post. I think those of us who could be considered eterans online gaming and more importantly portal owners, have an obligation to inform and educate the new player of the traps that are out there. As many of you, I was baptized by fire in this.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at July 20, 2001, 8:18 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
38,
I hear you. And I don't like the bonus structure, so I don't play any of them except Grand Hotel (for some reason I still play there, but I'm not sure why).
I think what others are saying is "If you don't like it, DON'T COME BACK". At this point, the cost/benefit ratio must be pretty high, or they would make changes. People are still depositing, so they have had no reason to modify their promotion structure.
I, too, prefer a Xdeposit type bonus, when I use them. So, at this point, your argument is falling on deaf ears...lol
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| Posted by: 38Special at July 20, 2001, 5:00 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I give, you will see what you want to see and completely miss the point. Sure if it all goes well and you zip right up to a 33% profit, it works just fine! Always goes like that right? Especially with small bankrolls. For those of us who don't always have winning sessions, you may find the information I am trying to provide you with of some alue. Just understand going into this bonus structure that there is no middle ground on this one,{doesn't make it bad,it does mean that at some point you will most likely have to take higher risks with your betting or you WILL loose. If you truly understand the rules on this, it might not be what you are looking for} You cannot get out even and there is no chance of winning just the bonus regardless of how many times you wager thru. At NO point, at any time, with any formula, under any circumstances can you just cash your initial deposit in and call it even. I made it 2 out of the four that I have. I was ery lucky in both cases that I was able to hit the mark. In bot... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 38Special at July 20, 2001, 2:08 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I got the impression from your 5xs comment on previous reply that you were assumming a 5x on this group. Thats all there is to that part of your reply.
As for the rest, I completely disagree that these terms are fair to the player, particularly a new player, assumming he even knows that there's more to the story than just the great sounding stuff on the first page.
I not sure your grasping my message here. There are a couple of things that I feel are Important.
1} This site gives the outward appearance on the promo page that this is it. This will fool some people. It is an exception to what most people expect. Misleading
2} The written portion of this says..
BONUS WITH FIRST PURCHASE :To cash in your sign up bonus you must have in your account at least the original amount purchased plus double the bonus EXAMPLE $50 initial plus = $50 Bonus. Cash-in will only be possible for winnings of at least $150. If a cash-in is requested for less than the initial purchase + double the bonu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 20, 2001, 12:25 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
What in the WORLD are you talking about?
NO one said that these casinos are 5x. I am pointing out the difference between bonus conditions. At these casinos you simply win 1x deposit and cash out.
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Now - as far as I am concerned that is pretty clear. Nothing else is stated on the same page, and they cannot require anything more than asking you to cash out an amount as described above.
All I am trying to point out to you is that arious casinos have arious terms and conditions for earning a bonus. I could care less what the conditions are as long as they are stated UP FRONT.
When you sign up there is ALWAYS a isible link to Terms and Conditions, which takes you directly to what I just posted.
Now you tell ME who's confused...
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| Posted by: 38Special at July 20, 2001, 12:17 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Sorry guys, but I had to set you up to make the point. Part of which is, The bad shxt is on a different page. If it fooled you and you assummed it to be 5xs like over at Fortune Lounge, you HAVE JUST BEEN DECEIVED!!
Now go to the page you copied and click on the terms and condition to the left. Get your magnifying glass out or move monitor close to your face!
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 20, 2001, 10:37 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
From Royal Plaza:
[code]Purchase Bonus Cashin
$70 + $70 $140 + Purchase[/code]
Just like on the other sites.
Now - as far as I am concerned that is pretty clear. Nothing else is stated on the same page, and they cannot require anything more than asking you to cash out an amount as described above.
I don't see anything wrong with this at all. I don't see anything wrong with 5x(D+B) either - as long as they say so up front.
BTW, I should take my own advice of READing before REPLYing... but in my defense I *did* read that.
If you wouldn't mind using paragraphs, I would most appreciate it LOL. I see block text like that and I basically lose concentration.
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| Posted by: 38Special at July 20, 2001, 9:42 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Is it me?? Am I loosin my mind or are you guys not reading carefully?? I did name them. All of them!! LOL What you just described, doesn't sound like the one I am referring too. I describe it above in detail. Also, that may be your gambling style and that's ok, however, I do this to win overall, all the time. I don't go in with the win it all, loose it all frame of mind. Your gonna loose in the long run that way. Just depends on what you want out of the gaming experience. So I'll often stop with a small win or a small loss if I'm not making the progress I should for the time I'm putting In. Go somewhere else and come back to that one another day. Good point in any event though, for the all or nothing guy like yourself, it wouldn't matter as much. Either way, it needs to be much clearer so that people really and truly know what they are signing on for.
Then go to Floridita, Colleseum, Samuri, Grand Hotel, Grand Ole Opry might be some more, you tell me! You can read all of them except Royal Plaza... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 20, 2001, 8:40 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
If you don't want to name them here, send me an email. I just don't have the time to go scouring websites for bonus offers.
However, the offer itself does not look that bad to me, if you should choose to accept it.
No minimum wagering requirements other than you must turn a profit of 50% on the total sum, or 100% on the amount of the deposit. If you don't reach it right away, I believe you have 7 days.
After all, we ARE in this to make a profit if we gamble online. My own standard when I play is to make 100% profit on my deposit or lose it anyhow - so that system is just fine by me.
I do NOT like 5x requirements. 2x is acceptable, 3x is debatable, 4x and above I generally try not to play.
But that decision is up to you.
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| Posted by: 38Special at July 20, 2001, 6:56 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Sorry Mary, better read Again!!LOL Thanks though, your makin my case.
If you deposit 50.00 and accept the 50.00 match, you cannot cash anything out for less than 150.00. Exactly 331/3% profit on the initial bankroll of 100.00. 70.00 deal is 210.00 to cash out. The problem is that there is not a wager thru. If they would add that feature, then it would be fine. The point here is that you could play hard, put all of it substancially and fairly at risk, pick a number any number, doesn't matter. say 50,000 in wagers over a years time. You could have made subsequent deposits of 20,000 dollars and lost it all down to 149.00 left in your account and guess what?? You cannot cash out the 149.00 or any part of it! That's the problem. Course I'll bet you could get an exception if you lost 20k! Just exaggerating to make a point. I have had many times where I fought off and on for days, up, down, up, down just tryin to to make 300.00 on a 1000.00. After a while, if I'm spinning my wheels ,I just like to cash out... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The Original Mary at July 20, 2001, 2:17 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Actually, 38, I think it's a great bonus system. Mathematically it works out to 20% over time just fine. If you pop up the 20% over your deposit, you can quit at any time instead of watching your money get ground away by play-through requirements.
It's easy to figure out if you've met the requirements, and it's easy for the CSR's to figure too. You don't have to email for the bonus, just deposit and play at the right time and it appears in your account as promised. No coupon codes. No calling support to find out if you've wagered enough.
I htink it's great and I don't see how they can last this long giving away this much money almost every weekend.
OK, I do know how they do it, they have Power Play Poker, the invention of the Prince of Darkness, the most addictive game I have yet to encounter.
{Note:who abducted Mary and replaced her with a drooling spammer? Stay tuned for the answer to this and the suspensful revelations of more plans to take over Earth's gamblers ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 38Special at July 20, 2001, 1:47 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I didn't want to name names cause like I said I think they are pretty good group. From payout standpoint they have been timely and efficient. Their bonus program is just too deceptive. I understand their goal of stuffing the bonus abuser, but they are stuffing the honest player in the process. Not to mention how it is effecting a newcomer. I wanted to say that before I name them. Royal, I asked you about this in another post. Go to the website and read the terms. If you can. They cannot be read on my system and it's an upper end computer system. This is the one I learned the lesson on!! Then go to Floridita, Colleseum, Samuri, Grand Hotel, Grand Ole Opry might be some more, you tell me! You can read all of them except Royal Plaza. By the way I have suggested they revise the bonus structure, they did say it was a pretty frequent topic of discussion, but no decisions have been made. I sense they are genuinely cautious, but you know something, that supports my feeling that they are honest! If they weren't,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 19, 2001, 11:34 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
38 -
I'm not ducking the issue. Proc Cyber handles about 30 casinos by my latest guess and it is impossible to ascertain who you are talking about without me going to each casino and reading the T&C - and I'm not about to do that.
So spill the beans if you like, so we can get on with the discussion.
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at July 19, 2001, 9:32 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
38,
Mary is right that political pressure has a direct bearing on this CC situation. Last year when MC first started the casinos moving, it was as a direct result of the Justice Dept. putting pressure on countries were banks were suspected of money laundering. Of course, ostensibly, the JD was looking for drug money etc., but at the time, the Kyl Bill was still a big concern as well. G7 was influenced to go along with this whole program.
A few casinos were banking with the Bank of Nevis when their funds were frozen, and the casinos checks were bouncing all over the place. Colosseum and that group for one. ProCyber had to re-issue checks because of this.
As for the friction between players and casinos, I believe a large part of the problem is the fact that casinos always reserve the right to make final decisions on disputes, without entering into further discussion. This arbitrary practice is a ery sore spot when a plater feels they have been wronged. It doesn't help that casin... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 38Special at July 19, 2001, 4:12 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Ah, you know which casinos I am talking about and so does everyone else. See you're ducking the issue again. That's why I am trying to tie you down to a specific thing to eliminate the artful dodger in you! I would like to see how you honestly feel about this bonus set up. This will help me make some decisions.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 19, 2001, 1:36 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Proc Cyber, being only a transactions processor, would not be the ones determining the bonus structure of a particular casino. You must be referring to one particular group which happens to use Proc Cyber.
Regarding the portals trying to highlight conditions, it's actually something I started out to do - but changes were so fast and furious that the task became futile.
One message board has a system of rating the "cushion" of a bonus deal, which seems to be useful to their members. The trouble is, there are still a few elements missing - such as how much a cash-in is going to cost them, and of course how long a payment will take to reach them (reduced liquidity).
Suffice it to say that in all cases, "Buyer Beware!". I, and probably most of the portal operators, just cannot keep up with all the changes. More often than not it's a reader who points out a change...
By the way, those weren't articles. They were "Thoughts of the Week" which on... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 38Special at July 19, 2001, 1:24 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I hadn't read the article and I think it's 100% Ok to stand by a casino in the areas where they are being wronged, so I have no problem there at all. As you know, I am probably the most out spoken on the issue of charging back and have openly stated that 99% of the time, it's a scumbag that doesn't want to take his medicine. There are however a few situations where it is justified. If those were the only times a chargeback was used, there would be no credit card problem today. Lack of proper regulation, be it self imposed or otherwise simply did not happen when online gambling began. Nobody was smart enough to foresee these problems so things are escalating and running rampant. This has all contributed to the legitamacy of the industry as a whole. Certainly, not all Casinos/Servers are altering software, but you won't convince anyone that there are not quite a few that do. Thus the need for the 3rd party again. I'll go with you on the customer satisfaction issue. Impossible to achieve 100%. Won't happen... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The Original Mary at July 19, 2001, 12:56 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
38, I think I'll weigh in on the side of players in this.
Yes, the credit card issuers (in America) are starting to dump offering their services to American gamblers. (It annoys me that my credit card company is telling me how to spend my money. Dare I say it is unAmerican? Anti-capitalistic in any case.)
And, we would tend to think that it may be because of too many gambling releated disputed charges by some consumers.
But it could also be a result of the incompetence of some of the casino industry focused ecash companies. We've seen them double-bill, triple-bill, lose data, really bad ones take part in skims; for all we know, some of these companies have just proven to be too much trouble to work with as well.
There is also political pressure on the credit card companies in Washington DC, California, and Australia to reject these charges. They are a regulated industry and have to be responsive to politicians.
Bear in mind that there is also political pressu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 19, 2001, 11:10 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
In response to #1 - and to some of your earlier comments - following are the thoughts from my last two newsletters.
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It's tough to be a portal operator...
I hope all of you in the US had a great Independence Day - and perhaps many of you took part in the many special promotions that were available during that period.
I want to remind you players out there that Got2Bet is here for you. If you have a problem with any of the casinos on our site, just let me know and I will do whatever I can to help.
We are often subject to abuse from some people who seem to have difficulty understanding why we recommend the casinos that we do - why we will stand up for those casinos who are unfairly targeted - and why we stand firm in our beliefs that both casinos and players must be responsible in their dealings with each other.
I also want to let you casino operators know (yes, I know some of you are out there and read this only because you are afraid I'm going to... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 38Special at July 19, 2001, 10:53 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Croupier/Got2bet
I really wish you guys would respond to the subject matter. These petty jabs don't solve problems or get anything accomplished.
I don't always agree with you guys and I don't always agree with Wilhelm. You guys a in a better position to effect change and make a useful contribution, but it seems to me, that I when I pose tough hard questions, You either don't respond to the issue I ask about or completely change the direction of the thread. Particularly in my opinion when it involves MG or when it would force the the casinos and servers in general to relinquish control, eventhough if they have nothing to hide, this should not be a problem for them. Also on issues of bullshxt, misleading bonus programs that lure the newer player in only to find out the bonus was not what it gave the appearance of. As a player advocates, Please respond to to these things and if Wilhelm wants to eat Donkey meat, respect his right to do that!
Two questions for you guys.
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| Posted by: croupier at July 19, 2001, 3:58 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Wilhelm: If you can prove that MicroGaming is 'selling donkey meat' then I'm sure that Spearmaster, Jetset, myself, and everyone else will back you 100%
However, all you are doing is saying you think that MicroGaming 'tastes like donkey meat'
I think that MicroGaming 'tastes fine' and I will continue to play and promote them. You don't, so I think under these circumstances the quote stands:
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"If you don't like it, then don't come back"
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| Posted by: Wilhelm at July 19, 2001, 2:49 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I second 38special's nomination of Steve and OPA as the international self-regulatory body of the online gambling industry.
The American Bar Association is not a governmental organization but since 99% of attorneys in the U.S. belong to it so it has the power to regulate and police its own membership. I believe it is possible through a coalition of Players, Casinos, Portals, and software makers to create a prive non-governmental but powerful trade group regulatory body that will help our industry grow in a more orderly manner and be fair to all sides.
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| Posted by: 38Special at July 19, 2001, 12:59 am | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I don't want to turn this into a personal attack board either. Opinions are aluable even and perhaps especially when they are different from your own. Also remember that some people are not going to be as well spoken in writng as others and many times written words can infer something entirely different than what the author intended. I can read into what Wilhelm is tryin to say and by the same token when you say, "They tell it like it is, don't come back", I don't beleive that you are advocating that type of service either, although that comment could easily be construed as You think we should walk away, not say or do anything when a legit concern exists. If you are then then you will not be around long either.
Now, back to the subject, The customer is not always right and neither is the casino. Here in lies the problem. The casino is not controlled and not regulated by any uninterested 3 rd. party. This is a HUGE problem for several reasons. Doesn't anyone see this? One will lie and the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at July 18, 2001, 10:30 pm | | Topic: New Visa/MC restrictions/Casinos are worried!/Too many Chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
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When we complain about Microgaming's rigged BJ, Jetset and Got2Bet say "If you don't like it, then don't come back."
You are making an unsubstantiated claim, and then going back for more.
Like going to McDonald's, saying "Your Big Mac tastes like puke" and ordering another one.
Don't be giving me this **** about service and crap about foreign countries. You don't know the first thing about marketing in any country and your racist crap is just appalling.
In the US, as in other countries, the customer may come first, but in the US people call it like it is. They don't hide the bull**** - they tell you to your face, "If you don't like it, don't come back".
You have it totally backwards. Shows how much you know. The chance of you being hired as a consultant is slim and none. I highly doubt you have the requisite real-world experience, unlike some of us who have spent many years doing just that.
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