| Posted by: Dave R at September 1, 2001, 10:07 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Grantt get your facts straight!
At the time when the OPA decided to approve Jetset and Magic Carpet, Tropika had a good track record in the industry and never stiffed a player. Although there were some customer service issues with several players at the middle of '99, right after the hurricane, these issues were eventually resolved. During most of 2000, Tropika substantially improved its customer service,
and earned credibility among players and industry experts alike.
I will quote directly from Bill Haywood's book, "BeatWebCasinos.com", (C)2000 RGE publishing:
One thing in particular they do not want thier brand name associated with is money laundering. David Prue of Tropika says they particulary worry about Russian mobsters who like to set up an eCasino, then lose $100,000 a week to themselves. The dirty money bet by "players" then comes out as honest winnings by the casino. Major software companies [i.e. Microgaming] do not want thier brand besmirche... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jetset at August 31, 2001, 10:16 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
And the questions still remain unanswered and the accusation unproved. I'm through wasting time with you on this grantt, you have again blown your credibility as far as I am concerned.
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| Posted by: grantt at August 31, 2001, 2:38 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
My only point on this matter is that the OPA has endorsed fraudulent casinos in the past. That it's ery unproffesional in my opinion to get paid to endorse sites on a watchdog site. I persoanally don't use the OPA or trust any sites of this nature. End of story.
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| Posted by: Steve Adkins at August 31, 2001, 2:27 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Grantt Said
Jetset Casino has a promotion listed on the OPA site under casino bonuses. Enough said.
Well that was not true. So grantt you are nothing more then a liar.
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| Posted by: Steve Adkins at August 31, 2001, 2:24 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
This is about a stupid subject, but when Grantt is involved what do we expect?
First of all JETSET Casino was not listed on the bonus page of OPA. it was however still listed in the search funtion.
Of course only a stupid s h i t would think that because it was in the search funtion that somehow Brian was doing someting wrong or that the OPA was still endorsing Jetset Casino. They have now been removed from the search feature. .
Grantt, I do hope you get a life.
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| Posted by: fatjoe904 at August 31, 2001, 6:18 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
http://www.bettopdog.com
This is who I use. They seem to be a reseller for another casino but I guess that doesn't matter as long as you receive your money on time and don't have a lot of issues. I have collected twice and received my money fast($3500 and $2000). They also send out gifts(shirts, hats,etc.).
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 31, 2001, 5:49 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Thank you.
I asked OPA to check and they could not find it either. I will search again and have it removed when found - can you send a link to the page?
This is what grantt claimed btw:
"Jetset Casino has a promotion listed on the OPA site under casino bonuses. Enough said." Typical false post.
And I am still awaiting the detail on his accusations against the OPA and its President.
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 30, 2001, 11:41 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Still nothing to say, grantt?
You are obviously only good for false accusations and generally ignorant BS - I have searched all over the OPA site for this red herring Jetset Casino item you talk about and I can find nothing.
Maybe you should post a link so that it can be taken down - assuming that it is there at all. This is just another in a series of false posts from you, and your cred. as far as I am concerned has reached a new low.
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 30, 2001, 2:25 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Never mind the red herring, grantt - you know as well as I do that if anything like that is up on the OPA site it is many months old and is there merely due to an oversight following Jetset Casino's fall from OPA grace long ago and consequent demise.
So, now that you're here sniping again why not answer the above questions? Probably won't, because yet again you are talking through your criminally uninformed hat.
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 28, 2001, 12:13 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Absolutely true providing the approach is fair and both sides have the opportunity to know they are being accused, who the accuser is, what they are being accused of and what their response is.
You will notice that grantt has again not substantiated the allegations he makes against Adkins and the OPA casinos. This is his s.o.p. unfounded sniping.
I ask again. Grantt - to which OPA recommended casinos are you referring in your diatribe above and provide the details of these "monthly payments" you accuse Steve of taking for placing casinos on the OPA recommended list?
It's time to put up or shut up.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at August 27, 2001, 9:16 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
This is silly. Do you see gaming regulatory commissions arguing about who is the best? No. The more watchdog agencies the better. Different approaches will work with different casinos.
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| Posted by: grantt at August 27, 2001, 8:47 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Steve and people say you’re obnoxious, abrasive and unprofessional with your childish swearing the nerve of them. I think you make a ery good spokesman for a casino portal or used car salesman. I'm just telling you my opinion. You may be selling it but I’m not buying. Your style of watchdog site is extremely biased. You may ote yourself the most helpful watchdog site in the industry but someone else keeps winning the award each year.
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| Posted by: Steve Adkins at August 27, 2001, 2:09 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
And Grant, just what do you do for the benefit of the online gaming community?
Once you get a casino that is OPA approved we will talk banner prices, but to share them with you is a waste of my time.
The complaint about casino extreme has to do with the player receiving bonuses. It is the right of the casino to not accept any customer they choose not to accept. As long as the player gets paid there is no complaint. Maybe they could word their letters a little better as not to call someone a bonus abuser.
Show me where Casino Extreme has ripped off a player?
Bonuses, that is always the complaint. Casino extreme has normally resolved any complaint we have received about them.
Just because someone complains does not make it a alid complaint. By the way this player was paid in full and then the account was closed.
I do get tired of defending my motives and actions to bizwipes, asswipes and morons.
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 26, 2001, 11:49 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
This is typical of the disruptive posting technique of grantt on this board. He comes on with half-assed unsubstantiated and largely uninformed accusations presented in an abrasive style and then either derails the thread, gets to personal levels or lets the challenge drift to the bottom the thread.
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 25, 2001, 3:56 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Back on topic after that unpleasant grantt detour:
This was his next comment:
"On the other side of the coin though and more importantly he (Adkins) recommends casinos that probably should be blacklisted because they pay him a monthly fee. If you can't see a conflict of interest here you need to look it up in a dictionary. What better way for a casino with a bad reputation to advertise than to have someone proclaiming to list only qaulity sites promoting you. It's a sham."
Probably? Monthly fee to Steve for a quality listing? Where's the detail on this accusation, grantt - specify which casinos on the OPA recommended list that you refer to here and prove to me that they are either a sham or have a bad reputation. Or pay Adkins a monthly fee for the privillege. Are you referring to Casino Extreme as this is the topic of this thread?
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 25, 2001, 3:36 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
"JETSET you may be indebted to Steve because he is trying to make your supposedly old outfit reputable again after several complaints. I on the other hand and most people on here are not interested in second and third chance casinos and those that promote them for pay."
A typically uninformed and unpleasant comment yet again grantt - you are unreal. The first question is exactly what has Steve or for that matter the OPA done to "trying to make your supposedly old outfit reputable again after several complaints"?.
My ten percent interest in Jetset was surrendered some time ago as there was a conflict of interest because I was one of those most publicly critical of the actions of the management and spent a great deal of time often unpleasantly chasing them on behalf of aggrieved players. In fact that operation is dead - closed - finished having been switched off a couple of months back by Microgaming for bad casino practice by an inept management and badly funded owne... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at August 24, 2001, 9:12 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
One final word. I'll nail my colors to the mast here in defence of Adkins whom I personally believe to be one of the most honestly motivated men I have ever encountered. I don't always agree with his quick tempered approach, but by God his intentions are clean.
I second that.
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Got2Bet - Online Gambling News and Information
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| Posted by: grantt at August 24, 2001, 8:18 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
First off I wanted to know how much to post a banner on the OPA site. Second is there any criteria the site must meet in order to be accepted. Yes Steve has gone to bat for players that felt they were unfairly treated and has been successful. On the other side of the coin though and more importantly he recommends casinos that probably should be blacklisted because they pay him a monthly fee. If you can't see a conflict of interest here you need to look it up in a dictionary. What better way for a casino with a bad reputation to advertise than to have someone proclaiming to list only qaulity sites promoting you. It's a sham. JETSET you may be indebted to Steve because he is trying to make your supposedly old outfit reputable again after several complaints. I on the other hand and most people on here are not interested in second and third chance casinos and those that promote them for pay.
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| Posted by: vickinz at August 24, 2001, 6:17 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
If I was Steve I would really be p....d off having my motives questioned all the time when spending so much time, effort and being the dartboard when taking up the fight for others. Fair enough to judge/criticise his approach, reasoning, etc, but I agree with Jetset that he's one of the few decent selfless people in this whole online gambling scene. A few others help out players, but usually they have a ested interest in doing so.
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 24, 2001, 12:21 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Ah, grantt always those poorly thought out and provocatively phrased posts...you are consistent if ill-informed.
Factor X to automatically assume, which seems to be what you are doing in your relentless criticism of the OPA, that an organization which accepts advertising by companies which are on the face of it fair and just implies dishonesty is plain silly.
What are you trying to say? That everyone connected with CasinoGazette and perhaps OPA oluntary committee members are corrupt and no longer have player interests as a priority because legitimate companies are advertising on OPA property?
The complainers regarding Casino Extreme are not in the majority from what I can see, and there does not appear to be any imputation of dishonesty in the complaints. Those who are upset seem to me to be distressed about being locked out on the bonus issue, and locked out in a brusque and unacceptable manner. That is something which the casino needs to take on board and sort out but it is ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: grantt at August 23, 2001, 11:30 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Factor X said "Steve Adkins of the OPA does extensive
advertising for this casino. They pay
and he plays. Another casino that he
advertised quite extensively for a while
back was Casino Towers - another lost
cause." If this is true well then the writing is certainly on the wall isn't it. I have said this all along. The online casino industry is 100% unregulated. Sites may come along once in a while and pretend to be online casino regulators but they are not. The so-called watch dog sites always eventually show their true colors and I think the OPA's may have just been exposed. How can a self-proclaimed watch dog site advertise a casino with numerous player complaints. There has never been a single watchdog site that has not gone the route of the advertising dollar. They then get exposed and have to close down. I would say poke you with a fork I think you’re done. It's time to close the doors and pop up under a different name down the road.
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| Posted by: vickinz at August 23, 2001, 3:40 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
I'd just like to say that I won a lot more for weeks at the beginning and didn't redeposit, and Extreme still treated me well, LOL! In fact with my first win, they were the FIRST RTG casino to let me withdraw without faxback/ID because of my previous experience of spending all-nighters trying to get through by fax with big bill. So I see them as being EXTREME(ly)customer friendly TO ME! I am not saying that all others have received the same treatment.
As said, I do empathise with those who have had hassles as I too get hopping mad when ignored or treated badly.
However, months ago when I seemed to be the only one waiting for weeks for faxback acknowledgements and delayed payments from Vegas Strip, I did NOT take issue with the huge majority who posted they had no trouble whatsoever at that time, as no casino ever has 100% satisfied customers because of the ariation in standard of staff.
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| Posted by: Factor X at August 23, 2001, 8:40 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
To Jetset : I find Brian's comment curious
that my comment about Steve Adkins is out
of order.
I simply pointed out that Steve Adkins has
made some poor choices in the past concerning
what casinos he chooses to support by way
of his own oice advertising as heard on
the Casino Gazette website.
Of course , this comment was bound to upset
one of the "inner circle" who also has a
internet radio program on Casino Gazette
and who has had these same Steve Adkin's
advertisements on his own program.
Thank you Mr. Jetset for the IMO comment-
biased that it is !
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| Posted by: tedm at August 23, 2001, 8:15 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Of course they hate winners. Hell, I hate losing. It works both ways. Gambling is a zero-sum game. Someone ends up happy and someone ends up pissed. Nature of the business.
That said.....
I am up nicely there and I have received almost all my winnings. One check was somehow lost but the problem appears to have been resolved and once a tracking number is given to me that will be the end of that glitch.
Any business has the right to refuse service and if they think you are a bonus abuser then I am sorry to tell you that you are SOL.
I don't know why they don't have phone service but their responsiveness to my questions and concerns has always been fast and better than most places WITH phone service.
The bottom line is that they have the right to shut you off at any time as long as they pay what you are owed.
Coming here to gripe about it is IMHO a waste of everyone's time.
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| Posted by: Jetset at August 22, 2001, 10:20 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
I've been reading this thread with interest (and btw Colly I support your right to express a different and genuinely held iew)
Surely Zrapture and Trader have captured the essence of the thing when they say that the casino handled the matter badly? It seems to me that even those affected directly by the lock-out decision accept the casinos right of admission?
It could be (yes, I know it shouldn't be but it could be) inexperienced or barely multilingual Support operators and that's why it is always worth the trouble of escalating an issue as high as you can go in a casino dispute.
It's not smart to handle clients in this way and they will clearly pay the price for it. As Trader says:
"Good business sense would dictate offering fewer promotions to good players and more to bad players. Rudeness is always bad business because it rarely stays a secret. Now hundreds of gamblers and potential customers have another reason to play elsewhere."
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| Posted by: zrapture at August 22, 2001, 3:53 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
This place didn't do anything nearly as bad as Golden Palace or Magic Oasis. They didn't steal anyones money, they were just extremely rude.
In my case they were one of my favorites, I played there four times, winning over $300 three times. The thing that bothered me was they didn't inform me I was locked out. For the first day or so I kept trying to log in thinking there was a server problem. Then I emailed them and the entire context of their response was " Your account has been locked due to bonus abuse." I had to email again for a further explanation.
IMO they aren't the worst casino around, but they are far, far from the best.
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| Posted by: Factor X at August 22, 2001, 2:37 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Steve Adkins of the OPA does extensive
advertising for this casino. They pay
and he plays. Another casino that he
advertised quite extensively for a while
back was Casino Towers - another lost
cause.
I like Steve but I wish that he would
tone down these commercials for some
of these "abusive" casino sites.
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at August 22, 2001, 1:33 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
When I compared this place to Golden Palace I was only comparing my OWN personal expierence and how I was treated at both while being barred. Not the entire Golden Palace incident. Both barrings occured because I happen to get lucky and win while playing. Golden Palace showed a lot more class then this place in the letter and how they handled it. I wouldn't play at either anymore, with or without a bonus.
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| Posted by: Dave R at August 22, 2001, 1:07 pm | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Dittos to everything Trader just said.
The Golden Palace situation was far worse, and if anyone here is interested, they can go into the ARTICLES section here at WinnerOnline, and read "Analysis of The Golden Palace Scandal" by Brian Cullingworth.
Brian did an outstanding job putting everything into perspective. Players were sent promos on a regular basis. These players followed ALL of Golden Palace's terms/conditions. Then they cashed out. And Golden Palace literally stole these players winnings. These players were labeled bonus abusers, even though they followed all the rules. Golden Palace cheated Trader and James out of a lot of $$$.
Casino Extreme is different. They paid every penny owed to the players PRIOR to the lockout. Casino Extreme has every right to lock these players out, just as any casino does. It does NOT make good business sense to do this, especially based on the detailed scenario DonGambler lists above. But it is thier right. They lived up to thier end... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Trader at August 22, 2001, 10:54 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
I have never played Casino Extreme partly because of their $30 check fee. Like many other RTG sites they offer frequent promotions and have found out that good players cost them money. Good business sense would dictate offering fewer promotions to good players and more to bad players.
Rudeness is always bad business because it rarely stays a secret. Now hundreds of gamblers and potential customers have another reason to play elsewhere.
Saying that this is worse than Golden Palace is an emotional overreaction. What Casino Extreme did to you was what Colosseum Casino did to me last year, but it is their right. Colosseum was one of the first online casinos I tried and I played there only three times, always with a small bonus. They locked my account, but paid every cent due me and paid promptly. I have never complained about this because both parties played by the rules and they had every right to close my account.
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at August 22, 2001, 9:27 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
My situation at Golden Palace was better then Extreme. Golden Palace told me I could not play anymore bonuses after winning there but I was welcome to play at any other time. Extreme just locked my account and when I inquired I was told "the account was closed because of bonus abuse." period. no further explaination. I played more at Extreme without collecting a bonus then I did at Golden Palace. Extreme's method of kicking people out is offensive. They are insinuating that I did something wrong when in fact I did not. I played by their rules and at their invitation. They sent me the bonus offers I did play and invited me to play them. My only crime was being lucky.
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| Posted by: babe at August 22, 2001, 8:45 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
We have discussed many times before about how casinos, instead of barring people should just direct their promotions to the individual players of whom the casino wishes to receive them. Sounds like that's what Extreme is doing here, allowing you to play without a bonus. Whether you're play is considered bonus abuse is subject to debate. One casino will consider it abuse while another won't. Whose opinion matters the most in this instance is Casino Extreme's.
Comparing Extreme to Golden Palace is unfair. At least Extreme is paying what you have in your account, unlike GP that just confiscated whatever was in your account.
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| Posted by: colly at August 22, 2001, 6:55 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Don,
Nobody likes it inferred that they cheat or abuse so I can understand you anger.
I was not casting any aspertions on your feelings or insinuating any ulterior play on your behalf. merely as you said stating my ecperience- which incidentally (despite my reversals on occasions) is somewhat disciplined and has left me in front at extreme with funds in excess of deposits made.
regards
Colly
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at August 22, 2001, 6:19 am | | Topic: Casino Extreme Hates Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Vick and Colly, You both have the right to post your own experiences here about this casino. I don't disagree with that at all. Your playing patterns and Vick's continuous redepositing of withdrawls are probably exactly what any casino looks for. What they don't like are disciplined players who win.
Here is my history at Extreme as best as I can remember it.
Played new player bonus, won and got a check for a $100 or so.
Was going to play a ideo poker bonus but after playing a while I was down over $200. I then had a good hit which brought me up a couple hundred and stopped and cashed out. Received check.
Sent a bonus offer and played it in blackjack. Had one of my best RTG Blackjack runs ever turning the bonus and play into a win of over $1,200 after exceeding the bonus requirements.
Went back and played even more on it to give them more play. Took the $1,200 up to $1,700 and then back to $1,200. Cashed out and received check.
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