| Posted by: Djeff at November 22, 2001, 9:17 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Hi gang,
Just an update for you on Twin Aces Casino. It has now been 5 weeks since I requested a copy of my transaction record from this casino. Twin Aces suggested 5 weeks ago that they could be reviewed by an independant agency and I agreed immeadiately. Will, no records are being submitted anywhere. I have copies of the transactions from writing them down as I played and know that they have something to hide. So I ask all of you:
Why would it take 5 weeks to send Twin Aces Casino's copy??
Here again is proof of what I say:
Subj: RE: Roulette fixed (vlira)
Date: 10/17/01 6:56:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: support@twinacescasino.com (Support @ TwinAces)
To: DJeff95263@aol.com ('DJeff95263@aol.com')
Dear Sir,
Thanks for contacting us again, I checked your play logs and there is nothing strange about the game, of course that making only one bet per table increases the possibilities of loosing the bet, if you want, you can address your co... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at November 15, 2001, 6:17 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
"DonGambler:
As always, the proof is in the eye of the beholder. If you have an open mind I would ask you to adjust your search engine. Please look at other posts on Twin Aces on this board and others."
I know there are other posts.. they deal with slow pay not alleged cheating, so I will say it again, I have heard of no other complaints like yours..
"Sore loser????? Gad, DonGambler where did you come up with that line?? If you were to read the thread you would see that I am far from sore. I took George Finley's advice to a letter and it completely backfired on Twin Aces. If for nothing more than the principle or the matter, I will see this through to a logical conclusion."
Good Luck.. I don't know think your going to get any logical(in your mind) conclusion to your "alleged" problem. This is not a matter of no pay, bonus stealing, etc. What your alleging is not easily provable and if it were occuring there would be many more on here... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NewbieDoobieDo at November 15, 2001, 4:37 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Nothing personal ... but why the hell would you continue playing there through 37 straight RED spins. Wouldn't you think it was time to quit somewhere around 12 or 20 .... or even 30 ??? Dohhhh! Damn, if I even lost 10 hands in a row in BJ I'd get the F out of there for a while and come back later. They obviously had your number (assuming what you say is fact).
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| Posted by: Djeff at November 14, 2001, 10:54 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by DONGAMBLER:
Djeff, I don't have to prove to you that this casino is honest. Your the one who has to prove it isn't and up to this point you sound like nothing but a sore loser. No one else is here with the same complaints. This group of casinos has always paid when I played there and has been around a long time.
The part about not providing play logs is a general practice at all RTG casinos. I asked for mine at Extreme and they refused to provide them. I don't agree with that. But that alone doesn't make this a crooked operation. In fact, it is one of the few RTG
group of casinos that I trust to play at.
Most RTG casinos are headed for the sewer. This is not one of them.
Hey DonGambler,
Are you open minded? I would ask you to go to the Twin Aces Casino web site and do the following:
1) Look under the FAQ section and read the commentary on Safebet.org.
2) Go to Safebet.org and see if Safebet.org recognizes Tw... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Djeff at November 14, 2001, 9:24 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by simme:
I dont know if we can belive what DJEFF is saying. It looks ery stupid to cheet in this case?
Because probably he will not winn in the long run.
I dont belive they are so stupid if they want to cheet.
Simme,
What are you trying to say? Do you really mean to tell me that you think Twin Aces has nothing to gain by cheating? Please do me a favor and re-read the thread. I have nothing to gain by exposing this casino but the satisfaction that they will not swindle another person.
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| Posted by: Djeff at November 14, 2001, 9:22 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by DONGAMBLER:
Djeff, I don't have to prove to you that this casino is honest. Your the one who has to prove it isn't and up to this point you sound like nothing but a sore loser. No one else is here with the same complaints. This group of casinos has always paid when I played there and has been around a long time.
The part about not providing play logs is a general practice at all RTG casinos. I asked for mine at Extreme and they refused to provide them. I don't agree with that. But that alone doesn't make this a crooked operation. In fact, it is one of the few RTG
group of casinos that I trust to play at.
Most RTG casinos are headed for the sewer. This is not one of them.
DonGambler:
As always, the proof is in the eye of the beholder. If you have an open mind I would ask you to adjust your search engine. Please look at other posts on Twin Aces on this board and others. I am most certainly not the only one complaining about the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at November 14, 2001, 10:55 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Djeff, I don't have to prove to you that this casino is honest. Your the one who has to prove it isn't and up to this point you sound like nothing but a sore loser. No one else is here with the same complaints. This group of casinos has always paid when I played there and has been around a long time.
The part about not providing play logs is a general practice at all RTG casinos. I asked for mine at Extreme and they refused to provide them. I don't agree with that. But that alone doesn't make this a crooked operation. In fact, it is one of the few RTG
group of casinos that I trust to play at.
Most RTG casinos are headed for the sewer. This is not one of them.
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| Posted by: simme at November 14, 2001, 10:27 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
I dont know if we can belive what DJEFF is saying. It looks ery stupid to cheet in this case?
Because probably he will not winn in the long run.
I dont belive they are so stupid if they want to cheet.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at November 14, 2001, 8:39 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Send me a request at webmaster@got2bet.com, please. I cannot take any action without a proper request.
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| Posted by: Djeff at November 14, 2001, 1:11 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
Hmm.
I just reread some of what you posted, notably the part about them not having the ability to provide you with an audit trail.
Can you say BULL****?
Tell them you require the complete audit within 72 hours - if they don't know where to get it they need ask no further than the gaming software providers.
If they cannot produce this audit tell them you will assume that their game is crooked and you will shout it from the mountaintops.
That oughta get their attention.
Spearmaster,
I have contacted RTG and they will not respond. Yet again I have demanded my play records from Twin Aces Casino and have no reply.
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| Posted by: Djeff at October 31, 2001, 8:56 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by DONGAMBLER:
Also, Twin Aces is not a crooked operation. Other then taking a bit long sometimes to pay they have always paid. George Finley, the former best CS person there ever was in the on-line casino industry, who now is the manager, runs an honest operation and I;ll ouch for them anytime.
Don,
I plead with you to try and convince me that Twin Aces is not the most crooked online casino that ever exsisted. I have contacted all of the places George Finley asked me to contact and not a single one of them knows a thing about Twin Aces. When I reflect this back to Twin Aces there is no response.
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| Posted by: Djeff at October 31, 2001, 8:53 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
Hmm.
I just reread some of what you posted, notably the part about them not having the ability to provide you with an audit trail.
Can you say BULL****?
Tell them you require the complete audit within 72 hours - if they don't know where to get it they need ask no further than the gaming software providers.
If they cannot produce this audit tell them you will assume that their game is crooked and you will shout it from the mountaintops.
That oughta get their attention.
Spearmaster,
I have demanded the record several times. Do you know what? Not a peep is coming from Twin aces. I have sent each reply that I have gotten from the fair gaming places back to them. They just will not respond to me. They have my money so I quess they feel it is a done deal. Unfortunately, Twin Aces will soon be history if they choose to keep getting this kind of adverse publicity.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 31, 2001, 9:50 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Hmm.
I just reread some of what you posted, notably the part about them not having the ability to provide you with an audit trail.
Can you say BULL****?
Tell them you require the complete audit within 72 hours - if they don't know where to get it they need ask no further than the gaming software providers.
If they cannot produce this audit tell them you will assume that their game is crooked and you will shout it from the mountaintops.
That oughta get their attention.
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| Posted by: Djeff at October 31, 2001, 8:30 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
Quote:
Since your streak has exceeded this, and the logs confirm this, then you can conclude (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the game is rigged, and you have been cheated. Either that or there is a major software bug.
While I don't dispute the fact that such an occurrence is so highly unlikely as to be next to impossible, it obviously DID happen. And my 26 rolls was in a land-based casino - and I suspect that is somewhere close oddswise to the 24 misses on roulette that is claimed to be a world record.
Is someone going to give me a medal or something? I've been part of world-record teams before, and many of my college friends (not just classmates) were world-record holders in some strange feat (like for example solving the Rubik's Cube).
I hate to say it, Dave, but you shouldn't believe everything you see in print I swear to God, as a business editor I was trained to check every nook and cranny for hidden traps. But ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 31, 2001, 5:14 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
Since your streak has exceeded this, and the logs confirm this, then you can conclude (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the game is rigged, and you have been cheated. Either that or there is a major software bug.
While I don't dispute the fact that such an occurrence is so highly unlikely as to be next to impossible, it obviously DID happen. And my 26 rolls was in a land-based casino - and I suspect that is somewhere close oddswise to the 24 misses on roulette that is claimed to be a world record.
Is someone going to give me a medal or something? I've been part of world-record teams before, and many of my college friends (not just classmates) were world-record holders in some strange feat (like for example solving the Rubik's Cube).
I hate to say it, Dave, but you shouldn't believe everything you see in print I swear to God, as a business editor I was trained to check every nook and cranny for hidden traps. But even then we get burnt by something that we... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The Original Mary at October 30, 2001, 10:11 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Safebet is RTG's complaint arm. I think it's www.safebet.org
RTG also has their own website at www.realtimegaming.com
I would think that the programmers at RealTime would beinterested in reviewing the logs in case of a bug; if they are in fact functioning correctly,they might want the publicity of a world record!
Registrant:
SafeBet Organization, Inc. (SAFEBET6-DOM)
1950 Spectrum Circle, Suite 400
Atlanta, GA 30067
US
Domain Name: SAFEBET.ORG
Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
Brailey, Tom (SNX117) tom@SAFEBET.ORG
SafeBet Organization, Inc.
1950 Spectrum Circle, Suite 400
Atlanta, GA 30067
US
404-459-9866 877-471-4153
Technical Contact:
Admin (MVSTMFGOYO) admin@SAFEBET.ORG
SafeBet Organization, Inc.
1950 Spectrum Circle, Suite 400
Atlanta , GA 30067
US
404-459-9866
Fax- 877-471-4153
Record last updated on 28-Sep-2001.
Record expires on 17-Aug-2002.
Record created on 17... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Djeff at October 30, 2001, 9:14 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dave R:
Djeff,
Its time to contact RTG to get those logs.
If they refuse, you have grounds for a complaint to file with licensing authorities to get ALL your money back.
Barnhart's book "Beating The Wheel" says that 24 in a row (even money) on roulette is the longest streak in recorded history. The Guiness Book of World Records has this number at either 23 or 24.
Since your streak has exceeded this, and the logs confirm this, then you can conclude (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the game is rigged, and you have been cheated. Either that or there is a major software bug.
Ok, So how do I contact RTG. I am committed to following this through. In fact, I am happy to keep you posted on the progress. To date I have asked Twin Aces to send me my logs and they will no longer answer my e-mails. I went to the RTG web site and could not really see anyplace to access them for complaints about their software.
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| Posted by: Dave R at October 30, 2001, 3:57 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Djeff,
Its time to contact RTG to get those logs.
If they refuse, you have grounds for a complaint to file with licensing authorities to get ALL your money back.
Barnhart's book "Beating The Wheel" says that 24 in a row (even money) on roulette is the longest streak in recorded history. The Guiness Book of World Records has this number at either 23 or 24.
Since your streak has exceeded this, and the logs confirm this, then you can conclude (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the game is rigged, and you have been cheated. Either that or there is a major software bug.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 30, 2001, 10:39 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
LMAO.
Now, if just once I can get 26 straight sixes to appear, all the while letting it ride each time...
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| Posted by: HKGambler at October 30, 2001, 9:34 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
After deeper thoughts, I obviously become to side with the claim that 37 consecutive non-black in Roulette or 26 non-six in Sicbo is statistically impossible.
Let talk on the roulette case, double-zero kind. Mathematically, the probability of getting a non-black at one time is 10/19. To be 37 times IN A ROW, it would then be: 10/19 to the power 37. Ordinary calculators will not help you with an answer, by performing on MS Excel there came this extremely micro decimal, 0.00000000004854. Verbally, it is one in 20.6 billion.
What does the figure mean in real life? Well, we all have 24 hours a day. Subtracting 8 hours allowable for sleep, yes a young man like me needs 8 hours for a thorough sleep. Subtracting 1 hour for the 3 meals, assuming normal chewing rate. Subtracting 1 hour for moments with the toilet or bathroom, assuming no constipation problem. The rest 14 hours is entirely fixed for a hell-like, non-stop, intensive play. 2 turns a minute. 120 turns an hour. A total of 1680 turns... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 25, 2001, 10:54 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Jai-Alai is the first casino you see when you get off the jetfoil/hydrofoil/ferry. I prefer the Lisboa myself but at the time I was just planning a day trip and not staying overnight.
And yes, I am aware of the developing situation in Macau. I wonder if they will have to resort to comps and free drinks to attract players...
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| Posted by: HKGambler at October 25, 2001, 10:44 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Also, as you know,
In the last 40 years, the previous Macau govt. only granted ONE gambling license to Dr. Stanley H.S. Ho, who therefore monopolised the business, running 11 casinos, employing 25% of workforce, making a profit of 5 billion HKD after tax, as of last year.
Now, the new govt. after 1999 decided to issue 3 licenses next year to draw in new competitors, which attracted 17 consortiums to enter the fight, including the famous MGM Mirage, the genton enterprise in Malaysia, the New World enterprise in H.K. and so on, as well as to de-monopolise the Stanley Ho's Kingdom, which too many people had long been sick of in terms of their total disrespect for customers, their snatching of tips, & their croupiers' disgusting manner....
The result will be announced by the end of this year. I'll be happy to see casinos like MGM Mirage gets a license. By then, Macau casinos will revolutionize new philosophy of management & retain a good service supposed to be. Then, I bet... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HKGambler at October 25, 2001, 9:36 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
No, I bet you will never.
I can't figure out which Jai Alai casino actually is since I seldom remember the Portugese name. Is that the small one on Sun Ma Road (·s°¨¸ô) near the fountain? I never played there, I only played at Hotel de Lisboa (»Z¨Ê) and Boomerang Casino near the HK-Macau Pier.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 25, 2001, 9:04 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Funny you should mention flat betting - because I am writing an article on betting progressions but haven't finished it yet. Flat betting has two problems:
1. Boring as hell.
2. Can get you noticed at an online casino.
BTW, you think I will ever go to the Jai Alai casino ever again (except to watch the Jai Alai or play pachinko)?
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| Posted by: HKGambler at October 25, 2001, 8:48 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
26 consecutive rolls without seeing a Six at Sicbo, or 37 turns without seeing a Black at Roulette, was exactly one Hell of an awful streak!
So, talking of betting system, applying the Martingale system ,ie doubling after a loss, is highly risky & unwise, especially for those who already have high blood pressure. Yeah you may 95% of the time recover your previous loss plus 1 unit won, but the other 5% you will definitely go broke.
Flat betting is most desirable for bonus earners as keeping down the ariance as low as possible. However, this you may easily be defined as a bonus abuser or scammer.
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| Posted by: Djeff at October 25, 2001, 7:37 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by scaven:
that sucks, lemme guess that you were using the martingale and got wiped out.
by the way, didnt I warn you of this in Vegas Lobby , or are you someone else
No, if I was on martingale for that run you would be looking at 2 to the 37th dollars and probably Twin Aces would be thinking they were really something. I will not use the martingale approach in any gambling game because I don't have enough money and they wont allow such a large bet anyway.
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| Posted by: Djeff at October 25, 2001, 7:14 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
Djeff -
To put it bluntly, that sucks big time. The odds against that happening are astronomical, perhaps.
But assuming that the table is single zero, the "coin" is always weighted 19-18 against you - and of course if it is double zero you have 10-9 against. In my run of 26+ non-Sixes there is no bias whatsoever.
I'd have to ask an actuary to calculate the odds - but I don't think that would necessarily qualify as impossible. Improbable, definitely.
I stayed on black. Why would I not?
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 25, 2001, 7:10 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Djeff -
To put it bluntly, that sucks big time. The odds against that happening are astronomical, perhaps.
But assuming that the table is single zero, the "coin" is always weighted 19-18 against you - and of course if it is double zero you have 10-9 against. In my run of 26+ non-Sixes there is no bias whatsoever.
I'd have to ask an actuary to calculate the odds - but I don't think that would necessarily qualify as impossible. Improbable, definitely.
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| Posted by: Djeff at October 25, 2001, 11:23 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
Djeff?
37 of what? If you bet a number 37 times and it didn't come up, that would be perfectly normal.
If you bet red 37 times and it didn't come up, I'd have to say that was one HELL of an awful streak.
But statistically, 37x any bet on the roulette table without a win is certainly not statistically and effectively impossible. Just so damn unlikely that even if it WERE honest I probably would never play that game or casino again.
Spearmaster: it was 37 reds
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 25, 2001, 11:03 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Djeff?
37 of what? If you bet a number 37 times and it didn't come up, that would be perfectly normal.
If you bet red 37 times and it didn't come up, I'd have to say that was one HELL of an awful streak.
But statistically, 37x any bet on the roulette table without a win is certainly not statistically and effectively impossible. Just so damn unlikely that even if it WERE honest I probably would never play that game or casino again.
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| Posted by: Djeff at October 25, 2001, 10:55 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
Hey HK -
Did you hear about the time I was playing Dai Sai (Sicbo) at the Jai Alai Casino? I bet that a six would show up on one die. There being three dice in the game, you would think I had a reasonable chance of seeing a six sometime soon?
Hell no - at least not that trip.
TWENTY-SIX - yup, 26 - CONSECUTIVE rolls without EVER seeing a six. Might have been longer but I walked away totally disgusted and broke.
Had that happened in an online casino I would have screamed bloody murder. But it happened before my ery own eyes, so of course there was zilch I could do about it other than curse loudly - and as unsympathetic as most other Chinese gamblers generally are, they could do nothing but shake their heads and bet SAI (small) - and that came up I think 24 of the 26 times.
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at October 25, 2001, 10:27 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Also, Twin Aces is not a crooked operation. Other then taking a bit long sometimes to pay they have always paid. George Finley, the former best CS person there ever was in the on-line casino industry, who now is the manager, runs an honest operation and I;ll ouch for them anytime.
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at October 25, 2001, 9:06 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
I walked into a casino, sat down at a blackjack table where no one else was and won the first 18 hands in a row. Doubles, splits, I won them all. The dealer and pit boss looked on in astonishment. Had this been an online casino and I would have lost the first 18 hands I would have been a bit suspicious. Others would immediately scream rigged. Not necessarily so. Streaks work both ways.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at October 25, 2001, 8:57 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
Hey HK -
Did you hear about the time I was playing Dai Sai (Sicbo) at the Jai Alai Casino? I bet that a six would show up on one die. There being three dice in the game, you would think I had a reasonable chance of seeing a six sometime soon?
Hell no - at least not that trip.
TWENTY-SIX - yup, 26 - CONSECUTIVE rolls without EVER seeing a six. Might have been longer but I walked away totally disgusted and broke.
Had that happened in an online casino I would have screamed bloody murder. But it happened before my ery own eyes, so of course there was zilch I could do about it other than curse loudly - and as unsympathetic as most other Chinese gamblers generally are, they could do nothing but shake their heads and bet SAI (small) - and that came up I think 24 of the 26 times.
Djeff, I would like to see the numbers if you wouldn't mind - if you won't post them here at least send me a copy and I will take a look at them.
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| Posted by: HKGambler at October 25, 2001, 12:12 am | | Topic: Twin Aces is a crooked operation! Forum: Winner Online |
I had seen with my own eyeballs that of Baccarat, in a session it had 13 Bankers in a row; that in another session it had a total of 52 Players ersus a total of 7 Bankers. At the time & after, no one ever challenged the result. Because that happened in a brick & mortar casino where the outcome of cards cannot be changed after the bets are placed.
Now, we heard complaints from time to time that some ONLINE casino games are fixed. Because players had reasons to suspect. Because software manipulation can easily be done technically. Because for greedy reasons that it is highly tempted for casinos to do so.
Some people say, allegations do not stand while you cannot prove. Well, it is scientific & reasonable to speak this way. However, in reality, even something cannot be proved, we can still believe it & feel it, using our human senses. For example, I love you!
In dealing with online gambling, yes we can hardly prove a software is fixed. Unless someone who did the t... | | Read Entire Entry |
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