| Posted by: The_CPA at November 30, 2001, 6:42 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Well Doc., that's how come you guys make the BIG bucks!
I was so busy looking at the blackjack requirements, I paid no attention to any other changes. Kind of turns this into a good deal!
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| Posted by: DrOakland at November 30, 2001, 6:08 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Queried Vegas Villa, received this reply:
"Please be informed that the wagering requirements are different for each casino. For the Vegas Villa casino the wagering disqualifies the wagering on Craps and Roulette and Blackjack. You are not able to wager on Blackjack to qualify for the bonus, however you are more than welcome to wager on Baccarat to qualify and cashin the bonus."
Hmmm, wonder if I can bet both player and bank? Better not ask LOL
DrO
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| Posted by: DrOakland at November 30, 2001, 4:54 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by CasinoNow:
Has anyone ever been offered an explaination as to why Blackjack is excluded. Roulette and Craps I can understand, as there is a way of cheating the system on those games, and back when online casinos first started offering bonuses, the players that caught onto this early had a good ol time making their rounds from casino to casino.
Seems most casinos exclude Roulette, Craps, and Baccarat. I wonder if Vegas Villa just made a mistake and put Blackjack instead of Baccarat. In any case, if I try the VV bonus, probably will play it out with Baccarat.
DrO
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| Posted by: vickinz at November 24, 2001, 4:28 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
I forgot about Steve's consistent contribution of his time, energy and persistance momentarily. Nope, OPA needs a "bulldog" like him too - and that is meant as a compliment, and in the nicest possible way!
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| Posted by: vickinz at November 22, 2001, 12:38 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
7 SULTANS DID THE RIGHT AND DECENT THING!!!
Friend found his $85 credited back to FirePay already! But just hours previously he was told to wager the $85 x 8 before cashout.
It seems their right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing. No, he did not play at all because he could not activate the blackjack and did not find out until later that it was an excluded game. Also he did not touch the $l5 they gave him (for downloading I think he said) so as not be a bonus abuser.
I told him to apologise to them for causing them trouble and thank them for their quick helpful resolution. After all, they probably had to pay commission on the Firepay debit and credit. It pays to encourage and reinforce casino's good behaviour so that there is justification in complaining when it's bad IMO.
Phew...I'm glad things worked out as I hate it when I refer someone to a place and they strike problems; in this case it was an understandable oversight on his own part.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at November 22, 2001, 11:29 am | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
ickinz,
let me get this straight: he hasn't played at all and they are refusing to let him withdraw the amount of his deposit?
OK, this is bogus. Try to get a hold of John Hughes. Tell them that one of their VIP members suggested this and is reading about it online with some alarm.
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at November 22, 2001, 7:54 am | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Ahhh Jerry,
Have you found a definition of "bonus abuser"? It seems to ary from one casino to another. Just because a person makes money by accepting offered bonuses, does that make them an abuser? Or how about only making deposits when a bonus is offered. Does that make them abusers?
Just want to be clear about this.
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at November 22, 2001, 7:42 am | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Has anyone ever been offered an explaination as to why Blackjack is excluded. Roulette and Craps I can understand, as there is a way of cheating the system on those games, and back when online casinos first started offering bonuses, the players that caught onto this early had a good ol time making their rounds from casino to casino. This is one of the reasons why casinos hate bonus abusers, because they got hit hard on these games and couldn't stand the fact that the mathematics of their system didn't hold true to what they had expected to happen.
Now, since all of this, word has quickly spread around the casinos and it is almost impossible to find a casino that allows craps or roulette bets on bonus dollars, but I haven't heard of any blackjack exclusion, and can think of no reason for it unless they simply want to force you onto games with a higher take. I personal say forget them and their bonus. I no longer accept bonuses from any casinos. I don't need their money, and if I did, I would hav... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vickinz at November 22, 2001, 4:03 am | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
I regret suggesting he try them because they aren't as decent as I thought. The greedy toads are certainly out to get his money!
They are saying he has to wager his deposit 8 times before he can cash in, because they gave him a lousy $l5 bonus at the time of his deposit. He did not touch that, out of fairness, and just cashed in his $85 deposit.
The promo has changed; it's now, wager the $85 once through, to receive the 100% bonus, then wager bonus 8 times to cash in the bonus. Not unfair if you want to play the games they allow.
He deposited ia Firepay so he doesn't understand about having to sign anything. The also don't say he has to sign, only that he may have to. So if they don't pay him, they have that excuse that something has been sent in the mail for him to sign LOL.
They seem like measures to wear him out so that it's easier just to go and waste his money on games he's not interested in. Never known a casino to be so tough! When I've wanted to cash in (with... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HKGambler at November 21, 2001, 7:34 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
"He's now received a cashin email saying that they may send him documents by mail TO SIGN!"
As far as I know, MG casinos do not require players to SIGN any document in order to cash-in. The withdrawal procedure has always been simple & clearcut. Oh, maybe this is a special case.
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| Posted by: vickinz at November 21, 2001, 1:51 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
AS: that kinda misrepresentation and wasting of time would rile me too.
I just hate opening emails which have subject headings e.g. "Your account"/"Your cashin"/"Your bonus" etc. and it's just more spam from an unknown or untried source, but one would not know by the address of the sender, as some casinos I've played at don't use an identifiable senders address preferring something ague like "helpdesk"/"support" etc.
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at November 21, 2001, 12:16 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
This is ery interesting at this particular time. I have been a staunch supporter of Fortune Lounge casinos, mainly because I have always been paid promptly, and the bonuses have been deposited without a problem. I have also won on the bonuses and been paid, sometimes substantial amounts from these wins, after losing my initial deposit.
However, I have never known them to answer "pesky"emails. They simply don't answer sticky questions. I have overlooked this shortcoming to this point.
It's always the small things that seem to be the "last straw" to me. A couple of days ago, I received an email from Royal Vegas stating there was $10 in my account, and to come and play. I get these from time to time from arious casinos I play at regularly, so I thought, "I'll play when I've run out of deposit money". Wrong!! I re-installed the casinos, and logged in to find a $0 balance. When I called to ask what was going on, the CS told me to "just ignore the email&quo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vickinz at November 21, 2001, 11:46 am | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
On reflection, this could be iewed as as smart, cunning or devious marketing and I agree that they have done nothing wrong.
They have arying bonuses for new signups at their casinos and I suppose they have factored in the odds based on the amounts of the bonuses and the percentage of payouts in blackjack and decided to offer what and where in terms of bonuses and games.
I myself never had much blackjack luck here Fortune Lounge months ago (maybe unluckier then, or dumber - not quite sure!) but found they were trustworthy in that they always did what they said. Think their John Hughes in Marketing is pretty organised as each month they sensibly try to tempt me back with realistic offers which explains group's longevity.
I wouldn't object at all to seeing them with the OPA moniker attached, Mary.
But they haven't replied to my friend after emailing them as requested when "error module" came up. This is prob. due to his cashing in his deposit so they think ther... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The_CPA at November 20, 2001, 11:27 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
I wouldn't worry too much about this group. They just changed their bonus plans a few weeks ago. Looks like they are trying to create situations for certain types of gamblers and chase the bonus hunters away.
I completely agree, they are a good group and besides, they didn't do anything wrong here. You can't get on them too much, it is clearly there. By the same token, it is a pretty significant deviation from the norm....if there is such a thing.
Still and all, unless this person started gambling and lost the bonus, I think they will work it out. I'd go for the transfer. I like the newer ersion software in the Fortune Room better anyhow. Plus you can bet in any amount instead the 2.00 and the subsequent 10.00 increments. Let us know what happens with this please.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at November 20, 2001, 10:01 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Darn it, Vicki, I had just suggested that the OPA try to get Fortune Lounge to apply for membership. They are one of my favorite groups.
This disappoints me. I will get after them about this.
At least the software was disabled, instead of letting your friend play, and then disallowing wins after the fact.
Let us know how they handle this. Transferring the account to a one of their blackjack enabled sister sites would be a fair resolution in my opinion.
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| Posted by: vickinz at November 20, 2001, 8:33 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Friend said he read T/C for one of them which did not exclude blackjack, so thought all would be the same. Pretty cunning to have only some of them disallowing blackjack?
LOL...they've lost a "good" player (from casinos iewpoint) as he often loses because he aims too high and loses all, as I used to do all the time! He withdrew because they have not bothered to answer his email about "module error" which asked him to contact the casino.
The good support was concentrated on getting him to deposit, not after.
Serves you right Fortune Lounge!
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| Posted by: The_CPA at November 20, 2001, 7:28 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Here the deal,
Of the 5 casinos, the Blackjack exception only applies to 7 Sultans and Vegas Villa
Fortune Lounge, Vegas Palms and Royal Vegas still just have craps and roulette excluded.
If he hasn't started betting, he should just withdraw. Shouldn't be a problem.
I don't know, they might transfer the deal to one of the others that allow Blackjack. Who knows, it's worth asking about.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at November 20, 2001, 7:13 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Uh Oh,
Number 7 on T$C..Clear as a bell
Wagering on Blackjack, Craps and Roulette does not fulfill the wagering requirements to qualify for a bonus or to cashin the bonus money.
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at November 20, 2001, 7:07 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
He's hoping he wont have problems getting his deposit back as he isn't going to waste money playing what he doesn't want to.
Right, this is the thing to do. Just say no! I wouldn't play, I would withdrawal, and then send an Email telling them to keep the bonus and tell them no blackjack, no play.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at November 20, 2001, 7:06 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Really nice to know Vickinz. I am one those mostly blackjack players too.
I gotta go with Dirk on this one. I think many of us are primarily BJ players. Certainly a healthy number anyway.
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| Posted by: vickinz at November 20, 2001, 6:57 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
It may or may not have been mentioned in the email offer to obtain $575(?) for signing up at Fortune Lounges casinos. If so, it was not as clearly stated as you quoted above.
It was AFTER depositing, in their letter of congratulation, which gave a link for terms and conditions, that he read it after not being able to access blackjack.
But it seems sneaky to me as he hasn't had a reply for hours when querying about blackjack coming up as "error module" while he was impressed with their speedy responses when asking questions BEFORE DEPOSITING!
Guess it's casinos ploy to have people playing while waiting for an answer. He's hoping he wont have problems getting his deposit back as he isn't going to waste money playing what he doesn't want to.
Wouldn't be surprised if some of these places are finding the competition pretty stiff these days.
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| Posted by: PlayTheOdds at November 20, 2001, 6:40 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Three casinos that I am aware of routinely exclude Blackjack for bonus eligibility. Starluck, Planetluck, and Apolla have been including the term "Bonus code XXXX is good for all games except Blackjack and Roulette". This is certainly disappointing to me, because blackjack is the only game I play. A couple of other times I've seen a casino set higher wager requirements for blackjack than for other games.
It is certainly important to always read the fine print before depositing and wagering at any online casino.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at November 20, 2001, 6:12 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
Your post is not clear.
Are you saying that 7 Sultans no longer has Blackjack or Blackjack doesn't qualify for bonus wager thru or neither you're not sure??
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| Posted by: vickinz at November 20, 2001, 5:44 pm | | Topic: Hope BJ play not on way out for bonus play! Forum: Winner Online |
A friend found he could not access blackjack after signing up and depositing at 7 Sultans. They have not answered his email, despite ery quick responses when querying about depositing!
But he found out why after reading the letter congratulating him on signing up. He didn't see anything about blackjack exclusion in their email offer, but then he wasn't looking for it I guess.
Hope this is not the start of new trend.
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