| Posted by: The_CPA at January 10, 2002, 8:04 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
I didn't ask this person if I could repost this, but I don't think it is a problem.
He posted this in reponse to my suggestions on Resolving Disputes on the little used CPA Board,hint/spam.LOL I think it goes hand and hand with Dov's post and thought it was worth someone actually reading!
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Having only been at this a short spell, I don't know much about the innergoingson surounding this. I did read on another board, sorry, that it was probably not worth trying again.
If I had a problem that I could not solve myself, I would prefer to be represented by someone who could affect the casino's income on a direct basis. Again, from what little I know about this and reading the post above, The OPA could only blacklist and post negatives. This may not have reached a big enough a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: croupier at January 10, 2002, 2:18 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
I don't think a new association can be started by a single discussion thread. For this reason I have opened a forum to discus this issue.
I believe it is in the best interests of everyone to have a more organized discussion about starting a new players association.
I hope you all agree You can get to the forum by <a href="http://www.casino-help.com/forum">clicking here</a>
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 10, 2002, 1:58 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
I was just curious, was the OPA ever able to achieve any sort of non-profit status? If so, a proper encouragement of donations could help offset these fees. If not, was there any particular criteria that they didn't meet?
Also, another alternate approach that those considering a new organization might consider, is to narrow your focus to a particular jurisdiction, rather than trying to cover all of internet gambling. If you can work with the officals of an established jurisdiction to mediate all player complaints for casinos within their boundaries. If done correctly, it could actually be something that would raise the standard for their jurisdiction, adding alue to their offer, so perhaps you could get them to cover some of the costs.
It's far fetched, I know. Really meant as more of a random thought for consideration.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
Quote: Originally Posted by Jetset:
Well said Mary.
The OPA ne... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CasinoCity at January 10, 2002, 1:31 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The Original Mary:
I'd like to see the OPA keep going. I'd like to have a President using his or her legal name headquartered out of the USA, a web site, a weekly radio show, somebody picking up my PACER bills (7 cents a page, a national USA court database), a paid membership in the international newspaper archives so I can read articles ($1.00--$2.50 apiece)as much as I want, get reimbursed to go to the River City Group's annual Ingternet Gaming Conference in Toronto ($1k or so) to interview industry providers, etc.
Mary,
Contact me at greg@casinocity.com. Maybe we could do something useful here.
Greg
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| Posted by: Jetset at January 10, 2002, 12:22 am | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Well said Mary.
The OPA needn't fade away but there are obstacles to be overcome in resurrecting it with a new leadership and a committee prepared to work hard and for nothing - in fact at a cost to them personally as your post illustrates.
The field is wide open for those who feel strongly enough and determined enough to get it back on the rails.
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| Posted by: joeyl at January 9, 2002, 2:05 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Hello Mary.
Type is cheap,as you say..
But how much should people have been charged,per annum?
On hindsight.
To pay for all you mention that is....
Also:How does Gambling grumbles stay afloat?I am a nubian and genuinely don't know...
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at January 9, 2002, 1:34 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
I'm working on finding out if it is Steve or not.
Some more food for thought for folks kvetching about no calls for olunteers:
*We did say there was too much work. Didn't get any olunteers. It's not rocket science to figure out they might be welcome, eh?
*The work that needed doing involved handling player's information. Which meant that we needed to take time to et olunteers, because members wouldn't want just anybody to be able to pay $25 to get access to player info, now would they?
*The OPA wasn't accepting membership moneys during, I think, the whole month of December. Mr. Hotmail was though, without our knowledge.
I would hope after the hundreds of messages I have posted here (average of three a day) and on other sites that I would be extended the courtesy of benefit of doubt.
Finally, look, folks, people can always post what they'd like to see other people do. The hard part is finding somebody who says, "Yes, I will do it."
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| Posted by: Jetset at January 9, 2002, 1:30 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Several people including myself are now actively looking into this and other allegations. More when it is discovered.
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| Posted by: slotski at January 9, 2002, 12:15 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset, keep us posted. I dont think this is Steve doing this. Whoever it is, the slimy scum will be exposed eventually.
Mary, do u think someone is scamming Steve?
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| Posted by: nvaughan3 at January 9, 2002, 6:01 am | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset: I have sent you the email exchange involving steve to the email in your profile.
Stepping back and looking at the available information, It seems to me that steve has been acting alone or unilaterally in collecting players funds. Although I despise the response of OPA mary to my questions, I do not think her intentions are bad, but rather she is overworked and overstressed. However, I cannot say the same for steve and his intentions right now. (as if my opinion means anything! )
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| Posted by: joeyl at January 9, 2002, 4:28 am | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Hey Colly...
That was part of what i was refering to..Online players being ripped again..This time someone pretending to be Steve of the OPA himself when the organisation has gone..
One final kick in the nuts for the OPA as i see it..
As i said,parting shots from adverseries is one thing.Downright fraud is another.Just what the OPA was so dead against too!
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| Posted by: colly at January 9, 2002, 3:58 am | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Joely and others
See OPA Marys post re email purporting to come from Steve at the OPA. Neither the OPA or Steve have EVER emailed me using a hotmail address so the person who thought Steve emailed her friend- pass it on.
Jetset
I suspect that IF Steve is under any sort of investigation he has probably been advised by lawyers NOT to make postings or involve himself in any way (through gambling, email or portals) with the online gambling industry. I would logically reason that this is why he has made NO comments on this issue anywhere
grantt-
useful contribution as always (sarcasm)
regards
Colly
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at January 8, 2002, 9:56 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Here's something for a new players' mediation group to consider:
Are you willing to use your legal name, and not a handle?
That turned out to be a significant limitor right there.
Incidentally, if there are people willing to start a players' group on the lines of Amateur Sleuth's suggestions, go for it.
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| Posted by: FairBet at January 8, 2002, 8:31 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
This is a ery good point Slotski. However, I will say that even the "reputable" sites sometimes need a nudge when the CSR's drop the ball, the bank processors screw up, etc.
We have been able to bring a faster / calmer close to some honest mistakes / unresolved issues (regarding reputable casinos of course) by getting involved for our isitors.
Simply having access to the "right" people can be helpful, and also having the ability to immediately stop sending traffic AND post some potentially damaging information can lube the gears quite nicely.
...also, I've found that the players really feel good that somebody is trying to help them out. Just having somebody on their side for the extra week or two it takes to get things done, makes the week or two not seem so long to them.
I think the problem the OPA faced is that they said: “This is our Job. This is what we do.”
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| Posted by: joeyl at January 8, 2002, 6:22 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
O.K J....Conflict of interests it is then...
What gets me is..The adverse posts regarding the demise of the OPA are one thing..It's the lurker thieving casino people who are just rubbing thier hands together right now that are the ones to be wary of.Thems gonna bleed the likes of me dry with gay abandon now!
I mean..Thats why the OPA closed down apparently,overworked essentially..
I gather it's already started?
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 8, 2002, 5:03 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Joey,
While I think anyone would be honored to be in such a position, I am most definitely not the right person for the role. These roles would require someone who has the time and resources to persue this on a full time basis, as well as someone who already has a good grasp on the procedures and policies of the organization.
My contact and participation within the OPA has been almost non-existant, and because of that I am underqualified for the position. I recall when it first started, in the Summer of '99, follow the great Golden Palace lock out. The concept was discussed briefly here, and then moved immediately to YourLuckyPage.com where all the pieces were put together.
I added some of my own comments in those opening days, and had periodic contact with Steve on arious subjects, but the OPA was started at a time when things were really taking off for me, and I simply had no time to spare. Heck, I would even drop off of WOL for 6 months at a shot. LOL.
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| Posted by: joeyl at January 8, 2002, 4:40 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Jerry.
I find it hard to pick holes in much you say..Especially your last post..
Are you gonna be stepping up to the plate to take over the running of the OPA?
The wording on the OPA site "memo" from "anonymous" amounts to an open invitation for anyone who has the balls to do so if they think they can handle it...
Any other takers?
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 8, 2002, 4:28 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
The remarks Nevaughan makes are the ones about this subject that I find troubling. As for the OPA closing, I am sad to see if go, but if the resources are not available there is not much you can do. Although, I think an alternate approach that should be explored is to let these executive committee members simply resign their posts, which will be refilled by new olunteers, pending a member ote for the more important positions. Even if this attempt failed, at least all would know that it was given the best shot possible.
As far as the allegations about legal issues, I honestly saw no reason why they should be taken as fact, and am glad to see the other thread completely gone, as well as the copied text removed from here. I am a little concerned that no official reply was given on Steve's behalf, which didn't do much to settle the rumors, but am sure he had his reasons and am confident that Steve is making the appropriate decisions, whatever the situation may be. He's a good guy, and if you'll al... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jetsettoo at January 8, 2002, 12:56 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks for the fast response, nvaughan3. Would your informant have any problem privately supplying the email exchange? I would also be interested in information such as how and where the subscription was paid?
BTW I have tried to contact him again today but again no bounce back but no response.
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| Posted by: nvaughan3 at January 8, 2002, 12:42 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Hi jetset:
Yes, I am in contact with a person who paid for OPA dues sometime in the last 10 or so days. She was in contact with steve directly, or at least someone claiming to be steve. I suspect it really is steve due to the email address used and his response to her questions. Its a hotmail address, with an IP addy coming from pac-bell out of san fransisco.
I emailed him with some questions but he failed to respond to me.
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| Posted by: Jetsettoo at January 8, 2002, 12:12 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Using a new temporary registration as a technical glitch has aced out my Jetset nomdeplume and password at WOL the past few days. Omnibus comment:
1) Amateur Sleuth and Luckystrike look to be the most interested people regarding the formation of a new committee and the field is wide open if enough members feel the same way and accept your leadership. I sincerely wish all strength to your arms.
2) nvaughan3 - you say that Adkins has responded to email within the last few days and that subscriptions were accepted recently? I assume that your informant on this is truly informed and reliable? Are you prepared to give more details and identify that person - if necessary in private?
I ask because I have been trying to get a response from this gentleman for the last couple months without success in a quest for a comment on a seperate issue, and in the light of this discussion concerning him there is clearly a further comment required which I would like to put to him.
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| Posted by: MoneyBag$ at January 8, 2002, 7:22 am | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
I have edited my original post. I did not do it because I believe p4k did the right thing by removing the post she made as I believe it was removed because of all the negative attention she has recieved.I edited my post to abide by the wishes of the people I believe who are here to post facts and I consider unbiased and have posted with integrity.
I guess regardless the reason behind her deletion of the post the fact is, it is gone now and at least this forum and others can discuss this issue without bias posts like the one she had posted. If anything I believe that is an accomplishment and if having to post some things that may not have been pertinate to the actual problems the opa is experiencing then so be it. Sometimes things need to be said in order to gain back control of actual facts and let the real issues continue to go forward.
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| Posted by: nvaughan3 at January 7, 2002, 9:15 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
"I cannot,in that time though,remember any appeals for OPA members to help keep the thing going."
You're right, they didnt ask for any help. They also did not respond to questions 4-5 weeks ago on how we could help.
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| Posted by: joeyl at January 7, 2002, 4:18 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Fair enough answer i suppose Jerry..And thanks.
O.K then...
As you know,the said thread at P4K's was deleted...And i gather that Christine can't post here either..Not helpful...
I was about to ask P4K whether she would post her reliable sources name if the info turned out to be bogus.This would be on the basis that her source has probably set her up.
On hindsight.Surely no-one believes she piped it up off the top of her head..The timing was just too good,know what i mean?
I know little about P4K's and Steves online spat.Safe to say though,that Christine obviously would not hesitate to post atleast something regarding the demise of her supposed bitter rival..I think that is just her way.I probably would have too.Many have done the self same thing to her here...
Now,the OPA.Apparently they are closing due to lack of resources and/or olunteers..I do believe i have since seen Amatuerslueth offer her services(ish)...
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| Posted by: slotski at January 7, 2002, 4:18 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
The more i think about it the less convinced i am that there really is much alue to another organization like the OPA coming into existence.
It seems to me that the overall bottom line is that:
if a casino/casino group/turnkey-software provider is not honest, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH ANYONE. (That is why they are dishonest!)
if the above is honest, they will deal with customers reasonably such as many that we all know about do all the time. That is why they are honest!
For the most part, the OPA was trying to deal with the first group above. That is kin to asking a mugger holding a knife to your throat to give your money back please.
The only thing that will change this industry in a real way is going to be real regulation, not olunteer or paid groups trying to help ripped off players get their money back from crooks.
These message boards can be just as effective as those groups simply by warning people which of these crooked places to st... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at January 7, 2002, 3:41 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
My concern is with the demise of the OPA. Dealing with thieves like Golden Comps and Casino Extreme and Windows is hard enough as a group, forget trying to deal with them individually.
There will have to be some independent consumer group to act as a mechanism to mediate disputes between casinos (reputable) and players.
Casinos that are run by crooks cannot be reasoned with under any circumstances, unless they are somehow shut down. And I haven't heard of any jurisdiction rushing to do that.
I still remember the first time I made a wager online, I knew absolutely nothing about anything, certainly nothing about message boards. I was interested, but relied on the honesty of the casino.
There are thousands like me out there daily. The need and the interest is still there. Some ersion of the OPA will eventually come about.
So, what now?
AS
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TheAPage.com
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 7, 2002, 1:05 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Welcome aboard Joey, and good luck with your winnings.
Max and the crew at WOL seem to do a decent job of moderating their boards. They aren't always seen, but troublesome topics seem to be taken care of quickly. Given the amount of time this thread has been up, I am guessing that this subject is within their criteria.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
Quote: Originally Posted by joeyl:
What does the governor say?I mean,it is his/her board...Would'nt want to step on any toes,know what i mean?
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| Posted by: joeyl at January 7, 2002, 12:40 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
First and foremost..Hello,hi all,I am Joeyl,AKA Amandajm,AKA Jon..
I come in peace and to win some money...
Right,so this is where the discussion is at.I can't be talking to P4K about it cause thats not allowed over there.The thread has been deleted...
As it stands..Judging by this thread.All are not sure whether posting on this subject is even lawful or not.How about that being agreed on first?
What does the governor say?I mean,it is his/her board...Would'nt want to step on any toes,know what i mean?
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 7, 2002, 12:16 pm | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
I would agree Dov. Allegations like this on either side do nothing but fuel rumors, and even if it were true there is still the issue of who's business it is and what gives poster x the right to publicly note such information, particularly without sources. I would suggest posts containing such information be edited by the original poster, especially now that P4K has completely removed the thread from her board.
Dalzilla, all I can say is LOL. I was wondering who was making out like a bandit around here. Now I know it was Mrracetrack. LMAO. Just kidding Mr. Seriously, if any of you want to cut your losses by 90%, skip sending Dal and Mr $10, and send me $1. Paypal and Neteller accepted. haha.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
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| Posted by: dalzilla at January 7, 2002, 9:53 am | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Well, since I started this post, thought it was time to add my two cents (which by the way is about what I've made so far this week!) I'm going to admit that I am clueless about some of the posts/posters that have come out of the woodwork, so to speak, hammering on the OPA now that it is gone.
I'm sure there are a lot of personal agendas hidden (and not so hidden) in these posts and I'm not so sure that I'm willing to spend too much time trying to figure out what the heck is going on as far as these go.
One thing I've learned from this is to check the profile for registration date. Which is not to say that all newly registered posters have ulterior motives. In fact, some of the newer registrees have actually asked gambling related questions! GASP!
Speaking from a relatively newcomer perspective, I've quickly learned that (1)this board does have a certain integrity among its posters and it's pretty easy to figure out who they are, (2) there will always be some absolutely unbel... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nvaughan3 at January 7, 2002, 7:51 am | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
Steve is still around, in fact he was replying to emails as recently as yesterday. However, MY email to him regarding whether OPA computers have been seized has gone unanswered, and I can only wonder why he is refusing to clear up what is claimed are false rumors.
However, that not my main concern. On the 2nd, I posted to the official OPA forum (at their site). No answer for two days. Along comes OPAmary, so I ask her to answer it. Here is what I originally asked:
"There are statements on gambling boards on the net that you were accepting payment for services as recently the last week. Obviously, with problems dating back at least 2 months, its not hard to see that the apparent end of the OPA was not unexpected by at least some of the higher-ups.
My question: Will you refund subscription and renewal fees to those who do not feel that the OPA was of any service to them? If so, back to what date will you be willing to apply this to?" (and then on FB I said this-"... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dov at January 7, 2002, 4:33 am | | Topic: Changes at OPA ? Forum: Winner Online |
You're right -- P4K did take down the thread, and I am happy she did.
I think the posters on here who talked about criminal charges allegedly facing P4K and one of her ex-moderators should also remove them.
They have no place here and, as was cited above, merely serve to turn an excellent forum into a irtual National Enquirer.
(For you non-Americans, the National Enquirer is a newspaper sold only in supermarket check out lines. I have long felt that its sales go up sharply whenever the supermarket in question runs out of toilet paper.)
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