| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 17, 2002, 1:45 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
Even better. This is another good one to avoid, as well as to notify them why you are doing so.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
Quote: Originally Posted by jondo:
Might as well jump in here. Dennis Rodman opened a casino powered by RTG. I understand that he is actively involved and not just lending his name. The site is different as one would expect from Rodman.
This site and one other new RTG site I looked at have ery poor VP schedules.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at January 16, 2002, 12:44 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
Blue Eyes is one of my buddies, leaping to defend my honor. He's from the southern states of the US, and they are like that when it comes to ladies.
I agree completely that nobody should conduct themselves in any financial manner based solely on Internet postings from pseudonymous individuals!
But I also think that Casino Merlin was committing fraud in continuing to take deposits when they did not intend, or were not sure they could, pay winners.
The possibility of winning is the service that a customer purchases from a casino; this service was not received in this case.
Player have many factors to consider in this istance, such as their relationship with their credit card issuer, relationship with RTG casinos in general, etc.
I just want to say that in this case I think players have the ethical right to perform chargebacks, should they choose to do so.
How's that?
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| Posted by: buddyboy at January 16, 2002, 8:14 am | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
Blue eyes,
Calm down before you have a heart attack.
I'm sure Mary is a ery nice person, and only had the best intentions.
Most people that give advice on posting forums do.
As you have said she is well respected here, that is why I felt the need to make my comments. Some of her statements could have been misinterpeted.
I think Garyzimmer said it best:
"I have great respect for many of the contributors of posts to this board, but, where my money is concerned, I'm going to read and learn, and then make my own decisions."
That's good advice for everyone whether your getting guidence from the Internet or from a book in the library.
Oh, I have a question for you, why would you feel the need to defend someone else on this or any other forum? I was not attacking Mary, but by you "defending" her you made it seem that way.
Are you some kind of trouble maker?
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at January 16, 2002, 7:54 am | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
Not only are RTG and Safebet both located in Atlanta, they both use the same DNS.
Also, Michael Staw says that "he" was working with Casino Merlin for a resolution, but the email Safebet sent out says "they" were working on a resolution with Casino Merlin.
Seems obvious, but unstated, perhaps deliberately hidden, that Safebet is a mechanism of RTG, and in no way really represents a legitimate organization.
All those platinum, gold and silver seals would appear to be another money-making proposition.
AS
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 15, 2002, 11:25 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
BEA,
Ummm. Your intellect is showing again. I agree with your comments about Mary 100%, however, I didn't really see Buddy Boys comments as offensive towards anyone. In fact, it is good advise. Your comments, on the other hand, did nothing to contribute to the subject at any hand in any way, and carried your usual offensive tones. There's a reason why Mary's words carry so much weight. Several actually, but one of them is the way in which she conducts herself. Perhaps you could take a lesson from her in this regard.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
~*~ Thinking BEA's demeaner is strangly familiar ~*~
Quote: Originally Posted by Blue Eyes Austin:
Buddy Boy:
Stick it in your ass.
Mary is one of the most respected members of the online gambling community. What she says carries weight.
What casino are you pimping for boy?
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 15, 2002, 11:20 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
I just got a subscription email from Ante Up/Gambling Links advertising the new Gamblers Lobby Casino, which, of course, is powered by RTG. I would suggest avoiding opening an account until things settle here and RTG shows how they handle the situation. In addition to this, I would email Gamblers Lobby to tell them the reason why they are not getting your business.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
P.S. It will also be helpful to click these links. If they get enough hits from it, they'll isit the url for this thread to see what's generating the hits, and will know that the traffic isn't positive.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at January 15, 2002, 10:12 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at January 15, 2002, 9:44 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
Any players who opened an account at this casino as a result of their listing at Safebet, and later lost funds from this site, should also look into local laws for Safebet and RTG to see if they qualify as a neglegent offender. If so, they can be held liable themselves, and not be able to slither away so easily.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at January 15, 2002, 8:00 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
What's the url to The Casino Online? I must be typing in the wrong thing.
Anyway, not that it matters, but RTG casinos share their chargeback database, so that anyone would be barred from other RTG casinos.
Also, I believe that the time limit for chargebacks is six months, isn't it? Vor those who have been cheated out of your winnings/returns on credit cards, this is an alternative.
But I also believe that the key is to pressure RTG/Safebet to cover these losses by Casino Merlin. They benefited from the fees Casino Merlin paid them. An increase with the upgraded software.
Casino Extreme is also stiffing their affiliates as well as their players. They may only be hanging on by a thread as well, though I tend to think of them as crooks more than anything else. Them and Golden Comps.
AS
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| Posted by: garyzimmer at January 15, 2002, 7:58 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
I don't believe Mary or anyone else respected on this board, is going to advise the abandonment of reason in regard to crucial decisions, based on their word alone.
I have great respect for many of the contributors of posts to this board, but, where my money is concerned, I'm going to read and learn, and then make my own decisions.
Ending up on a blackballed 'list' because of a chargeback is a gamble. Imagine that, gamblers on this board!
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| Posted by: PlayTheOdds at January 15, 2002, 3:54 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
I'm sure that Mary was not suggesting chargebacks for people who have gambled and lost their deposits. She is suggesting it for those of us who won but have not received our winnings because Merlin is apparently defunct. Unfortunately, my $500 deposit was made way back in September so I don't think the bank will support me in a chargeback request. In my case, Merlin did not even return my deposit, let alone my winnings.
I'm a little less depressed after getting the Safebet email described in this thread. I know they have a poor reputation on this board, but let's try to hold them to their stated efforts to "negotiate the return of deposits and perhaps some winnings". They have publicly stated that will try to facilitate an acceptable resolution. We need to keep reminding them of their commitment.
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| Posted by: Trader at January 15, 2002, 10:20 am | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
A chargeback won't help me. Merlin refunded the deposit in only 2 days. I am not planning to spend the money I won there anytime soon. Just from the people who post here, they owe some pretty sizable amounts. Don't look for RTG to do anything unless they get hurt from the loss of confidence soon.
I have withdrawn all my balances at RTG casinos and will not make another deposit until they take some positive action. Main Street Vegas Group has been paying in about 30 days and they now owe me more than $4400. I hope they stay in business long enough to make another round of payouts.
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| Posted by: buddyboy at January 15, 2002, 8:16 am | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
Charging back a credit card transaction should not be done lightly.
It's scary to think that people would follow the direction and advice of some person on the Internet.
If you did not receive the goods or services that you paid for by credit card, and can not resolve the situation with the merchant, by all means contact your credit card company and file a chargeback.
But if you made a deposit by creditcard with an online casino, got your chips and lost. Do not chargeback. That is fraud on your part.
Consult with your lawyer before following the advice of someone you met on the Internet. They may mean well, but it is not their butt on the line, it's yours.
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| Posted by: Jydeman at January 15, 2002, 12:14 am | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
"Thank You for isiting WorldPlay Casino.
We are sorry to inform you that WorldPlay Casino is no longer in operation."
Don't know if Worldplay used to be unSafeBet certified. If they did - I'm sure we will soon have another statement from unSafebet - telling they terminated World Plays membership. Perhaps it will go out in the same pressrelease where they warn the players against depositing at Merlin.
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at January 14, 2002, 11:37 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
"Safebet could have done something much earlier about Casino Merlin and they didn't. Safebet should be requiring their "members" to not participate in the OCMA, but they don't."
I have posted numerous negative
comments in the past about Safebet, and
what a "sorry group" they are.
This is another perfect example
of the "joke" that Safebet really is!
Many RTG casino's are having
"problems" at this time, and it
wouldn't be surprising to me to
see a few more of them go the
same route as Casino Merlin.
Safebet has done NOTHING to offer
honest players ANY real protection
or support in dealing with their
"certified" bunch of casino's,
yet they "imply" on their website
that this "certified rating"
is a "guarantee" of a safe, and
well funded casino. Bull $hit!!
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| Posted by: Jetset at January 14, 2002, 11:19 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
This smacks of one of those "cover-ass" statements and I wonder how far RTG will go to compensate aggrieved players? We'll see but this overt show of consumer sensitivity is a first for them as far as I know. Maybe they are belatedly getting the message???
One has to ask - if so many others not in close association with Casino Merlin could see the writing on the wall why couldn't the licensor?
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at January 14, 2002, 10:48 pm | | Topic: Casino Merlin goes under; Safebet announces no longer a member; Mary says Charge Back Forum: Winner Online |
Ordinarily I wouldn't advise doing chargebacks, but you know what? Safebet could have done something much earlier about Casino Merlin and they didn't. Safebet should be requiring their "members" to not participate in the OCMA, but they don't.
Chargebacks will make credit card processors give RTG more scrutiny, which, at this point, they richly deserve.
>>>>>>>>>>
SafeBet regrets to announce that Casino Merlin is no longer
a Member. Due to business concerns, the software provider
pulled its software from the operator and the site is
currently closed.
If you played and/or deposited at this casino, according
to the new SafeBet statute of limitations (see Standards
of Fairness: www.safebet.org/html/standards.html )
you have only until February 11th, 2002 to submit a
dispute. SafeBet is working with the software provider
to negotiate the return of deposits and perhaps some
winnings.
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