| Posted by: Jetset at February 7, 2002, 10:25 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
A brief postscript. The three exec committee "wolves" guarding the OPA "henhouse" door are overseen by an extremely active 30 plus Players Advisory Board which includes some of the most experienced, hard headed and pragmatic online players around. These are people who genuinely want to assist other gamblers but require anonymity in so doing.
To imply that the OPA committee is in this worthwhile project as some sort of scam is not only grossly inaccurate but insulting to people who are putting in a lot of unpaid effort for the benefit of all.
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| Posted by: Jetset at February 7, 2002, 10:16 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Well put, Fairbet and I can think of several other portals that have the same philosophy and are therefore genuinely useful to players.
Just as there are good casinos and bad casinos, and for that matter good players and less honest players there are many crumby portals out there ...but there are also some excellent operations. To use a well worn cliche you can't simply tar them all with the same brush.
Fortunately most gamblers learn quickly to suss out the better casinos and the better portals that they can use to their advantage.
The OPA would like to help in that process because its primary purpose is to protect its members.
Mary has already pointed out that I do not have a portal or a website and that I am an independent online gambling consultant and webcaster for CasinoGazette in my spare time. The latter position is, incidentally unpaid.
Grantt, I truly appreciate your effort in keeping this thread so alive, because it enables us to keep the OPA in ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FairBet at February 7, 2002, 3:40 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Jagwars, that is an easy argument to make, but it is not always true. We have bumped many casinos in the past for falling short of the mark (some that paid us plenty) and we have refused TONS of people with their wallet out.
There are plenty of good casinos out there, there is no reason to promote crap. We've also helped many people with legitimate complaints at our site. I don't see any reason why the new OPA (with the correct “order” of operation) cannot accomplish the same thing. The order is real easy:
1. Devise a system and apply it without exception to each site you test.
2. If the site is worthy, you ALLOW them to advertise with you
3. If they refuse to address legitimate concerns / problems, you bump them.
Refusing to bump a casino that stinks will only hurt the portals rep in the long run...so anybody can understand the logic here. (IE: You can reduce the motive of doing a good job for players to nothing more than a good "dollars and SENSE" argument... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The Original Mary at February 7, 2002, 10:37 am | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Actually, I think we do guys. Jetset doesn't have a website that advertises any casinos, but he does consulting work. Casino Gazette is a portal. Casinomeister is a portal. I have no portal and do no paid work in this industry, yet.
We did try to run an OPA that did not get significant income from sales of advertising to casinos, but from player memberships. That limited things.
We've asked for players to olunteer to be on the OPA Executive Committee throughout the existence of the OPA.
Some problems emerged:
*To have credibility, the OPA President needs to use his/her legal name. Players weren't willing to do that.
*For players, this is a hobby. They have day jobs. They don't have the time for this job.
*Some of the players who would have been good for this have started portals!
The OPA is not claiming to replace regulatory agencies, and not concealing any portal relationships. We aren't regulated, licensed, credentialed, anointed, knigh... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jagwars at February 7, 2002, 5:51 am | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
You guys are making a mistake having people who run/manage the OPA directly involved with taking money from the ery casinos they are supposed to be keeping an eye on. If Jetset wishes to help by providing the OPA free space on his website that would be great.
That was one of the main problems with the original OPA.
Casino protal Webmasters are fine but they have a MAJOR conflict of interest and they should not be involved directly with the OPA.
It is much more profitable for these guys to blow of a few players who have complaints as nuts then to lose their cash cows (casinos) as advertisers. Why do you guys think gambling.com continued to allow Golden Palace to advertise with them? Was it because there was no evidence of some ery odd things going? Of course not. IS gambling.com a good site? Yes it is BUT THEY CHOOSE THE CASH OVER THE PLAYERS INTERESTS AND SO WOULD MANY OF THEM. Because without the cash they have no website and trust me that comes before any complaint any player will make. | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: grantt at February 6, 2002, 9:15 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset incidentally I think mr. racetrack or myself have never been associated with a corupt casino either. Can't you ever just answer the questions with a straight answer. I appreciate the replies from those that did.
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| Posted by: Jetset at February 6, 2002, 9:06 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Grantt, the reason I suggested you familiarise yourself with the OPA structure and objectives (and incidentally I think mr. racetrack has a better grasp of the situation than yourself)is that your posts indicate to me that you believe we're trying to become the official "regulators" of internet gambling.
Whilst that is a lofty and laudable objective it is too much for us to shoot for. I have already stated above what our more modest ambitions are.
Regarding your other question, any casino may apply, and they will receive an equally thorough scrutiny by the exec committee and by the Players' Advisory Board and - ultimately - by a Casino Managers Advisory when we have set that up. If they meet the requirements they will be accepted.
The more well-funded, honest and fast-paying casinos we have as members the better, just as the more honest players we have on board the better.
Mike tells me the membership applications in both categories are coming in at a grat... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The Original Mary at February 6, 2002, 7:26 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
As far as I can tell, World Gaming has had such a complete turnover of executives they really aren't Starnet anymore. grantt, do you have any idea of which World casinos have the longest operating histories?
I have no clue, thought you might know.
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| Posted by: Casino Gazette at February 6, 2002, 6:55 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Hello Grant,
I met up with the World Gaming staff in London and talked at length with them re their new business model, they seemed genuine that their new management team are go getters and we discussed inviting them on the air to tell the World how they have changed and more so what changes they have made, they cordially invited me to their London offices to see for myself the changes they have made.
Alas after the London show I emailed all their staff who gave me their details but not one reply have I had, which is a shame as I understood they would have probably benefitted from it all.
So Arlene Mitcham and Spencer Duligall from World Gaming if your reading this get intouch
and Grantt I would have liked to have isited them in their London HQ/offices and then would have presented my findings to the Players advisory board and maybe yes they would have been approved by everyone, but if they dont get in touch what can I do?? I cant force them to talk to the World
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| Posted by: grantt at February 6, 2002, 12:05 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Mmracetrack
I apologize if somewhere along the line I gave you the impression your opinion matters to me. You are intitled to your point of iew regardless of what that might be. The fact that it is so opposed to mine makes me feel all the more confident that mine is correct.
Jetset I'm aware of what a self proposed watch dog is and how they oprerate hence my point of iew. Many on here are not ie. Mmracetrack with his blinders and hey he can live and learn.
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| Posted by: Jetset at February 6, 2002, 3:15 am | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Grantt, I say again - please take the trouble to find out about the OPA, it's structure and what it's objectives are before you sound off.
Summarised those are to improve relationships between honest players and casinos of substance which are fair and pay on time, and assist players who get into difficulties with casinos which do not pay on time or deviate from their T&C's.
As a player I would think that you would want to be a part of something like that. There is strength in numbers as the OPA has proved in the past.
ZeeGambler we're working on the website and have used Mike's CasinoGazette site to draft copy with input from the Advisory Boards to get the OPA back dealing with player hassles as soon as possible.
The first e-newsletter with all the details will be out shortly.
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at February 6, 2002, 12:02 am | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Grantt,
You stated "You will use the only power that you have to try to rectify casinos disputes which is essentially blackmail (You pay or I will post nasty things about you on our site)"
Isn't that exactly what YOU did when you
had your beef with Playersonly?
You posted on at least 10 different boards
how you got "ripped off", trashed the sportsbook for weeks, and even though
98% of other posters disagreed with you,
you continued to "post nasty things"
about them, and now you claim this is
how the OPA will deal with problem
casino's.
I doubt the OPA will resort to dealing
with casino's in the same manner that
you chose, as they probably wouldn't
want to run the risk of becoming
a "laughingstock", which is the status
you attained on the Prescription forum
due to your 3 week long, 7 page manifesto.
And since I've chosen to oppose your
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| Posted by: grantt at February 5, 2002, 11:05 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
I'm going to drop this because I could careless either way.
You have plenty of sheep in your heard and good luck. Just don't expect everyone to buy into that you are the internets online gaming regulator or authority. Some of us know that you are just a couple of guys that threw up a website and are in no way shape or form a internet gaming governing body.
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| Posted by: zrapture at February 5, 2002, 9:42 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
JetSet and others:
Pay Grantt no mind. He's just being himself. The world is not a perfect place. Unfortunately there are people like Grantt in every facet of life, there is nothing that can be done to prevent them. Just have to try to ignore them the best you can. Just one of the little annoyances in life.
Anyone who has been a member here for while knows how to seperate the quality posters from the instigators.
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| Posted by: grantt at February 5, 2002, 9:33 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset let me know how I am misinformed.
You will charge for casinos to advertise on your site. You will use the only power that you have to try to rectify casinos disputes which is essentially blackmail (You pay or I will post nasty things about you on our site)
You are actually far less regulated, licensed, legitimate than the casinos you pretend to over see. Lets also get one point straight the online casino industry is 100% I’m going to repeat that 100% unregulated and for you to come on here and make believe otherwise I find insulting. Jetset good luck on the internets 1200th casino portal and I hope you get lots of advertisers. When one of the sites you claim as solid and respectable go under we can all watch as you pull your tent pegs and disappear as well with no explanation.
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| Posted by: Jetset at February 5, 2002, 8:39 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks,all - I will certainly do my best and it's looking like a ery good team at the moment.
The Players Advisory Board is about thirty strong and comprises respected and ery experienced, no-nonsense players to give the day-to-day management advice and keep us on our toes. So far I'm seeing good, hard-headed thinking from them and I am ery encouraged by the way things are going and by the calibre of casinos lining up to be part of this much improved body.
But the heart of the OPA will be you guys - the members so please make sure you "re-enlist" or join up !
One of my priorities will be to better communicate with the members and you will be receiving the first e-newsletter shortly. The CasinoGazette site also has a wealth of information on all aspects of the OPA and its new format and I urge you to look at that too.
Grantt - well done my friend - predictable as ever and just as uninformed. Please go across and familiarize yourself with how the OPA is to wo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CasinoNow at February 5, 2002, 5:28 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
If you were to compare OPA triumphs over law enforcement, the OPA would be shutting them out, which isn't bad considering the authorities have been able to pull off a couple of big arrests. Although, I must remark that it is genuinely sad that an independant group such as this has to be forced to fill in and to the authorities' jobs (not that it's the focus of the gorup) while the politicians bicker over what they think things should be like.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
Quote: Originally Posted by grantt:
If you like someone totally bias heading up another so called watched dog site he's a great choice. What's advertising going to cost on your casino portal, I mean watchdog site. Let me see the government and police can't watch over and enforce but you can. You guys saying your casino police is like me saying I’m out there on the streets making sure no one gets ripped off when they by their drugs.
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| Posted by: Casino Gazette at February 5, 2002, 4:59 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
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If you like someone totally bias heading up another so called watched dog site he's a great choice. What's advertising going to cost on your casino portal, I mean watchdog site. Let me see the government and police can't watch over and enforce but you can. You guys saying your casino police is like me saying I’m out there on the streets making sure no one gets ripped off when they by their drugs.
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I feel like a psycic;
By Mike on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 01:11 am: Edit
Sign ups are shooting up in number already
I can tell when a post has been made somewhere about the opa as my inbox grows
good to see some comments by posters at wol
maybe we should wait for grantt and his ilk to post hehe<... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: grantt at February 5, 2002, 4:18 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
If you like someone totally bias heading up another so called watched dog site he's a great choice. What's advertising going to cost on your casino portal, I mean watchdog site. Let me see the government and police can't watch over and enforce but you can. You guys saying your casino police is like me saying I’m out there on the streets making sure no one gets ripped off when they by their drugs.
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at February 5, 2002, 4:04 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
I beleive it is good news. Jetset has always be upfront about his associations and overall, I think his membership with the OPA is ery good for both players and casinos.
Dirk
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| Posted by: Dann at February 5, 2002, 2:46 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset is one of the radio hosts over at Casino Gazette, right? If I were a casino operator, that's one guy I wouldn't want to piss off. And to think, he'll be part of the OPA. That's great news!
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| Posted by: CasinoNow at February 5, 2002, 2:01 pm | | Topic: JET SET = ONE OF THE NEW OPA MANAGERS Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset has proven himself to be a wealth of knowledge, and I could only see it as good news.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
Quote: Originally Posted by icemen:
IS THAT GOOD OR BAD NEWS ???
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