| Posted by: caruso at February 9, 2002, 3:12 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
I don't want to pour cold water on my own MG concerns, but having checked my results of doubles and splits combined (I got lazy early on in the record keeping), they currently stand at fractionally over 60 - 40, a little ahead of expectation; even the crap session results show average to decent returns on the splits and doubles; at only three casinos I seem to have finished behind on them, and these were miniscule sessions.
Never double against 10 or Ace, and throw 9 . 2 into the melting pot for good measure, and, it seems, you'll do OK.
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| Posted by: Blue Eyes Austin at February 9, 2002, 11:50 am | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
I've played a lot of Microgaming BJ and my results are pretty much within EV...but it sure seems like I get a lot more face cards when hitting 12 then when I double on 11s.
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| Posted by: Trader v1.1 at February 9, 2002, 11:41 am | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
This particular issue has been discussed before, but for the sake of those who have not seen it before, I will repeat it. Correct basic strategy for Microgaming blackjack is a little different than other software because of the European hole card rule. You should not double against dealer's ten or ace--EVER, even if you have eleven. If you have been doing it, you are costing yourself money. Check out the individual charts for the different software brands at the Wizard of Odds. His link is at the bottom of this page.
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| Posted by: garyz at February 8, 2002, 8:32 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
Once again, I am ery suspicious of the RNG's!
Doubling, conventionally, following a rigid basic strategy, has not worked for me in online gaming. I only double against a 'break card'. Each must do what they feel works for them. I have the scars to prove I tried it. No luck!
I know I'm beating a dead horse, but the most continually galling experience in this game is not being able to win with '20'!
Others may not be having this experience but I'm beginning to believe that it has nothing to do with software and am almost 'convinced' that their is some sort of strange being inside my computer that has a way of 'insuring' that I will lose or push with almost every '20' hand I get!
I don't want to hear any paranoia comments, either!
I won't be posting much tomorrow, I have an appointment with my analyst.
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| Posted by: Dann at February 8, 2002, 8:19 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso:
Dann - if you played a hundred doubles and were still showing a loss, the warning bells might start ringing; after a thousand, you've got about as much chance of winning the lottery as you have of being behind. Hands yes, doubles no.
I'm not talking about people playing perfect basic strategy. The average Joe Schmoe makes enough mistakes with their doubles/splits that it's a losing situation.
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| Posted by: Gamerz at February 8, 2002, 8:11 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
While I've done exceptionally crappy, as a rule at MG BJ, you have too small of a run to judge by.
I have gotten really paranoid at doubling, so just choose to hit, anytime the dealer is showing a 9-A and I have 10 or 11. In most cases, my instinct has been correct, against those cards. I can't remember many times I wished I had doubled. I've not kept track of the numbers, but most of the time, I end up with a small card, if would have been double and the dealer would have made a hand.
I have salvaged several hands and won, being able to hit.
I also feel at some point there is a take down mode that kicks in and you can't overcome it.
The issue with regard to the double down has been my only modification to basic strategy with MG. I can only say I have not lost as much as I would have, had I doubled. I've probably played 15,000 hands of MG BJ.
I've never been able to beat it, except once or twice, but not for much money.
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| Posted by: mecsrc at February 8, 2002, 7:58 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
What I'm really after is other people's experience. I'm sure other people have played MG BJ. Did you win more doubles than you lost or ice ersa? That's all. I'm not claiming my experience is a alid sample. That's ridiculous. But I've played at several MG casinos and I would suggest my experience is that of losing more doubles than winning. If 20 other players checked in with the same experience, maybe that would mean something (although it would be close to a gambling heresy to suggest such a thing). If 20 other players checked in and said they didn't notice anything out of the ordinary that would mean something too. I'm sure a lot of players keep track of their play. I wonder what their experience is.
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| Posted by: caruso at February 8, 2002, 6:30 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
Dann - if you played a hundred doubles and were still showing a loss, the warning bells might start ringing; after a thousand, you've got about as much chance of winning the lottery as you have of being behind. Hands yes, doubles no.
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| Posted by: joeyl at February 8, 2002, 6:26 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
I don't play blackjack as a rule,but i notice alot of people complain of ery similar things when regarding the b/j at micro.
Has anyone like the Wizard or Gamemaster checked this "phenomenon" in a batch size worthy of drawing any conclusions on,as far as anyone knows?
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| Posted by: caruso at February 8, 2002, 6:24 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
If by "0-6" you mean six lost out of six played, c'est la ie. That happen's, in the most "random" game; happens every day.
That said, I do not believe that Microgaming deals a random game; but you cannot really draw that conclusion from six lost doubles.
BTW, the average return on doubles is about 20%; in other words, for every 10 resolved you should win about six. Maybe that helps to put it in context - they're probably a closer call than you think.
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| Posted by: Dann at February 8, 2002, 6:16 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
That's too small of a sample to form an opinion. You could literary play hundreds - if not thousands - of double downs, and you'd end up with a loss. It's the nature of the beast. However, you're pretty safe with MG software. Heck, it's probably safer than some of the crooked land-based joints.
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| Posted by: mecsrc at February 8, 2002, 5:32 pm | | Topic: Doubling at Microgaming BJ Forum: Winner Online |
So don't the gambling gurus say that when the cards say to double in BJ, you hold the advantage and should win a majority of the bets. Why am I looking at 0-6 at in my current session? I've read other similar comments. So what's the erdict, players? I'm sure a majority of you have played Microgaming BJ and have killed on your doubles. I'd like to hear about it so I can think there's still a God in heaven. I'm sure there's at least one of you anyway. All you semi-anonymous players out there, has doubling worked out for you at the MG BJ?
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