| Posted by: dykker at February 12, 2002, 4:45 am | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by VegasLobby:
It seems like a lot of Casino Operators have a problem with the danes..... they say its bonus abusing. come and play calculated, delete the caisno, and never come back...
thats not how they can stay in business
That does not defend the casinos at all!! When other casinos (read Cryptologic and Microgaming for example) exclude Danes, they pay out every single customers account balance (both deposits and winnings).
The RTG casinos do the following: Players who have lost recieve nothing, players who have won receive nothing (not even deposits)...
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| Posted by: Gamerz at February 6, 2002, 6:14 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
At least you can win on RTG. I've found that near impossible with MG blackjack. It is a shame that when you play an RTG casino, the bets aren't the only gamble you take.
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| Posted by: scaven at February 6, 2002, 2:24 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
RTG is a shame too, because its software is one of the best , if not THE best, in terms of speed of play and graphics, but there always seem to be a problem with RTG casinos payment practices
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| Posted by: jondo at February 6, 2002, 12:28 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Vegas Lobby, you posted:
You guys are absolutely nuts for blaming RTG still for slow payouts, it is obvious that it is the casinos itself, RTG should not even have a complaint place – does Boss? Unified? Cyrpto? MG?.
You must remember that this is an "unregulated" industry. If it was regulated similar to land based jurisdictions
there would not be the gamblers lobby, the twin aces or even RTG. They would not be able to obtain the necessary license.
The Industry has chosen to promote an image of "Self-Regulation".
It soon became evident that Licensed in Antigua, Costa Rica,etc offered no protection for the players that were being ripped off.
Next came the member organizations, the IGC, Safebet,Gambling Commission and their seals of approval pretending to be a regulating authority. What a bunch of BS.
RTG has failed in their committment to "self regulation". You commend them for coming forward, well, I condemn for licens... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: VegasLobby at February 6, 2002, 9:09 am | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
It seems like a lot of Casino Operators have a problem with the danes..... they say its bonus abusing. come and play calculated, delete the caisno, and never come back...
thats not how they can stay in business
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http://www.vegaslobby.com
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| Posted by: dykker at February 6, 2002, 6:06 am | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
egaslobby: what does interest me is ensuring that all the players requesting payouts at Twin Aces Casino are paid.
Could you please make the thieves pay the Danes then?
Just like TVS, Twin Aces have stolen thousands and thousands of dollars from the Danes.
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| Posted by: VegasLobby at February 6, 2002, 12:22 am | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Oh and my real apologies for KEV
CONGRATSSSSSSS
Can you login to one of my accounts, I will deposit 1000 and split the profits, if they pay - LOL
oh and I got paid from Twin aces casino too check sent less than one week after erification (which I totally approve of, since so many people are abusing the system) and got 1250.00 in winnings.
Player ID JBESS
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| Posted by: VegasLobby at February 6, 2002, 12:16 am | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Ok, Ladies and Gentleman,
Allow me to introduce myself once again. My name is Joel Bess, I am a compulsive gambler, and overeater and alcoholic.... so during one of my relapses I gave Marty my Login, and told him “post what you want”
You guys are absolutely nuts for blaming RTG still for slow payouts, it is obvious that it is the casinos itself, RTG should not even have a complaint place – does Boss? Unified? Cyrpto? MG?.
So give them a lot of credit for steeping up to the plate and helping you people with the casino operators.
KUDOS for you Marty for Stepping in and adding you two sense…. Oh, and Max, IP Check please to erify that Marty is not the same IP address as where I always post
Let me explain my relationship, so we don’t have a breach or conflict of interest.
I own Vegas Lobby
I own Shockwave Marketing
I am a consultant for SCC Group
I gamble online - most likely more than anyone here.
I do a lot of advertising for a lot of ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at February 5, 2002, 9:29 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
This whole business is ery "deceptive". Not only the matter of players having to go through a "special connection" to get paid, but also the idea that Vegas Lobby is promoting themselves as an "independent" and "impartial" referrer to the players who isit.
Does this not seem "unethical"? It does to me, and the "shield" of "confidentiality" is not proof against deception.
You should clearly state your relationship to the casinos you represent!!
And if your players at Twin Aces, or any other casino you make payouts for, must email you personally to assure they will be paid, that should also be clearly stated as well.
I am so sick and tired of Casino Managers/Owners who think players should be "GRATEFUL" for being paid their money!! IT IS THE CASINO'S OBLIGATION TO PAY WINNERS!! NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO HUNT ANYONE DOWN, AND BEG, IN ORDER TO COLLECT THEIR WINNINGS!!
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| Posted by: Jetset at February 5, 2002, 9:03 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
This web of relationships just gets more and more interesting...more please! I see that Vegas Casino Online is apparently powered by...RTG.
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at February 5, 2002, 3:31 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Hello Marti,
If Mary is not interested in talking to you (I'm sure she is) then I certainly am. The readers at my site are quite concerned abou the "goings on" at Twin Aces, and RTG as a whole.
You mention "confidential matters", but I would hope that portal owners, as well as casino owners, would like to be transparent in their management/ownership to their players. This business of hiding one's identity over a medium that is world-wide is ery disturbing.
A player should not have to do other than "cahs out" through the software, to be assured of receiving their money. For it to be otherwise, is a bad mark on the integrity of any business.
How many players do not have your email address and are patiently (or impatiently) waiting for their money. How many people have cashed out today, made deposits today, believing that when they make a withdrawal, it will be honored in a timely fashion.
Not making players aware of this "poli... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The Original Mary at February 5, 2002, 3:25 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
OK, that's fine Marty. It's enough for me to know that they are Vegas Lobby and Paid to Gamble aren't independent or impartial portals with respect to reviews or promoting Gamblers Lobby or Twin Aces.
Don't need any details that would iolate any business contracts.
Thanks for stepping in with personal oversight on this matter, the most important thing is getting players paid!
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| Posted by: VegasLobby at February 5, 2002, 3:05 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Concerning the relationship between Vegas Lobby, PaidtoGamble,Gamblers Lobby and Twin Aces Casino, it is not my place to discuss confidential issues on a message board, however, what does interest me is ensuring that all the players requesting payouts at Twin Aces Casino are paid. If you have questions pertaining to this issue do contact me ia email and I will address your concerns promptly, again my email is martyj12@home.com, Thanks.
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| Posted by: Kev at February 5, 2002, 12:41 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Come on Mary, you know you were asking questions and insinuating in a manner that sought to elicit information from me that would "prove your case" that I wasn't legit. That's prosecutorial, not friendly. If I am wrong about that I apologize. I am perfectly fine discussing issues in a friendly manner which is why I congratulated you on your impressive win at some unnamed Microgaming casino.
As to prior complaints by people, airing them is certainly their right, but I don't think that should bar me from thanking Twin Aces for the positive experience I had there. Those are mutually exclusive issues.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at February 5, 2002, 12:11 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
"Prosecutorial"?
Hmm, we often have discussions about where we play; some consider it friendly.
I would appreciate Marty returning to address questions about the relationship between:
Vegas Lobby (portal, posted previously as Joel Bess, denied close relationship with Gamblers Lobby and Twin Aces, now represented by Marty)
Gamblers Lobby(casino)
Twin Aces(casino, but wire sent to player by Marty)
PaidtoGamble (portal, referenced as demonstrating player support for Gamblers Lobby)
As a new poster, Kev, you may not be aware of Vegas Lobby's previous history of deceptive posts promoting casinos and of harrassing many longtime posters on this board.
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| Posted by: Kev at February 5, 2002, 12:43 am | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Mary, your persistence is to be admired but your prosecutorial abilities could use some sharpening; you're much too obvious in your questioning. You asked do I play microgaming casinos. Well of course not, I'm a shill why would I play at the competition?
Actually I have played a couple microgaming casinos, Lucky Nugget comes to mind as a place that has treated me well. Not really as dramatic an outcome as Twin Aces though.
As to the wire, my bank is Bank of America, the originating bank was Republic Bank Limited. The originating bank deducted a wire transfer fee of $15 which caused me some confusion because the transfer amount was $4985 rather than an even $5000 with no separate line item for the $15 on my statement. I had to call to clarify this. As to the originating party my statement provides:
-Originating Party-
Name: Rbl T and T Cayman
Ben Info: /xxx/xx000000x/0
Marty Jensen
Is that enough minutiae for you?
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| Posted by: DOHCVTEC at February 4, 2002, 11:38 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Mary, regarding the wire, it really depends on your bank. Our statements actually do show the name of the individual/business where the money came from. Your bank(s) maybe only show numbers. It's ariable.
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| Posted by: Gamerz at February 4, 2002, 11:32 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Mary, it could not have been Goldenreef, could it have been? Man, that has been the worst casino for me. I have had to shake myself a few times to believe the bad luck I've had there, time after time, after time, playing BJ. It never seems to go more than 2 wins my way, but the dealer is grabing more BJ's and multi card 21's than I have ever seen! The last 6 times I have played there, the dealer is beating me 10-2 at best.
A player going in there with $100 and betting 50c should finaly be able to get some good hands and get ahead maybe a little. I've never been able to get up at all there.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at February 4, 2002, 11:09 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
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The one just posting as Vegas Lobby is none other than Marty Jensen who was the one who got involved with my cash-out and really made things happen fast for me. You're in good hands. In fact, I noticed it was his name as beneficiary on the account that wired the cash to me. Obviously we're not talking a low level casino rep here. [/B]
That's funny. Bank wires on my statements don't usually have individual's names on them; usually a code and a business name.
Why is a high-level casino rep posting as Vegas Lobby, a portal? As I recall, the last representative from Vegas Lobby did not want to discuss the relationship between Vegas Lobby and Twin Aces.
Now Vegas Lobby (portal) is writing checks for Twin Aces (casino)? And here I thought they were just hosted on the same servers...along with Gamblers Lobby(casino).
No wonder we were confused when Vegas Lobby (portal) started a thread in defense of Twin Aces (casino) and Gamblers Lobby(casino)...
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| Posted by: DOHCVTEC at February 4, 2002, 10:16 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Well, here's to hoping. Twin Aces still owes me $2228 from a cashout on 11/04/01. Still no word on the check and I don't even know my position in the "queue".
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| Posted by: Kev at February 4, 2002, 9:59 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Come on Santos do you really expect anyone to believe you that Twin Aces is going to pay you!? Do you take us for a bunch of babbling imbeciles who just fell off the turnip truck? You're obviously a casino shill pawning happy thoughts with no substance whatsoever.
Seriously, I realize you haven't got the money in your hands yet but it looks like you will real soon, I'm happy for you. The one just posting as Vegas Lobby is none other than Marty Jensen who was the one who got involved with my cash-out and really made things happen fast for me. You're in good hands. In fact, I noticed it was his name as beneficiary on the account that wired the cash to me. Obviously we're not talking a low level casino rep here.
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| Posted by: SantosCruz at February 4, 2002, 9:24 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks Vegas Lobby, I may just take you up on your offer. I will see what happens this week. Twin Aces has said they will send checks this week, so I may not need your help
Santos
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| Posted by: Gamerz at February 4, 2002, 6:08 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
this is difficult on casino on net, their dealer is a reaper if you know what i mean ...
Tell me about it! We won't go there this time.
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| Posted by: Felo at February 4, 2002, 6:01 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamerz:
Well, I wanted to play real hard, so I started with $2000 in fun money a couple days ago, at an RTG I will not disclose at this time, but I am now up to $22,000. This is after being up to 12,700, hitting an awful cold streak taking me down to 3800, then ramp betting with $25 base bet. I've had some 8+ winning hands in a row. My biggest bet has been $275 so far, which was a record 11 wins in a row.
I've never been comfortable betting like that with my own money, but now I can see where what Ke has done is not impossible.
Some of you who are closed minded on the issue need to realize that in the short run, anything can happen. Cards can get out of line, against the house, and stay there for long enough, that an agressive player on a streak like that can really hit them good. Those kind of streaks don't come along often, but they do.
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| Posted by: Gamerz at February 4, 2002, 5:53 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Well, I wanted to play real hard, so I started with $2000 in fun money a couple days ago, at an RTG I will not disclose at this time, but I am now up to $22,000. This is after being up to 12,700, hitting an awful cold streak taking me down to 3800, then ramp betting with $25 base bet. I've had some 8+ winning hands in a row. My biggest bet has been $275 so far, which was a record 11 wins in a row.
I've never been comfortable betting like that with my own money, but now I can see where what Ke has done is not impossible.
Some of you who are closed minded on the issue need to realize that in the short run, anything can happen. Cards can get out of line, against the house, and stay there for long enough, that an agressive player on a streak like that can really hit them good. Those kind of streaks don't come along often, but they do.
I won over $7000 at Blackwidow one time, which started out as a $25 investment that hit a $150 jackpot on their nickel slots. That went to the BJ table ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vickinz at February 4, 2002, 5:35 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Gee Kev, what a thrill it must've been to win all those $500 bets. RTG is the only software on which I have sometimes bet $500US a hand ($1250 in my own currency) starting with just $100 deposit, doing the occasional double or split as well. What a BUZZ when it makes it through. Trouble is, I've never had them go through for as long as they did for you, so I inevitably "bite the dust" on several occasions, but worth the risk!
It's good to read "success" stories such as yours as it gives us the hope of what IS possible! Wow, if I won $50,000US, that would be $125,000NZ!
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| Posted by: VegasLobby at February 4, 2002, 5:19 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
This email is in response to Santoscruz and anyone else who is expecting a payout from Twin Aces Casino. If you do not have your money or a cheque has not been issued to you by Friday, Feb 8th email me at martyj12@home.com and I will review your file (be sure to include you players ID). Thanks, Marty.
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| Posted by: Felo at February 4, 2002, 4:42 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by scaven:
someone PLEASE delete this post.
this guy must think we are all STOOPID!
Scaven - isnt it kind of depressing to be such a negative element ?
Give the guy a rest, and if you dont beleive him, its your right, but let others give their point of iew, i personally beleive Kevin.
If you dont, well thats up to you, just dont be so damn border-line-reactive and let him participate as well on the forum.
Congrats Kevin, i personally have been paid every single time by Twin Aces, yes they have delays but i get paid. Just like on Casino on Net, and if you have a doubt feel free to make your homework -
TwinAces player id = felipe12
Casino on net = 21felo
See ya
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| Posted by: Kev at February 4, 2002, 7:52 am | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Does RTG keep a "game report?" I don't keep one myself so all I can do is give you the basic gist of my play. I started with smaller hands (around $25) as my balance increased the hands got larger. I martingaled periodically but played primarily larger and larger flat hands. Ultimately, most of my hands were $500. This was done over about a week at arious sessions. I accumulated 702 comp points which suggests I played approximately $702,000. I know this is sketchy but it's the best I can provide.
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| Posted by: caruso at February 4, 2002, 6:53 am | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
More info on no. of hands and average bet size required; even an estimation. C'mon, Kev.
Example: $50 av. bet size (pretty suicidal on $1000 BR, but credible); 10,000 hands; SD = c.110 units; expected loss = 66 units; win = 1000 units - 1066 over expectation = 9.7 SDs (impossible). Based on $100 ABS (total lunacy) = 5.1 SDs (staggering). The more hands the more the SD figures come do, eg. 100,000 hands, $50 ABS = 4.7 SDs (still staggering).
I'm inclined to think he is on the level, but the numbers make extraordinary reading.
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| Posted by: Trader v1.1 at February 3, 2002, 7:49 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
My experience with the Main Street Vegas group of Vegas Casino Online, Twin Aces, and Las Vegas USA is similar to Don's. If you deposit by PayPal you sometimes get an extra bonus, but you get a slower payout. Credit card refunds have been just a few days, but checks have been taking almost a month. They keep telling me they will be able to do PayPal refunds soon, but not yet.
I have not played their new casino yet and will not until RTG arranges payment for their closed down licensees.
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| Posted by: Tester at February 3, 2002, 6:56 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Regarding probabilities:
Suppose that we accept Ke to have an event with a probability of 1/1,000 (such a probability will eventually occur by some a player.)
By playing 1,000 hands there is a 0.001 probability to be ahead 115 units.
Suppose house edge is 0.5% * 1000 = 5 units.
115 - 5 = 110 units * 500$ = 55,000$
Bad luck Kev! allowing 1/1,000 probability and not stoping at 50,000 should lead you to 55,000.
But I forgive you, have a nice day.
PS. It is much cheaper for Twin Aces to pay 50K for one person then paying 1K for thousands. Do the math by yourself.
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| Posted by: caruso at February 3, 2002, 4:21 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
100 unit win with $500 base bet - yes, quite far-fetched; assuming a, say, $25 base bet (rather more reasonable on a $1000 deposit) we'd be looking at 2000 unit win; $50? 1000 unit win; I'm looking forward to Kev's "game report", if he cares to offer it.
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| Posted by: PlayTheOdds at February 3, 2002, 4:03 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Twin Aces owes me $1500 from a withdrawal I requested November 11. Hey Kev, how about loaning me the $1500 until Twin Aces pays me??? I'll be glad to make a post about how honest, trustworthy, and fast-paying you are!!
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| Posted by: Diavolo at February 3, 2002, 3:57 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Gamerz:
Think winning 100 units or more on RTG is far fetched? I've done it before. Streaks come and go, but I can see where it happens. Of, course my base bet was nowhere near $500, but more like $25. There is one thing I do like about RTG, even if I don't like the casino's, is that once in awhile you can catch a nice wave and when that happens I press it hard.
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I've always had bad luck on RTG casinos, I've played at twin aces and lost all my money but everything changed when i started playing at sci fi casino, I've been able to withdraw winnings up to $2000 through Neteller and their customer service is great.
I think this is my favorite.
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| Posted by: Gamerz at February 3, 2002, 3:36 pm | | Topic: Twin Aces Pays Big Winners Forum: Winner Online |
Think winning 100 units or more on RTG is far fetched? I've done it before. Streaks come and go, but I can see where it happens. Of, course my base bet was nowhere near $500, but more like $25. There is one thing I do like about RTG, even if I don't like the casino's, is that once in awhile you can catch a nice wave and when that happens I press it hard.
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