| Posted by: ZeeGambler at February 22, 2002, 9:30 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Hey truthbeliever can you just HELL then damn and F** or chargeback the casino FOR SOME and then HELL if I know what I'm typing for if I damn I should have HELL who knows what this guy is thinking and if then or maybe chargeback GAMBLING ONLINE then some HELL if you did and HELL damn I should have.
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| Posted by: Dann at February 19, 2002, 7:06 am | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by chubs:
I talked to an aide and it is indeed illegal in my state I know the chapter of the state code but information cost money and I will let you know sometime if I get my money back from some of these casinos who stole my money. Yes I know some will say its gambling but It doesnt matter according to my state law
STOLE your money? You play at these casinos illegally, gamble your money away, and then blame them?
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| Posted by: zrapture at February 18, 2002, 11:26 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
After you and your parents win your dispute case please stop using mommy and daddys credit cards. If you amazingly are over 18 years old then grow up and take your losses like an adult.
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| Posted by: chubs at February 18, 2002, 10:53 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by CasinoNow:
What was the point in doing a reply/quote of my entire message, yet adding no remarks of your own to it?
Revised: Sorry, I just went back and saw your comments buried within the quote. I'm glad to hear it, and I'm not saying that you have committed credit card fraud, but rather that some of the things you are proposing could end up causing you to prove otherwise if you aren't careful. Very funny about your AG. I doubt you are foolish enough to go to someone like that from the position you are coming from, but if you do, please take good notes and fill us in on what is said.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
[This message has been edited by CasinoNow (edited 02-12-2002).]
I talked to an aide and it is indeed illegal in my state I know the chapter of the state code but information cost money and I will let you know sometime if I get my money back from some of these casinos who stole my m... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: chubs at February 18, 2002, 10:17 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by TheDude:
So you think doing chargebacks is a good idea? I suppose you are the type of person that will complain about good food at a restaurant to get your meal free, or not pay a contractor for renovations because you don't think you should. If you were a casino owner you would be no better than Golden Palace was at it's worst.
I'm not saying there's not a time and a place for chargebacks. If you are getting screwed by a casino, and have exhausted your resources trying to get the situation resolved, then it might be the only logical step left. But to suggest that you do chargebacks on a regular basis, or when you lose, that's exactly the same as a casino keeping your money when you win. What makes you any better?
Shaun
do not want to be better only equal
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| Posted by: chubs at February 18, 2002, 9:58 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by ickinz:
Some people DONT understand right and wrong...sadly their stupidity affects the rest of us!
In NZ we have a ery generous welfare state; many gamblers fraudulently steal money from taxpayers to finance their habit with multiple identities to obtain additional unemployment benefit.
This scammer is in effect "stealing" money from us because TCO went out of business because of the numerous chargebacks by many including some players who were paid, so leaving others who were entitled to receive money without.
It's amazing how crooks can rationalise their behaviour to justify their actions. But sometimes one can't blame people who don't have either the maturity or intelligence to comprehend the big picture!
please stop your bull**** the people on welfare are not gambling online and furthermore if you have knowledge of abuse you are the crook for withholding information. You sound ery stupid to me honey chargebacks are ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bonus Mania at February 15, 2002, 5:38 am | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso:
But that's not what our friend is saying; he's advocating chargebacks as effective "risk free" gambling: "it's illegal here, so I sign up, gamble, lose - then chargeback because the casino has authorized my illegal activity."
You agree with that?
That's outright fraud and I of course don't agree with it.
I was just pointing out that financial intermediaries such as VISA and PayPal should always offer reliable and fair chargeback and dispute-resolution services to protect all sides of each transaction.
VISA does provide these services and I feel safe using my credit card at online merchants. PayPal does not offer these protections, and as a result I was robbed by www.gigaming.com
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| Posted by: caruso at February 15, 2002, 4:44 am | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
BM - absolutely; the option is ever present as a fail-safe and a safe guard against blatant theft; in essence exactly like the "deterent" argument of the nuclear weapons advocates.
But that's not what our friend is saying; he's advocating chargebacks as effective "risk free" gambling: "it's illegal here, so I sign up, gamble, lose - then chargeback because the casino has authorized my illegal activity."
You agree with that?
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| Posted by: Bonus Mania at February 15, 2002, 4:14 am | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I have to agree with the thetruthbeliever. Chargebacks are what keeps casinos honest. Online casinos don't pay us out of the kindness of their hearts. They pay us because they fear the chargeback option. If chargeback wasn't available, many casinos wouldn't even give us our own deposits back, much less pay us our profits.
I have been gambling online for few years now, and I have played for real at more than 500 online casinos, and I have NEVER EVER been stiffed out of my own deposit when I have used my credit card. Because the casinos know that if they try to stiff me, I will charge them back in a heart beat. So casinos act honest.
The only time I have been stiffed out of my deposit was when I deposited ia PayPal at www.gigaming.com. They not only refused to pay my winnings, but they kept my own deposit too. They wouldn't have been able to do that, if I had used my credit card.
Take my word for it, if the threat of chargebacks is ever removed, the casinos can AND WILL screw a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dogfish73 at February 15, 2002, 2:33 am | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Hey thetruebeliever
If you know that online gambling is illegal in your part of the world, Why are you gambling on line?
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| Posted by: thetruthbeleiver at February 13, 2002, 8:23 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
It is amazing how people on this board are turning blue defending the casinos, screaming about "stealing from the casinos" etc. Can finally anybody say a word about the casinos who actually STEAL from us, the PLAYERS! I was personally involved in a some online gaming establishments, (yeah call it a casino, if you want, but i wouoldn't) who actually did NEVER pay me. For some reason I can't see anybody screaming and turning blue about this issue?? It has become too common, damn it, that we have little rights and much obligation.
Thanks again for reading>
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| Posted by: vickinz at February 13, 2002, 2:34 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Some people DONT understand right and wrong...sadly their stupidity affects the rest of us!
In NZ we have a ery generous welfare state; many gamblers fraudulently steal money from taxpayers to finance their habit with multiple identities to obtain additional unemployment benefit.
This scammer is in effect "stealing" money from us because TCO went out of business because of the numerous chargebacks by many including some players who were paid, so leaving others who were entitled to receive money without.
It's amazing how crooks can rationalise their behaviour to justify their actions. But sometimes one can't blame people who don't have either the maturity or intelligence to comprehend the big picture!
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| Posted by: Dann at February 12, 2002, 7:55 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by thetruthbeleiver:
... There is nothing or nobody what would defend us, players who risk their own funds...
ThetruthBeleiver.
Again, idiot, YOU DON'T RISK YOUR FUNDS. You charge back if you don't win, so don't speak on behalf of online gamblers. You're worse than the casinos.
Doing a charge back because you're not satisfied with the "service?" Come on, that argument has no legal merit.
Keep charging back, and we won't have to worry about explaining this to you because they're going to throw you in jail. That's credit-card fraud. You authorized the charges, and you knew what you were getting into. Stating otherwise is illegal.
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| Posted by: thetruthbeleiver at February 12, 2002, 7:16 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Mrracetrack, what are you fighting for?
Old russian proverb- "don't judge so they don't judge you". Finally, can anybody stop the advertising campaign and post something real? thanks again>
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at February 12, 2002, 6:47 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
thetruthbeleiver,
You are, without a doubt, one of
the least intelligent people to
ever post in this forum.
The only thing "stinky" about this
forum, is the "stink" that people
like you, and your ilk, bring to it.
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| Posted by: thetruthbeleiver at February 12, 2002, 6:36 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Last word- this forum is nothing but the stinky promotional way of promotion of the casinos. It sucks. There is nothing or nobody what would defend us, players who risk their own funds. I don't know who is the webmaster of this stinky site, but please, clean up this mess. Please support me who thinks same. Excuse me for my tone>
ThetruthBeleiver.
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| Posted by: thetruthbeleiver at February 12, 2002, 6:01 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
The only players who chargeback when they lose ae people who aren't intelligent enough to make decent money without committing fraud. Adios idiots. Go to school, get a decent job so you won't have to worry about losing a little money losers.
ZRAPTURE, first, this talk is not about money . Secondly, i do have a good job and income but that does not mean some casino can damage it. Please read the above many times till you get it, sir. Thanks>
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| Posted by: thetruthbeleiver at February 12, 2002, 5:54 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Im sorry but what a moronic post !
So if you are so disgusted about gambling online, why are you doing it ??? ohhhh so that when you win you actually claim your winnings but when you loose you charge back ?
Is people like you that affect the industry in general, and that is why real gamblers get affected as well ...
Your attitude is dangerous and bad for any industry at all ... not only gambling !
Again ... ive heard MORONIC statments ... but this was pullen out from the dumb and dumber movie ...
You just CHARGE BACK when you really have proven that they have stolen you ! or when you really dont get paid .... not when you feel like it, that is one of the biggest threats of any online business at this time ... people like you ...
I have a web hosting company and i suffer as well from this type of attitude... yes ... use my service, yes use it to spam ... and after abusing they as well chargeback ...
I hate them ...
Felo, I understand your suffers, i mean your web ho... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MC Ren at February 12, 2002, 4:31 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
I can not possibly explain how irate I am after reading these posts by "truth.." and "chubs". You two need to not gamble. Rarely am I faced with such a lack of integrity and responsibilty. Man!! I am really ticked....
maybe I should go back to Vegas and make them give me my money back!HAh!
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| Posted by: zrapture at February 12, 2002, 4:20 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
The only players who chargeback when they lose ae people who aren't intelligent enough to make decent money without committing fraud. Adios idiots. Go to school, get a decent job so you won't have to worry about losing a little money losers.
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| Posted by: Felo at February 12, 2002, 4:09 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by thetruthbeleiver:
Hello, "newyorker" and "chubs". Please do NOT post replies like "do not charge back" etc. Listen here carefully- if you are trying to promote the casinos involved in charge backs, please go to HELL. If you are naive people thinking the gambling industry is in benefit of players, also, please go to HELL. And at last, players!! please do charge backs whenever possible, beacause online gambling is actually illegal in most countries and US states and you have a right
to defense yourself.
Thanks you
<u>Im sorry but what a moronic post !</u>
So if you are so disgusted about gambling online, why are you doing it ??? ohhhh so that when you win you actually claim your winnings but when you loose you charge back ?
Is people like you that affect the industry in general, and that is why real gamblers get affected as well ...
Your attitude is dangerous and bad for any industry at all ... n... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CasinoNow at February 12, 2002, 3:57 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Dave,
As usual, your remarks are well thought out, intelligent and appreciated. I guess we just disagree on this.
In reference to Surefire, or most any other processor, yes, they will simply put the card into a negative database. However, I don't believe that it is their right or responsibility to take it any farther than that, because, ultimately, it is the merchant that suffers damages as a result. So, it is the individual merchant's obligation to initiate any investigation or complaints with authorities, which is not likely, but not impossible.
Also, it does not really matter much that it is a gambling transaction or even a person not present claim. The issues of credit card fraud are not limited to those circumstances. All that would matter is that goods or services were purchased and received, and then payment refused, which also happened to cause the merchant additional losses through processing fees. I suppose that they could jump on the "I didn't authorize" b... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CasinoNow at February 12, 2002, 3:47 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
What was the point in doing a reply/quote of my entire message, yet adding no remarks of your own to it?
Revised: Sorry, I just went back and saw your comments buried within the quote. I'm glad to hear it, and I'm not saying that you have committed credit card fraud, but rather that some of the things you are proposing could end up causing you to prove otherwise if you aren't careful. Very funny about your AG. I doubt you are foolish enough to go to someone like that from the position you are coming from, but if you do, please take good notes and fill us in on what is said.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
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| Posted by: Dave R at February 12, 2002, 3:29 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Jerry said:
Actually, I really just wanted to make the point that a charge back should not be
taken lightly at all, and can, in fact, lead to a criminal investigation if it is not done
responsibly. I would hate to see someone go from losing a little money at a closed
casino to spending a fortune on legal defense, just because they weren't properly
informed. [Endquote]
Jerry, your point of iew is appreciated.
But I disagree with you that rampant chargebacks against online casinos can lead to a criminal investigation. This is just simply BS. If Surefire Commerce gets enough chargebacks from a player, they simply put that account number into a negative database. That's IT.
If you go into a store to buy groceries, you have to sign for the purchase. Even if you buy a computer over the internet, through CDW, you still have to sign that you received the goods. The UPS guy takes your signature.
Not so with gambling online.
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| Posted by: thetruthbeleiver at February 12, 2002, 3:17 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
The Dude, I am not talking about some damn reastaurant meal, sir, please make no comparison. What I am talking about is GAMBLING ONLINE, which is multi bill. $ industry. Do not forget, there are customers and those who serve us, customers. Therefore, whoever thinks the casino is unfair for any reason to the player, he/she has a right to chargeback against it. Please, shut everybody up and thanks again.
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| Posted by: chubs at February 12, 2002, 3:16 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dann:
How in the hell are charge backs legal? Yeah, they're legal - IF you didn't authorize the purchase. Simply playing at a casino, getting your ass handed to you, and then saying someone stole your card and made an unauthorized purchase is NOT legal.
I'm not one to side with the casino, but jeesh, you're an idiot.
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hey dann Do some research before calling me names. A person did exactly what you said in california and had 75,000 dollars returned to him by claiming he did not make the purchases. I enjoy winneronline and will continue to read it. I am not endorsing chargebacks but wanted to get some answers about it and did adios
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| Posted by: chubs at February 12, 2002, 2:58 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by CasinoNow:
You got that right. Chubs: Can you say credit card fraud? If you are so sure you are right, why don't you sit down and discuss it with your state Attorney General to see what (s)he thinks about it.
I also find it funny that on the Other Thread you were wanting to initiate a charge back because you have lost 95% of the time and the casino advertises a 94% payback. Actually, I think that casino's payout percentage was higher than that last month, but that's neither here nor there. It just goes to illustrate that you are either a total idiot who needs to stay away from ALL games of chance (online or off), or someone who is nothing more than a con man who deserve to cool his heels behind bars for fraud. Which is it?
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
I can assure you I have or did not intend to defraud a credit card company. thank you for the advice . I will talk to my attorney general. He is one of ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CasinoNow at February 12, 2002, 2:15 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
You got that right. Chubs: Can you say credit card fraud? If you are so sure you are right, why don't you sit down and discuss it with your state Attorney General to see what (s)he thinks about it.
I also find it funny that on the Other Thread you were wanting to initiate a charge back because you have lost 95% of the time and the casino advertises a 94% payback. Actually, I think that casino's payout percentage was higher than that last month, but that's neither here nor there. It just goes to illustrate that you are either a total idiot who needs to stay away from ALL games of chance (online or off), or someone who is nothing more than a con man who deserve to cool his heels behind bars for fraud. Which is it?
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
Quote: Originally Posted by Dann:
How in the hell are charge backs legal? Yeah, they're legal - IF you didn't authorize the purchase. Simply playing at a casino, getting your ass handed to y... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CasinoNow at February 12, 2002, 2:12 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
That is the most insane bunch of clatter I've heard in a long time. With rampant behavior like that, you are going to quickly find yourself barred at all casinos, and potentially facing criminal charges, which is actually what someone would deserve if they went on these wild charge back sprees. Rather than repeating myself, I'll just make a cross reference to another recent post on the subject:
Cross Reference: Should I do a chargeback against Casino Online?
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
Quote: Originally Posted by thetruthbeleiver:
Hello, "newyorker" and "chubs". Please do NOT post replies like "do not charge back" etc. Listen here carefully- if you are trying to promote the casinos involved in charge backs, please go to HELL. If you are naive people thinking the gambling industry is in benefit of players, also, please go to HELL. And at last, players!! please do charge backs whenever possible, bea... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mrracetrack at February 12, 2002, 2:04 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Chubs,
You posted "Besides I could always send them money through western union if my card gets blacklisted."
The "Player" gets blacklisted, NOT
the card.
And you commented "zrapture I was actually the one who picked the team and you sound like the meek one who would not be on it."
You, Chubs, with your thoughts on chargebacks, and posters who responded to you, sound to me pretty much like a
no class, scamming loser.
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| Posted by: Dann at February 12, 2002, 1:59 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by chubs:
... chargebacks are legal ...
How in the hell are charge backs legal? Yeah, they're legal - IF you didn't authorize the purchase. Simply playing at a casino, getting your ass handed to you, and then saying someone stole your card and made an unauthorized purchase is NOT legal.
I'm not one to side with the casino, but jeesh, you're an idiot.
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| Posted by: chubs at February 12, 2002, 1:44 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by zrapture:
This guy sounds like nothing more then a sore loser who could never win at anything so he must cheat. I guess all those times being the last one picked in gym class really effects what type of adult they will become.
zrapture I was actually the one who picked the team and you sound like the meek one who would not be on it. I would like to know how someone can cheat when gambling online. chargebacks are legal and are investigated by the card company so you either win or lose
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| Posted by: chubs at February 12, 2002, 12:56 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by TheDude:
So you think doing chargebacks is a good idea? I suppose you are the type of person that will complain about good food at a restaurant to get your meal free, or not pay a contractor for renovations because you don't think you should. If you were a casino owner you would be no better than Golden Palace was at it's worst.
heydude thousands of people get refunds for bad food or service and people get screwed by crooked contractors all the time. chargebacks are a way of giving these rip off online casinos a taste of their own medicine. Besides I could always send them money through western union if my card gets blacklisted.
I'm not saying there's not a time and a place for chargebacks. If you are getting screwed by a casino, and have exhausted your resources trying to get the situation resolved, then it might be the only logical step left. But to suggest that you do chargebacks on a regular basis, or when you lose, that's exactly the same as a casino ke... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zrapture at February 12, 2002, 12:48 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
This guy sounds like nothing more then a sore loser who could never win at anything so he must cheat. I guess all those times being the last one picked in gym class really effects what type of adult they will become.
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| Posted by: caruso at February 12, 2002, 12:40 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
As a last resort on occasions of actual theft by a casino or similar fraudulent activity, maybe so; even if justified, the player will probably find himself subsequently blacklisted elsewhere (everywhere?), so it really is a last resort.
But to suggest that charging back is appropriate where online gambling is illegal is ridiculous; if it's illegal, who broke the law? The player, I believe, by signing up to indulge in the illegal activity in the first place - certainly not the casino. But we should blame the casino?
I'm reminded of those sorry creatures who sued Visa for "encouraginging" them to gamble online by extending them credit!
In my neck of the woods we call this behaviour the "Nanny State".
Very bad advice.
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| Posted by: TheDude at February 12, 2002, 12:34 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
And yes, i am on the industry side of things, but stupid thoughts and actions such as this hurt everyone.
I have no ested interest in proving how wrong you are, except that people like you angry me to no end, proving exactly how there can be casinos out there that are willing to take your money and run, because there are people like you that are willing to openly screw the casino.
It's called gambling for a reason. There is a chance you might lose your money. This is real life. Real money. If you want to charge back (unwarranted) or gamble risk free (oxymoron) i suggest you try the "Play for free" casino games.
Shaun
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| Posted by: TheDude at February 12, 2002, 12:28 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
So you think doing chargebacks is a good idea? I suppose you are the type of person that will complain about good food at a restaurant to get your meal free, or not pay a contractor for renovations because you don't think you should. If you were a casino owner you would be no better than Golden Palace was at it's worst.
I'm not saying there's not a time and a place for chargebacks. If you are getting screwed by a casino, and have exhausted your resources trying to get the situation resolved, then it might be the only logical step left. But to suggest that you do chargebacks on a regular basis, or when you lose, that's exactly the same as a casino keeping your money when you win. What makes you any better?
Shaun
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| Posted by: thetruthbeleiver at February 12, 2002, 12:16 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Hello, "newyorker" and "chubs". Please do NOT post replies like "do not charge back" etc. Listen here carefully- if you are trying to promote the casinos involved in charge backs, please go to HELL. If you are naive people thinking the gambling industry is in benefit of players, also, please go to HELL. And at last, players!! please do charge backs whenever possible, beacause online gambling is actually illegal in most countries and US states and you have a right
to defense yourself.
Thanks you
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| Posted by: Sevastou at September 19, 2001, 8:19 am | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Chargebacks are ok when it comes to that pair of heels Queen of Fashions--those frauds in L.A. with the fancy graphics and fake front window--didn't send but kept E'ing you "they're on the way" for a month of Sundays. But when it comes to the house getting your p.p. deposit, forget it!--especially if there's a bonus involved because the house gets its automatic cut--no such animal as a p.p. chargeback with onliners. Just hoops and rings for the sucker to jump thru from here to eternity.Ha! Paypal! What a financial conspiracy! The middleman's second generation little kids, your "pals"--forget the rip-off artists, pay the simple way. Before they corner the market and make it mandatory we all pay THEIR WAY!
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