| Posted by: KX at May 5, 2002, 4:01 am | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
As earlier said, I do believe the game speed is part of the explanation. Splitting to three hands is rather rare and should have a quite small effect on sigma/streaks.
I do believe there´s more to it than a fast game though. My experience as well as others I´ve heard is that the risk of losing your initial deposit before receiving bonus is bigger than at other casinos.
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| Posted by: dan at May 4, 2002, 5:50 pm | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
RTG is not the fastest. Did you play in Geisha Lounge after they switch to Cytech?
It's even faster than RTG. Cards are dealt instantaneously. A hand can be finished in less than 2 seconds. However, I don't find it be streakier than RTG.
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| Posted by: caruso at May 4, 2002, 2:09 pm | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
As for streaks at RTG, I don't think they are streakier than other casinos. I do believe the speed of the software fogs player's perceptions of the game. RTG is much, much faster than other software, and this effects how players "feel" the game.
Exactly.
Tester, advantageous dbl/spl options don't effect this ridiculous streak misconception, only the ariance. Eg, you're on a "streak" (ho, ho), split to 3 hands, double each, and lose to 21 - bye, bye streak; it works both ways. The extra split option has had a profound influence on the ariance, however. "Streakiness" would at best be described as ariance massively misunderstood.
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| Posted by: gc at May 4, 2002, 12:58 pm | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
I'm convinced RTG software can be manipulated or set to a certain level of fairness or unfairness by individual casinos. For example, at Las Vegas USA and Vegas Casino Online, I absolutely kill them and make money every time. At Grand Banks Casino, it consistantly drains my account every time no matter how many hands I play, the results are always the same. I'm convinced the casinos can manipulate this.
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at May 4, 2002, 11:54 am | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
Tester's correct, I forgot you can split to 3 hands with RTG software. I don't believe any other software allows this. Split to three hands and throw in a few doubled hands on those three splits and you can have a lot of money on the table. Win or lose that round, and you have a big swing in either direction.
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| Posted by: Tester at May 4, 2002, 11:26 am | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
RTG is streakier then MG and Boss er 1! Its because the rules allow split after aplit and double after split.
That will sometimes cause strong streaks. Moreover, losing (winning) at once X 5 the initial bet makes a strong streaking feeling.
Its also faster, and maybe the money is more clear going here and there which adds to the feelings.
I think that they will send out play logs per request which may help. (if one here has a lot of hands played in one casino he may do such a request not to need multuple requests
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at May 4, 2002, 10:14 am | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
Ok I see where you're going KX. Maybe you're right. If a casino does rig a game, they risk the danger of someone figuring out the gaff, and then altering strategy to take advantage of the game. A smart player could really hurt a casino if they figure out the gaff and how to exploit it.
As for streaks at RTG, I don't think they are streakier than other casinos. I do believe the speed of the software fogs player's perceptions of the game. RTG is much, much faster than other software, and this effects how players "feel" the game.
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| Posted by: KX at May 4, 2002, 12:15 am | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
Dirk; Forgot to say... I do believe that opinions of "streakiness" do have alue. If a ery high percentage of the persons answering do believe that RTG is streakier than all others this should be based on the total plays made by this large amount of players.
To collect data is good but a bit troblesome since RTG doesn´t provide the data in the casino software. I am interesting in analyzing the data to look at correlations between different "lags" of games and to see if the probability of winning is higher after a winning hand than after a losing, but the problem is that I believe the risk of being considered an "abuser" would increase significantly if I went around to all the RTG places I´ve played asking for datafiles.
Also, I will only have my own data. When asking here you get a total of lots of data, although not at all precise.
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| Posted by: KX at May 4, 2002, 12:00 am | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
The Original Mary; Yepp, I believe the game speed might be a PART of the explanation. I don´t think it´s the whole explanation though. Very few RTG-places give bonus in hand, and alot of players end up losing all deposit before meeting req. for bonus (lots also end up way ahead).
Dirk_Dangerous; If you´ve read some of the other threads I´ve made posts in lately you would see that:
*I believe RTG BJ pay proper percentage.
*I believe RTG BJ are rigged.
To be a fair BJ-game it should behave exactly like a landbased game. This means that every card in the shoe should have an identical chance of hitting the table every time a card is drawn. I believe that this isn´t the case at RTG. I believe RTGs RNG increases the odds of winning a hand if you´ve won a couple before, and ice ersa.
The interesting part here is that I believe that at RTG BJ basic strategy and flat betting isn´t the way to go. I´m pretty sure that if you have enough data you will see when to bet more and... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at May 3, 2002, 9:10 pm | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
True enough ted. You are correct, but with a lot of wagering you should be near the expected results, especially if you tend to bet roughly the same amounts over and over again. I'm assuming KX does.
If he's this concerned about RTG's game, he should flat bet for a few thousand hands and check the standard deviation. The math is simple and anyone here can give him the formula if he doesn't know it.
And, he can also ask for a record of his play results. RTG casinos will provide this information. He can check frequencies of blackjacks, dealer ace up etc., etc. I've done this a few times, and I've not seen anything out of the ordinary.
Fact is, in the past, I’ve had some concerns with RTG’s BJ. But when I looked at my long term results and the data, I’ve found nothing wrong. RTG casinos have a lot of faults, but to their credit, I do believe their games are fair.
This isn’t to say players shouldn’t be suspicious. IMO, it pays to always be suspicious when it comes to Ecas... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at May 3, 2002, 8:48 pm | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
Streakiness doesn't really tell you much. I mean it's a subjective call. Some say streaky, others say not. Short term results mean ery little.
If you're concerned about RTG's fairness, keep track of the amount of the dollars you bet and do the math to see if the game’s theoretical edge hold matches your actual losses.
For example RTG's BJ should have a house edge of ~ .5% (I'm doing this off the top of my head, so .5% may not be exact, but it's close enough).
So if you've played RTG for month and have wagered at total of $50,000 your expected loss should be $50,000 x .005 = - $250.
If your actual losses are close to that amount there is a good chance the game is fair.
I've wagered much more than 50K at arious RTG sites and I can tell you my results show the game to holding about .5%. That's good enough for me.*
In contrast, my results for Microgaming's BJ, after hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of wagering are not even close to the theoretical ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tedm at May 3, 2002, 8:24 pm | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
CPA means yes you can win a lot or you can lose a lot in these streaks. The streaks are not one-sided.
I bet if I had all play there would be a statistically significant correlation between the results of one hand and the results of another.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at May 3, 2002, 11:52 am | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
Have I had longer/more noticable streaks playing RTG than other brands?
Yes.
Does this mean that the rng or game simulation is different?
No.
Other factors also influence my play, and I believe they altered it to the extent that I would experience bigger streaks.
RTG blackjack is a much faster game than Microgaming blackjack, so it is easier for me to go on tilt and play past my quit point. Sometimes this is good and I get a positive wave, so this reinforces my playing past the quit point for future sessions.
The bonuses at RTG casinos are awarded upfront, so I have that play money to bet with; this also encourages bigger betting and longer sessions. Again, this increases my ariance, hence, a greater perception of streakiness.
Nothing beats the big downward streak of not getting paid at all.
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| Posted by: KX at May 3, 2002, 10:10 am | | Topic: Poll: Is RTGs BJ streakier than the rest? Forum: Winner Online |
Would be interesting to see your opinion.
Just give me a YES! or a NO!
A YES! means that you consider Black Jack at RTG-casinos to be streakier than the Black Jack at ALL other major software providers you´ve tried (for example: MGS, Cryptologic, World Gaming, Playtech, Oddson, Access, Aqua Online etc.).
A NO! means that you believe there is other major software out there with a streakier game of Black Jack.
Please don´t answer the question if you haven´t played any RTG-software or if you´ve only played RTG-software.
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