| Posted by: joeyl at May 7, 2002, 6:07 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Mumma always did tell me to do my homework before i go to school.
Prescription.BC.I should point out at the outset that the OPA has neither the resources nor any ambition to become an official Internet gambling regulating body. Our chief goal is to build bridges between honest gamblers and fair, professional casinos. We want to provide one side with safe, fair gambling, good customer service and fast payouts and the other with players prepared to play honestly. The OPA seeks to protect both player and casino members from dishonesty and unfair treatment.
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| Posted by: Jetset at May 7, 2002, 12:25 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
By God I think you may like us after all Joeyl!!!
I think we are already seeing meaningful online gambling regulatory bodies shaping up in the Isle of Man and Alderney, and perhaps eventually even in Nevada (federal legislative moves permitting) Those licences will be the ones you can rely on because they really mean business, hold contingency deposits, have stringent requirements and will have true player complaint servicing when it comes to the casinos they licence.
My personal hope is that their advent will pressure other more "flags of convenience" licencing jurisdictions to smarten up too - for too long they have taken the dollars but done little in the way of effective regulation even when receiving player complaints.
I always thought the Aussies were leading the way in true regulation until their federal government starting tinkering with internet gambling bans and confused the whole issue.
In general my opinion is that things are getting better slowl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at May 6, 2002, 9:27 pm | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Okay Jet.As it all sinks in it makes sense.The thing is there is no official regulatory body for net gaming that i can find.
Yours is the best group i've found for player protection.Other teeny bits of evidence my trawling has unearthed bears that out,regardless of the OPA's recent closure.I am still curious about that mind.
Oh,if i did rub you up the wrong way,that would be me being the stereotypical Brit with big ideas done already,to death.I am sorry.
Is there a regulatory body planned atall,ever?
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 6, 2002, 11:13 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
I think you got all 4 in there Damian.
I know you care otherwise you would'nt have had a go at the CPA for Sci Fi.
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| Posted by: damiandunlap at May 6, 2002, 11:04 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
JOEYL,
I THINK ALOT OF THINGS, BUT IT WANT DO NO GOOD IF WE DONT STICK AS ONE.
I THINK WE NEED A ORGANZTION TO MONITOR THE CASINOS, I THINK IF U PLAY AT A NEW CASINO , DONT PUT NO MORE THAN 100 BUCKS THERE. IF U PLAY AT CASINOS THAT OPA HAS ON THERE FUNKED UP CASINO LIST, AND U PLAY, DONT COMPLAIN. RIGHT NOW I WANT PLAY AT A NEW CASINO UNLESS IT BACK BY A LAND BASE.
OPA HAS A CASINO ON THERE LIST I WANT PLAY, AT MORE THAN ONE MATTER OF FACT, BUT OVER ALL I THINK WE SHOULD ALL JOIN. I JUST DONT LIKE CASINO U HAVE TO PAY MORE THAN 10X TRU, AND I KNOW FOR SURE MICRO GAMES ARE NOT RANDOM,
HEY IF U GUYS WANT TO BUY PROPERTY IN CALIFORNIA LOOK ME UP.
GOLD CLUB IS THE PLACE
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 6, 2002, 8:44 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
I thought you and Spear had had enough of me.
I had answered you and you are right,yes what a world it would be.
Instead of Safebet and the other certification on thier sites,you know;the little icons that mean nothing.When i first came online i saw the OPA stamp thingy.It meant not alot to me mixed in with the others.
Mr B2G,(not g2b)thinks you lot are the benchmark to do his site by even.You "are" the regulatory body here Jet.Thats what and why i was asking him.Who is the regulator if you are'nt?Seems many look to you as a "form" of regulator,i see none better out there boyo.Go ask,do a poll.Gambling.com advertise GP,so it aint them,is it?
I don't think a casino should be allowed to open until you've okayed them.
Are you busy sorting complaints on your "recommended casino's"?I know you're not,therein lies my point amongst the rubble of my postings.
How is that anti-OPA?
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| Posted by: Jetset at May 5, 2002, 9:48 pm | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
You have not answered my question, joeyl unless your proposal that every casino should be presumed guilty until proven innocent is serious?
What a world that would be, eh? Maybe not.
But to take another of your statements:
"My OPA,the one in my head.Is a collection of top notch casino's who have put cash in to cover any quarrels,who are responsive and answer the OPA,who have a policy of actually paying the player and don't mind you personally checking out thier whole operation."
That sounds to me rather like the OPA APPROVED casinos which we list every two weeks in our newsletter.
But in case you are talking about ery big contingency deposits and software certification and ongoing supervision and FBI checks, here's another perspective:
OPA is not the internet gambling industry regulating or licencing authority and does not have the infrastructure to be one - that's a lot of infrastructure btw. ie Contingency deposits, FBI checks, software a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at May 5, 2002, 5:12 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Ideas and opinions change and form and grow with time.
It's taken a while but my conclusion is i,in my made up world,feel that casino's should'nt be allowed online until they have the mark of approval from the OPA.
Impossible.Ridiculous maybe,pie in the sky even.Not antipathy.
Sorry g2b and Jet if i ever annoy you again.
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 5, 2002, 5:04 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Just a bit of what you posted Jetset.
"Bearing in mind that OPA can produce fact and evidence on every OPA NOT RECOMMENDED casino, and that we issue casino cautions when we think they are headed for the NOT RECOMMENDED list but don't yet have all the evidence to hand what would you have OPA do?
Ok,i don't actually "know" what i would have you do.
It's the thing of a new casino,however crooked the governor,is automatically not on the blacklist until they rob me,you and/or the world.The OPA members in fact.
As it stands if you are not on the blacklist or warning list,the word is from the OPA is they must be OK.Thats what i deduce.
Nothing to stop me opening a casino,rob everyone,close down then just open another under a different name.If a casino can't pay the expenses for your goodself or your mates to check out thier new operation,then they can't be much of a casino from the start.
GG,OPA,Spear,CPA all help with complaints.Thats alot ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at May 4, 2002, 9:44 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Ok Spear.I did,you did.
Bearing increasingly large load etc is alot different to snowed under.
But did you catch my drift?
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at May 4, 2002, 5:39 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
I didn't say snowed under. You did. There's a big difference.
I said that since they have some big issues they are taking care of, perhaps some of us can help with the smaller complaints.
That in no way implies or states that the OPA is snowed under. However, naturally we don't WANT them to be snowed under either.
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Got2Bet - Online Gambling News and Information
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 4, 2002, 5:03 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Let me throw down my angle here Jetset,try to remember i know eff all about anything and maybe i'm an idealist.Maybe even a Utopian.
In essence the OPA will help anyone who has signed up,with any problem related to any casino not on the OPA blacklist.
I think/guess/wish/dream the OPA would be more pro-active.
I don't think a casino should be basically be OPA approved,by thier absence from the blacklist.
I think a casino should be effectively blacklisted until they are approved.
I think people trust you,and your OPA,even though your track record is'nt perfect.Maybe it's you they trust Jetbaby,the committee,your intentions,the idea of a strong OPA,maybe it's you have the perfect name for an online players associton/group/club/collective.
My OPA,the one in my head.Is a collection of top notch casino's who have put cash in to cover any quarrels,who are responsive and answer the OPA,who have a policy of actually paying the player and don't mind you perso... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at May 4, 2002, 4:33 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
DamDun,liven up i said.That was my answer.I answer every question i see pointed towards thee.
No Jetset,not anti OPA here,not me.
I know you've spotted i'm on something though eh?
What got me on the case is a comment by G2B that the OPA is snowed under already.The official reason the last one closed i believe...
Not Anti to ask around.I know you read the pre New OPA Forum Croupier set up.From then it was obvious i have no proper idea what goes into running an association.It was also fairly obvious i disagree with the "boilerplate" way the OPA operates.Thats where the brainpicking gets going.
Nothing sinister in my non silence.
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| Posted by: Jetset at May 3, 2002, 9:59 pm | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Whoa, joeyl your OPA antipathy is really showing today!
So much so that I suspect you are trying to provoke exchanges knocking the OPA.
OK, let's examine your statement above:
"Q oes'nt the OPA work on a basis of a firm can't be blacklisted until they've done something wrong?"
Bearing in mind that OPA can produce fact and evidence on every OPA NOT RECOMMENDED casino, and that we issue casino cautions when we think they are headed for the NOT RECOMMENDED list but don't yet have all the evidence to hand what would you have OPA do?
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 3, 2002, 9:28 pm | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
That was an answer to my question there Dancali.I thought that was for me and am now hurt.
Aye,DD,liven up eh.
B2G,nearly.You said;"The OPA has more knowledge of the online casino industry then most other players & portals, and that is why we take their recommendations seriously".
Q oes'nt the OPA work on a basis of a firm can't be blacklisted until they've done something wrong?
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| Posted by: Dancali at May 3, 2002, 5:45 pm | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
I agree with much of what you are saying bet2gamble.
You say you wish casinos would pull the plug on these affiliate programs. But, if you pull the plug, how would your website make money? Isn't your website affiliated with casinos? In fact, you could pull the plug right now if you really felt like it (maybe you could write off expenses as a charity).
I posted this on another thread and think it would be appropriate here:
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It really is that easy to put up a portal. And tons of people do just that. But most of these we never see because a SUCCESSFUL portal requires much more than just plopping out a casino banner farm on the internet.
Further, while there are hundreds of portals out there, the informed player is only really aware of a small portion of these. This is because the majority of portal sites aim to hook in the fresh players ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bet2Gamble.com at May 3, 2002, 5:05 pm | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Hi joeyl,
That is a great question.
We OPA'd our Directory because we want to make sure that online gamblers have a safe place to play.
The OPA has more knowledge of the online casino industry then most other players & portals, and that is why we take their recommendations seriously.
We aren't snubbing other portals because, based on their advice, we have eliminated numerous malignant casinos & sportsbooks from our Directory.
I hope this answers your question joeyl.
C.M.
www.bet2gamble.com
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 3, 2002, 10:53 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
What i'm after is why you OPA your list,instead of Casinomeister your list,or gambling.com or CPA or G2B or whatever.Why the OPA specifically?
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| Posted by: Bet2Gamble.com at May 3, 2002, 9:45 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Hi joeyl,
Hey, I'm an American that loves football (soccer) too. There are lots of us football (soccer) fans here.
But to answer your question, OPA'ing our site was the right thing to do because I do not want players to go thru the experience I had with Pyramidcasino.net (NOTE: this site has nothing to do with the reputable site Pyramidcasino.com). For the full details of my ordeal, check this link out: http://theprescription.infopop.net/...22&m=6103053415
That is why I OPA'd our Directory.
C.M.
www.bet2gamble.com
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 3, 2002, 9:35 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Don't get me on the QPR thing.Mostly Americans here who'd think i'm talking religion.
Why was OPA'ing your site the right thing to do please?
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| Posted by: Bet2Gamble.com at May 3, 2002, 9:32 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Hi joeyl,
"I would like to know why you OPA'd your site and are proud to say so if you would be so kind?"
Without being too sanctimonious, it is the right thing to do, lol.
Say hey, I know you are a QPR fan. I'm flashing back to '95 when both of the Sheffs, QPR, Swindon Town, Wimbledon, Coventry City, and the 'Forest were all up in the top flight.
What happened to QPR?
C.M.
www.bet2gamble.com
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 3, 2002, 9:07 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Fun you say?That is a matter of opinion.
I would like to know why you OPA'd your site and are proud to say so if you would be so kind?
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| Posted by: Bet2Gamble.com at May 3, 2002, 8:55 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Hi joeyl,
Please call me on it if you think I am promoting disreputable sites. Please. Player feedback is essential and critical for any real online gambling portal.
We have OPA'd our Directory clean, but it seems like there are always good apples that spoil and need to be tossed out. Aspinalls and Safari casino are two examples of this.
I have been ripped off before big time, and that is the last thing I want players to experience, so I may sound like Steve Adkins on this issue, but trying to recover money from a scam site is no pleasant task.
Afterall, gambling online is supposed to be *fun*, not a laborious chore where you have to worry about getting paid.
C.M.
www.bet2gamble.com
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 3, 2002, 7:52 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
Well call me naive.But i take no arguements against his.He is slapbang on.
This guy i like the sound of.(just don't give us/me a reason to point that same accusing finger at you B2G,okay,ever)
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| Posted by: Bet2Gamble.com at May 3, 2002, 4:26 am | | Topic: Pull The Plug Forum: Winner Online |
I would like to see online gambling sites end their affiliate/webmaster/partner programs for a number of reasons.
The most important reason is that this would wipe out all of the dime 95 "portals" which are mearly banner and affiliate farms that rarely offer anything substantive to the online gambler. I'm sick and tired of seeing mickey mouse "portal" owners talk their mumbo jumbo about how good X site is when they know they are thieving bastards. Do you think they would defend them if they didn't have an affiliate program?
And since when does slapping together some cookie cutter site make these people authorities on online gambling? Every time I watch these jokers post, I get a good laugh because I know they won't be around for that much longer.
One thing that is really funny is when "portal" owners *disagree* with someone who presents tons of evidence that the sites they promote are scams. It is so funny how 99% of the time those sites being de... | | Read Entire Entry |
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