| Posted by: joeyl at May 30, 2002, 6:00 pm | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Does sound possible Dave,it does.Certainly not impossible..I have no grounds to argue the toss with you.My guessing puts me on thin ice..I have read your input at the Meisters also,over and over.
All i have really is my hunch and Spear to follow in reality.
The bottom line you are appealing to is extra profit for the said organiser of such a practice.That points to greed in the end.That,in my ery humble opinion is the flaw alltold in my self confessed,peabrain mind regarding your conspiracy theory.May i call it that without demeaning you or your input?
I live in London,a ery rich area at that,poor as i am.Born here.That said,not more than 1 year ago,just up the road in Shepherds Bush.A man shot his own brother stone dead for the price of a bone to put in a pipe.He would'nt give him the 20 quid he demanded to go tear himself apart.Heartbreaking.After that,i'm afraid i have ery little faith in human nature where any form of chattel at all is involved..I have no reason to fabrica... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at May 30, 2002, 5:54 pm | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
[qtuoe]Hmm...I hope you are being sarcastic regarding the radio comments. As Im sure you know, there is no way to erify a nationality ia radio, nor a way to discern whether one is telling the truth or not just by listening to them.[/quote]I didn't say erify. I said you can tell. It's ery easy to tell when someone is lying as well.
First off, if you would go and listen, the first winner featured was the Cyberstud winner named Lasse, who said he was from Norway and dreamed of flying a fighter jet. Invested all of $700 ever since he started gambling online, hit a huge Cyberstud hackpot for $357K.
Then there was this lady - obviously from North America, East Coast, won a jackpot some time ago and all she bought was a pair of titanium sunglasses...
Trust me. If you listened you would know that there is no way this could be staged. And if you live in LA, this is broadcast live on Friday nights at 11:00. Very easy way to test this principle - simply call in when they invite callers.<... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dave R at May 30, 2002, 5:11 pm | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
JOEYL -
Pretend, for just a minute, that you owned your own software company that setup turnkey solutions for anyone that wanted to start thier own casino. You have a total of 20 licensees. As part of your turnkey solution, you own the ecash company as well, and you FORCE your licensees to rely on your ecash services. You also control your worldwide progressive jackpot server.
You create phony player accounts at each of your licensees. These players will be there for the sole purpose of creating phony monthly losses for these licensees. Anotherwords, these phony players win a lot of cash, thereby wiping out, or diminishing the licensees' monthly profits. Lets assume your agreement with XYZ casino is to keep 25% of thier net monthly margin. The other 75% goes directly to the licensee. Lets assume XYZ casino makes $100,000 monthly profit. The licensee keeps $75,000. It is unacceptable to you to allow your licensee to make this much money in a month, since you want the cash for yourself.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nvaughan3 at May 30, 2002, 4:37 pm | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
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Radio interviews DO NOT prove there is a real winner. LMAO, like you can discern whether personalities, "dreams", and COUNTRIES (!) are real by listening to a friggin radio? Are you that clueless?
You mean you can't hear when someone is from a different country? You mean you can't distinguish between personalities and their STATED dreams? Go listen and then tell me I'm wrong. Until then, I assume you're answering from sheer ignorance.
It's not that I don't entertain the idea that there could be wrongdoing. If there was wrongdoing, surely SOMEONE would have been able to expose this.
And as for "casino-side", why don't you ask some of the players here who have received assistance from me? If I were really only on the side of the casinos, what prevents me from accepting advertising from ANY casino that wants to advertise?
Your point really isn't much of anything but skepticism. Fine. B... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: joeyl at May 30, 2002, 2:14 pm | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
In this world we live,apparently everyone is entitled to have thier own opinion..I beg to differ.One may only have an opinion on something if they have atleast tried to investigate the apparent facts.Otherwise they are just guessing.Living through an incident or happening is another way of alidating an opinion..No point in me telling Damian about the streets of Compton,now is there?
If i am wrong then i "guess" there is no such thing as a nuclear bomb more powerful than the atomb bomb.I have seen no craters to disprove my guess.Enough bombs to disintegrate the earth 6 times over i hear.I'll believe it when i am floating through space on a biscuit sized piece of rubble.I guess the nuclear deterant is just an elabrate scheme concocted to avoid war.I am no budding nuclear physicist so my opinion,in my opinion,is nothing more than a guess.
Firstly,Dave R is entitled to his opinion on this matter as he has obviously tried his best to research the said issue.Whatever his agenda,or ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: slotski at May 30, 2002, 1:34 pm | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
I have basically ignored this thread. I will say I do think MG Progressives are legit, especially as compared to most of the other progressives online (I think Crypto is too, except for Jan's screwing on the Break the Bank).
As for the rest, I wouldnt be shocked to find they are fake.
PS- Spear is a straight shooter in my book for what its worth.
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| Posted by: tedm at May 30, 2002, 1:27 pm | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Spear's been punched around a lot recently and I think this bashing is unwarranted.
I find his candor refreshing.
Why should MG come here and defend itself on such an allegation (that the $1.5 mln jackpot was fixed)? It's absurd to think they could offer anything that would satisfy someone who didn't WANT to believe in the integrity of the game.
There are two ways to think about this. Either the whole thing is a scam or it isn't.
If it IS a scam then don't bother with online gambling because the games are crooked and you won't get paid if you win anyways.
If it's not a scam then the online gambling industry is still chaotic and unpredictable but at least there might be a fair game to be had at some places.
Like I mentioned before, in some cases there are blatant lies advertised. Some ABC casino will post that John D. won $250,000 at slots. If you believe that, you go play there and you lose your hundred or thousand dollars and hopefully you learn yo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at May 30, 2002, 11:16 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
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I guarantee you he knows that it probably costs him money coming here to post. If he put the same time into promoting his portal his ROI would be a lot higher.
More or less correct - but there's also another reason why I come here to post instead of marketing - the industry itself is important to me. I can only state iews which I believe are relevant and informed - it would be really stupid of me to make useless statements which could easily be shot down.
Most people here do not see both sides of the coin - they only see one perspective - can't exactly blame them for that, but they also have to understand that there will ALWAYS be another side. And when they choose to ignore the times when I happen to stand on their side, there isn't anything I can do.
Some people just can't trust anyone other than themselves.
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| Posted by: mustang at May 30, 2002, 11:08 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Sorry Syd...I slipped off my positive band-wagon for a second.
I understand why my positivity could be misconstrued as being "PRO Casino" and make some want to omit...but...I refuse to give into the idea that everyone sucks.
I think that enting helps the "vent-er" but it really doesn't do much else.
Like I told someone is a previous post, I can't sit by and not respond to posts that don't offer any solid solution...just reiterate the same old bashing.
I accept your truce...you have too many good ideas to get on your wrong side.
nvaughan3...I don't think that G2B has any responsibility or really much to gain by doing PR for the casinos in here. If someone comes in here they are not that likely to run over to his site and click on a banner and then drop a grand.
From what I have seen he is ery thoughtful. Anyone that intelligent isn't doing this for the money. I guarantee you he knows that it probably costs him money coming here t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at May 30, 2002, 11:08 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
As an aside - I don't do Microgaming's PR work, and I have repeatedly told them that they need to hire professional PR. My opinions are mine alone.
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Actually, are you aware that McDonald's is the world's largest purchaser of cow tongues? I guess that still counts as 100% beef....but yuck.
You JUST had to tell me that, didn't you? Yuuuuuuuuuuck...
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at May 30, 2002, 11:07 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
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Radio interviews DO NOT prove there is a real winner. LMAO, like you can discern whether personalities, "dreams", and COUNTRIES (!) are real by listening to a friggin radio? Are you that clueless?
You mean you can't hear when someone is from a different country? You mean you can't distinguish between personalities and their STATED dreams? Go listen and then tell me I'm wrong. Until then, I assume you're answering from sheer ignorance.
It's not that I don't entertain the idea that there could be wrongdoing. If there was wrongdoing, surely SOMEONE would have been able to expose this.
And as for "casino-side", why don't you ask some of the players here who have received assistance from me? If I were really only on the side of the casinos, what prevents me from accepting advertising from ANY casino that wants to advertise?
Your point really isn't much of anything but skepticism. Fine. Be a skeptic. If you don't think it's fair, ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Syd at May 30, 2002, 11:00 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
because people won't believe that McDonalds is selling 100% US Beef.
Actually, are you aware that McDonald's is the world's largest purchaser of cow tongues? I guess that still counts as 100% beef....but yuck.
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| Posted by: nvaughan3 at May 30, 2002, 10:51 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
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I just told you that I have personally communicated with more than three winners. On top of that, I do not receive any compensation from Microgaming at all, other than from casinos through advertising or affiliate deals. This has been clearly disclosed before - and I have also pointed out that I do not exclusively accept advertising or affiliate deals from Microgaming-powered casinos..
Nice avoidence there. You continually mention not accepting money from microgaming itself. That doesnt matter. A large number of "reputable" and popular casinos are powered by MG, and as such I would assume you get a significant amount of traffic from going to those casinos.
That fact doesnt change the fact that as a portal owner you really have to stick up for those casinos unless they are grossly inept or conclusively lying. I dont fault you for this, as you have a business built on their reputation. It makes sense! What bothers me is your refusal to even entertain any... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nvaughan3 at May 30, 2002, 10:41 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
You are not publicly linked to any software provider, you mean.
Your accusations are so groundless as to be totally ridiculous. When people point you to proof, you are not willing to accept it. If we find 5 players who will front up, you'll want 6. And even when something is backed with a statement from an accounting firm, you refuse to accept it. Nothing is ever good enough to satisfy you.
It's a good thing there aren't many people like you - otherwise the world economy would collapse because people won't believe that McDonalds is selling 100% US Beef. That the nutritional labels on food are invalid because they are not certified by Andersen. Etc., etc., etc.
In the meantime, what proof have you EVER posted of ANYTHING pointing to something unusual from ANY software provider?
Z I L C H O. EVER. Get your butt over to Jackpot Radio and spend some time listening to DIFFERENT winners with DIFFERENT personalities from DIFFERE... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Syd at May 30, 2002, 10:01 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang:
Syd...I know what you are talking about. I watch SNL...have seen the skit. You made a smart ass comment about me...so...I just turned it into a positive. A little laugh at you...what's wrong is your ANAL-ysts job making you tense
Good one Mustang
This may be your first negative post. There may be hope for you yet.
Seriously Mustang, sometimes you are just too "pro" casino. People come here to ent...not to hear the same crap the casino managers are spewing. Can you understand why sometimes your "positive" attitude makes some of us want to puke?
Peace
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| Posted by: mustang at May 30, 2002, 9:54 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
tedm...good points.
But if the casino was trying to cheat then why would they have the same person win more than one time? It would be a lot less suspicious if everyone had a different name and was from a different country.
Maybe this winner poured a ton of their winnings back into the same jackpot. I know that if I won a million dollars I would probably drop a little of that in an attempt to win it again...at least once it got back up in the million range again.
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| Posted by: tedm at May 30, 2002, 9:51 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Dave the question about someone winning a lot of jackpots is a good one which deserves to be answered.
There are people for whatever reason who win a good number of jackpots. You can call them shills or what have you but either these people play a LOT or they have great luck.
Such people DO exist.
Sometimes, in fact usually, the whole thing is a fraud (I love reading the winners list of some of these bogus casinos!) which is why I can understand your questions but other times the wins are perfectly legitimate.
Sure, in this case the person who won could be somehow associated with MGS. I don't know if I am that jaded yet to believe that.
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| Posted by: mustang at May 30, 2002, 9:47 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Syd...I know what you are talking about. I watch SNL...have seen the skit. You made a smart ass comment about me...so...I just turned it into a positive. A little laugh at you...what's wrong is your ANAL-ysts job making you tense?
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at May 30, 2002, 9:47 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
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3) The portal owners who are contesting my "allegations" are people who are profiting every single time a players clicks onto a MGS powered casino at thier portal. Whenever money is involved there is montivation to protect ones interests.
I just told you that I have personally communicated with more than three winners. On top of that, I do not receive any compensation from Microgaming at all, other than from casinos through advertising or affiliate deals. This has been clearly disclosed before - and I have also pointed out that I do not exclusively accept advertising or affiliate deals from Microgaming-powered casinos.
Would you rather I just accepted advertising from everyone who approached me regardless of what I think of their software? Had I done this from the start, I would be pretty well off now. Instead, I chose to take the high road. This oft-repeated point of yours is wearing thin and carries little weight.
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| Posted by: Dr_Bonus_Love at May 30, 2002, 9:42 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Many players are convinced that Microgaming isn't on the up and up.
It's too bad that this irks Spearmaster and other casino-side types. Players ote with their dollars, and let their thoughts be known on public forums.
It seems that Microgaming (and portal owners) can't take the heat. They would prefer players just shut up, but hat will never happen.
Dave R. you're my hero!
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| Posted by: Dave R at May 30, 2002, 9:22 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Also, I would like to respond to a message posted by Jetset, which I didn't come across till just recently:
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Dave, what would you personally regard as adequate proof that MGS (or for that matter Cryptologic or maybe Boss who are gearing progressives)are on the level with their numerous offerings?
I can't agree with your accusations on progressives - you keep bringing this accusation up but never substantiate it. And firing broadsides at others here who have contested your allegations (even apparently implying that they are "tagging" their opposition to your iews) does you no credit.
You have repeatedly raised these MGS allegations of rigged games and false progressives, followed by implications that any portal owner who disagrees with you is deliberately perpetuating this "fraud" you allege. I am also troubled by... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mustang at May 30, 2002, 9:11 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Dave, Dave, Dave...Just because someone disagrees with you doen't mean that they work for a casino/turnkey provider.
I have discussed this with other "like minded" people on other boards and a lot of them will not even come over here because they always get acussed of being shills.
I tend to lean towards common sense and you tend to fly off on emotional rants.
"In this particular case of the Major Millions jackpot winner, I DO believe the player IS REAL. I do not want to publicly disclose why I believe this, but I have enough evidence to substantiate this."
Don't you think this statement is hypocritical? Now you want us to TRUST YOU?
But DaveR (Microgaming) doesn't have to PROVE anything, DOES IT. Why should such a respected poster (corporation) have to prove itself?
I haven't asked for proof. I don't know of anyone personally that has. There is an issue of the player's privacy. But if the player agrees to give their personal data... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MrWolf at May 30, 2002, 9:11 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
Dave -If they are plants, just how many shills do you think Microgaming can possibly come up with?
Got2Bet,
Just in case they're running short, could you let them know I'm available at reasonable rates! LOL
In all seriousness though, congrats to the lucky winner.
And thank funk (sorry Damian) it's been won -perhaps now I can get back to the serious business of making cash at blackjack and baccarat without dropping $50 here and there chasing the elusive jackpot!
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at May 30, 2002, 9:04 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
You are not publicly linked to any software provider, you mean.
Your accusations are so groundless as to be totally ridiculous. When people point you to proof, you are not willing to accept it. If we find 5 players who will front up, you'll want 6. And even when something is backed with a statement from an accounting firm, you refuse to accept it. Nothing is ever good enough to satisfy you.
It's a good thing there aren't many people like you - otherwise the world economy would collapse because people won't believe that McDonalds is selling 100% US Beef. That the nutritional labels on food are invalid because they are not certified by Andersen. Etc., etc., etc.
In the meantime, what proof have you EVER posted of ANYTHING pointing to something unusual from ANY software provider?
Z I L C H O. EVER. Get your butt over to Jackpot Radio and spend some time listening to DIFFERENT winners with DIFFERENT personalities from DIFFERENT parts of the world talk about their DIFFEREN... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dave R at May 30, 2002, 8:55 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Hahaha! Your above message had me laughing on the floor, Spearmaster.
My only agenda is to get proof that these jackpots are real, and to get regulation.
Pictures and stories do little to convince me. Interviews on JackpotRadio also do little to convince me. All of this could be manufactured (made up).
The only thing that might sway me to your line of thinking is if an international auditing firm became involved in the
"back end" processing.
I know folks from Microgaming monitor this forum on a weekly basis. Even AmateurSleuth says this! If this is true, than its time for Dean or Julian or Roger or Martin Moshal himself to reply to this message and tell me what they are willing to do to convince me and many others that thier jackpots are real.
As for my so called agenda, you can can do a seach of my messages for the past 3 and 1/2 years at the Casinomeister Forum (www.casinomeister.com), and you'll see I am not linked to any software provider.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Syd at May 30, 2002, 8:49 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Dave: I'm not sure I agree with your entire post however, I do think Mustang has some type of wierd agenda...or he's a motivational speaker who lives in a an...down by the river.
Spear: I think it's quite possible Dave got burned by Microgaming and he's on a mission. If I felt certain that an online casino had screwed me out of a couple of thousand...I would spend twice that to "get even" and expose them...but then again, that's me.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at May 30, 2002, 8:32 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Dave -
You're obviously not as fair as I thought you were. You clearly have an agenda against Microgaming.
How about certain jackpots on the Net that have NEVER EVER been won? None of these are Microgaming, of that I assure you.
Jackpot Madness posts pictures and stories of these winners if they get permission. If they are plants, just how many shills do you think Microgaming can possibly come up with? How do you explain the fact that at least THREE jackpot winners have posted here, two of which were worried about getting their winnings? How do you think Microgaming can determine which casino has a jackpot winner, and why would they choose Captain Cooks for this most recent win?
I have PERSONALLY been in contact with more than three winners - but you'll just say I'm tainted as well, so let's just forget I said that.
Summary: A G E N D A.
Come clean. What IS your agenda? Or do you work for a rival provider yourself which cannot compete? Given all of y... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dave R at May 30, 2002, 8:16 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
Mustang -
What casino/turnkey provider do you work for?
Microgaming cannot provide me with evidence of all but a couple of real jackpot winners.
This means THE WHOLE THING COULD BE A SCAM.
In this particular case of the Major Millions jackpot winner, I DO believe the player IS REAL. I do not want to publicly disclose why I believe this, but I have enough evidence to substantiate this.
However, what about all the other Microgaming progressive jackpots. THERE IS SIMPLY NO EVIDENCE. It's Microgaming's word against mine. I could tell them till I'm blue in the face that I don't believe its real, and they can continue sending me a ery long laundry list of reasons WHY MGS would never lie about this jackpot. At the top of this list, is ofcourse, the reason that Mustang just gave. Microgaming has already made its profit off the slot machine, and this jackpot money is collected into a pool from all MGS licensees, and they are an extremely reputable company who would never ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mustang at May 30, 2002, 7:57 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
I have heard in an old post on this board that MG licensees all contribute to some kind of pool to cover these progressive jackpots.
Is this true? If so then I do believe that this is a real winner. Why would they lie about it? Even $1,000,000 is a small price to pay for the increase in traffic that these casinos could see by offering these games.
What is the hold on these progressive games? They might be structured like the lottery where the money is already in the pot before someone can win.
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| Posted by: luckystrike at May 30, 2002, 12:40 am | | Topic: Now can this be real? over 1 Million Jackpot won.. Forum: Winner Online |
For me this seems hard to believe:
ONE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS The highest ever jackpot in the history of online gaming has just been won by a player at Captain Cook’s Casino!
This lucky sailor has won an unbelievable $1, 594, 000! Yes sir, your eyes are not deceiving you! $1, 594, 000 has just been won at Captain Cook’s Casino on the Magic Millions Progressive Slot.
The lucky winner has been playing at Captain Cook’s for the last 18 months and we are absolutely delighted that one of our players has won such a staggering amount!
As we say each week in the newsletter “when we play together at Captain Cook’s, we stay together!”
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