| Posted by: vickinz at June 11, 2002, 9:47 pm | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Thought it was 2-year anniversary of this post... but you put month first compared to us who put day first.
Do you reckon there's more or less dissatisfaction today?
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 11, 2000, 11:04 pm | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Thought this would be of further interest. It's a CNN article on web-head counting.
Very important to note what they say about sample sizes.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/comput...s.ap/index.html
I also should point out that someone with a research background pointed out something that I wasn't clear about.
The quality of the sample is more important than the size - ie. as long as the respondents were carefully selected using the right criteria, the survey would have more alidity. Just having 100K or more respondents does not necessarily make a survey more accurate unless they have all met reasonable criteria.
What I wish to point out is that, once respondents meet these criteria, the larger samples will always be more representative.
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| Posted by: DaiLun at September 8, 2000, 11:47 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
I sent them my constructive criticism today. It's obvious to me that they don't understand internet gaming or gaming in general, at all. I advised them to do a little more homework before trying to publish something information and/or make sure that their respondent pool is representative.
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| Posted by: Radio Boy at September 8, 2000, 1:30 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Nearly a third (31 percent) of online gamblers are not satisfied with Internet gambling sites. Only 15 percent of respondents feel online casinos are more fun than their offline counterparts. Furthermore, 89 percent are willing only to play for free, and a majority of those who do risk money spend less than $10 per isit.
can anyone name 3 casinos that allow you to buy in for $10 min or less?? most if not all are $20
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 7, 2000, 7:33 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
OK, NOW we have a discussion.
Greenfields claims that places like FreeLotto and Gamesville are "gambling" - yet they cannot possibly risk money online at these sites. Of the six sites listed, (one changed), only ONE is a casino site, while the changed one (casino.net) is just a doorway to another site which has a casino - ery strange that a doorway is so popular, isn't it?
The survey sample is extremely small. PCDataOnline has a sample of more than 100,000 pre-screened users they monitor all the time.
Because respondents could not possibly gamble at any place but Golden Palace, it only stands to reason that they spend less than $10 a isit. Most of the sites are FREE.
Does any of this look representative of a REAL online gambling industry? Hardly.
No one disputes the fact that there will be people who don't trust online casinos. No one will dispute the fact that people do not feel safe gambling online. But the facts and figures they are using to just... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: paulsy at September 7, 2000, 3:55 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
I've been called all sorts, much to my amusement really - have a field day, those of you who feel inclined.
I don't work for Greenfield - hadn't even heard of them before actually. I didn't even find their report that enlightening.
BUT this is what I am on about.
You rubbish the report because a high percentage of the players chose free sites as their favorite sites and because of that their iews were worthless. To me it indicated that many people had had bad experiences with real money casinos or were not prepared to trust them.
What was it that Greenfields misrepresented?
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| Posted by: Jetset at September 7, 2000, 12:08 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Paulsy, when several people with more than a passing knowledge of the online gambling industry independently concur on a subject like this you can bet that there is a solid foundation to their arguments. This is not simply a matter of mindless agreement with other people you know as you imply. You would be a fool to assume otherwise.
As to insulting people (presumably like you who are pretty abrasive themselves) you will stand less chance of being flamed if you have a cogent argument and you air it in a reasoned way.
If you think that you have been insulted thus far then I would have to say that you quite possibly ain't seen nothing yet.
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 6, 2000, 10:00 pm | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Strong accusation, Paulsy. How about backing it up with FACTS?
Greenfield has produced a ery poor report. Even a baby can see that there is something wrong here - so am I to deduce that perhaps you have something to do with them?
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 6, 2000, 1:56 pm | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Backing off?
Further into the doghouse if you ask me! Perhaps they did mean Casino-On-Net - but neither casinonet.com nor casino.net is right.
Or maybe it was casino.com? No matter which way you look at it I think they might be better off performing in the circus... Circus Circus, even...
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| Posted by: Jetset at September 6, 2000, 1:16 pm | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
They seem to be backing off a little, eh?
I'm not surprised - from a professional research organisation I would have expected a more diligent and comprehensive approach. The study subjects were selected as a representative sample of over 21 years "who have 'visited' an online gambling site" ?? Perhaps that explains why their knowledge of the sites was so thin. The ten bucks a head average is frankly ridiculous, too in my iew.
No-one doubts that players get disappointed and angry when they are messed about by sub-standard casinos, but if we're boasting about professional surveys let's make sure they are conducted sensibly.
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| Posted by: ChuckG at September 6, 2000, 12:36 pm | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Greenfield has made a correction to their previous press release. Here it is:
Correction -- Greenfield Online
In NYTU130, Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades, moved yesterday, we are advised by the company that the URL for Casino.net was incorrectly listed as Casinonet.com. The complete, corrected ersion follows:
Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades
WILTON, Conn., Sept. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- Greenfield Online's new What Are the Odds? study of online gamblers reveals lots of gripes about Internet gambling activities on the Internet.
Nearly a third (31 percent) of online gamblers are not satisfied with Internet gambling sites. Only 15 percent of respondents feel online casinos are more fun than their offline counterparts. Furthermore, 89 percent are willing only to play for free, and a majority of those who do risk money spend less than $10 per isit.
The most serious gripe is that some 60 percent of the 2,000 people surveyed believe online gambling sites... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 6, 2000, 8:29 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
If Chuck is wrong, then so am I - and Jetset - and just about every one else that I have talked to.
I have experience doing research and surveys - but it doesn't take a PhD to realize that this is a ery poorly conducted survey. In my mind Greenfields have not only done the industry an injustice, but they have done themselves much more harm by even releasing such poorly-gathered data.
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| Posted by: ChuckG at September 6, 2000, 8:08 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
paulsy - No facts have been 'screwed' and I stand by my article 100%
I don't disagree that many gamblers are dissatisfied. But, in my opinion, this press release contains too many errors on key points to be taken seriously.
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| Posted by: paulsy at September 6, 2000, 5:02 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
So what's wrong with the Greenfield report?
www.casinonet.com is obviously supposed to be www.casinoonet.com
Its states that gamblers distrust online casinos and make the free play sites more popular because of that fact.
Why does the 'editor' of winneronline screw the facts to suit himself.
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| Posted by: Jetset at September 6, 2000, 4:15 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Here's the NetRatings-Nielsen stats I mentioned earlier:
According to Nielsen//NetRatings, gambling sites on the Internet are not nearly as popular as no-stakes gaming and free sweepstakes sites. In fact, ZDNet reports that none of the top-rated gambling sites for July made it into the million-visitor club. According to Neilsen//NetRatings, the most popular gambling site in July was VirtualVegas.com with 949,659 unique isitors. However, VirtualVegas.com is not a true gambling site since players compete for prizes by playing no-stakes games.
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| Posted by: ChuckG at September 5, 2000, 2:08 pm | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
I know what you mean, Spearmaster. We're going to have to start collaborating on some of this stuff. I'll send you an email.
Happy writing.
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 5, 2000, 12:19 pm | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
LOL Chuck, talk about fast off the mark! My article isn't due until tomorrow, and you already have yours up!
Next time you'll check the forums before you write something LOL. And thanks for the ZDNet link, ery useful... going to read your article now!
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| Posted by: ChuckG at September 5, 2000, 11:44 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Some gambling figures from Zdnet
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/sto...2622636,00.html
I think these are the ones Jetset is referring to.
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| Posted by: ChuckG at September 5, 2000, 11:38 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Man, you guys are fast off the mark on this one. I got that press release in my email this morning and did a short article on it at http://www.winneronline.com/article...fieldsurvey.htm
Judging by Greenfield's reporting, I don't think the study is worth taking seriously.
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 5, 2000, 9:13 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
[code]Rank Overall Rank Web Site Reach Unique Users (000)
1 40 gamesville.com 10.50% 8,613
2 227 irtualvegas.com 3.60% 2,976
3 314 entercasino.com 2.80% 2,319
4 485 lucky7.com 1.90% 1,596
5 595 goldenpalace.com 1.60% 1,323[/code]
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 5, 2000, 8:55 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Hitmob, as far as I know that is BS. My own survey shows a ery high bias towards download casinos.
Jetset, you're probably right, though I haven't seen that. But I do have PCDataOnline stats from July which were interesting... if I can only find them now...
DRAT! Destroyed in the hard drive crash. Fortunately, my 10-day subscription hasn't expired, so going to get them again...
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| Posted by: Jetset at September 5, 2000, 8:36 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks for posting that, Spearmaster - and for your shrewd comments with which I largely agree. Hasn't NetRatings Nielsen also just released some stats which show (free no money gambling) Virtual Vegas as a highly frequented online gambling site - nearly a million isitors was a number I seem to recall....
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| Posted by: Radio Boy at September 5, 2000, 8:30 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
yep spearmaster $10 wagered online doesnt ring true 2000 people is no real cross section but still interesting reading, good to see gp still doing so well haha
also thats gss software company mention that 81% of winneronline people who took part in a poll (at winneronline) prefer java software, the words my arse spring to mind
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 5, 2000, 8:15 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Before you get too excited, Hitmob - I would be willing to bet this is a ery low-end sample - and 2,000 respondents perhaps represent no more than 0.1% of the online population who actually gamble.
Freelotto #1? Gamesville? Told you who the biggest was, and why they deserve to be blown out of the water... what the heck is irtualeyes.com - can't even access the site!, and no surprise that casino-on-net has grown dramatically.
Just thought it would be interesting to see, but my opinion is not to take everything in that article too seriously.
I will be writing on this issue shortly.
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| Posted by: Spearmaster at September 5, 2000, 7:59 am | | Topic: Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades Forum: Winner Online |
Thought this would be of interest:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000905/ct_online_.html
Online Gamblers Are Not Satisfied, In Spades
WILTON, Conn., Sept. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- Greenfield Online's new What Are the Odds? study of online gamblers reveals lots of gripes about Internet gambling activities on the Internet.
Nearly a third (31 percent) of online gamblers are not satisfied with Internet gambling sites. Only 15 percent of respondents feel online casinos are more fun than their offline counterparts. Furthermore, 89 percent are willing only to play for free, and a majority of those who do risk money spend less than $10 per isit.
The most serious gripe is that some 60 percent of the 2,000 people surveyed believe online gambling sites are "fixed."
Despite their discontent, the online gambling public isits multiple online gambling sites, with most people isiting two. The most popular are:
Site % Visited
Freelotto.com 59%
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