| Posted by: Dann at July 22, 2002, 3:19 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso, you're such baby...
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PERSONAL BOYCOTT LIST: CasinoBar.com (proven to be rigged)
CasinoOnAir.com (sister site of CasinoBar.com)
BlackjackBallroom.com (fair games, poor customer service)
ReefClubCasino.com (poor management)
Caruso
[This message has been edited by Dann (edited 07-22-2002).]
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| Posted by: vickinz at July 22, 2002, 2:12 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
I too was surprised that OPA was contacted after just a few days. No wonder OPA are righting so many wrongs!
I've never used OPA yet always having chased casinos up myself; thinking they intervened only in big problems. However, a coupla times I have threatened OPA action after 2-7 months of no pay.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 22, 2002, 2:03 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Well Dann...you really told me..
No, my presence in Dann's little list should remain; it shows exactly how seriously the thing should be taken.
Bottom line - BJ Ballroom is a perfectly reputable casino. We all have problems occasionally, which we knuckle down and sort out. We don't needlessly contact the OPA. If we get this stressed about $100 or so tied up unexpectedly for a few days we really shouldn't be gambling with that money. It can be put to better (and less age-inducing) uses.
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| Posted by: vickinz at July 21, 2002, 9:48 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Friend I referred had the problems, but I told him what to do!
A coupla times when I've had difficulties with a casino, I tell the ecash processor too, like Paypal, Proc Cyber etc., partly to ent, partly to let them know a casino may be in bad shape(?), but also to let them know if the casino is using them as the excuse for not coming up with the cash LOL!
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| Posted by: Wave at July 21, 2002, 9:01 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Dann, I urge you to take caruso off your PERSONAL BOYCOTT LIST, because:
- The purpose of your signature idea is to help a newbie from stumbling across one of these casinos, caruso is not casino.
- Contrary to BJ Ballroom, caruso does not lack of communications with but is SO responsive(instead of taking 2 weeks)to you.
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| Posted by: Dann at July 21, 2002, 6:12 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Zrap - The money wasn't credited back until two weeks later (6/23)
Vicki - sorry to hear about the problems you had too. 16x? Jeesh! What a pain in the butt.
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PERSONAL BOYCOTT LIST: CasinoBar.com (proven to be rigged)
CasinoOnAir.com (sister site of CasinoBar.com)
BlackjackBallroom.com (fair games, poor customer service)
ReefClubCasino.com (poor management)
Caruso
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| Posted by: vickinz at July 21, 2002, 5:16 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
BJ was excellent for 3 of us (OK'd by casino) when we redeemed MCO points; but I think some MGs "try it on" hoping player will play again and lose it all.
Another MG reversed cashout despite all requirements being met. They then imposed new rules, so rather than squabble, met those. Then they did this a third time!! Met again! But still no cashout.
After angry emails, they said payment would go through. But wait for it! Proc Cyber then requested full set of documents because "investigation" required. Well, after Proc Cyber told of casino's shady tricks to avoid paying out, PC said it was the casino who wanted documents. Why hadn't casino asked themselves much earlier!
Next were threats of OPA and posts on boards which got payment within hours. It ended up around l6x wagering in all.
They then contritely credited $10 freebie - but would you want more grief! I posted friend's experience and another member here said same casino, same shenanigans! | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zrapture at July 21, 2002, 4:52 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Dann, Had the money been reversed back to your account or was it juast sitting as a pending cashout? Also, were you dealing with proc-cyber or the casino?
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| Posted by: Dann at July 21, 2002, 3:49 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso, usually I respond to people in a decent matter, no matter how polite or impolite they are. But in your case, the only response you're warranted is a simple "f_ck off."
Believe it or not, some people have had bad experiences with online casinos. I know, shocking - huh? Just because your experience at a casino was pleasant does not mean everyone's else was. Why do you seem to have such a problem comprehending this? It's not that complicated.
And again, I never questioned the game's fairness. Please read what you're replying to before you spout off.
And now, I'm pissed that I've had to spend this amount of time responding to you. You would much rather listen to yourself talk and convey the image that you are some type of gambling genius than promote to the friendly nature of this board. If it weren't for smart asses like you, this would truly be a fun messageboard all the time.
So please disregard the rest of this post. I am posting the following for ne... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at July 21, 2002, 7:30 am | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Dann - sorry, what you "truly believe might happen" is irrelevant. I truly believe I might win my next online game - er...yes, right.
Do you have proof that BJ Ballroom are cheats? Did they not pay? Was it a big cashout? Unless you hit a Royal I doubt it was beyond the $200 mark - NO WAY would they bother screwing around for that sort of sum. You say you got the OPA involved; this is all ery ague; because they refused to respond to Emails? How long did you give them? Did you pick up the phone? In all my (pretty thorough) MG experience I've never had to wait more than a few seconds for an answer, even if I've occasionally had to utilize an "other country" phone line. Was it resolved? What was the problem, in the end? Were the OPA satisfied that no further action was required?
Do you get my drift?
Bottom line - the fact that you had a "bad time" with them (quotation marks because I sense a spot of subjectiveness in all this) is not in any way rele... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dann at July 21, 2002, 6:46 am | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by DONGAMBLER:
Just as you feel the need to warn, I feel the need to let everyone know that the BJ Ballroom and its affiliates are OK places to play and if you don't like it, too damn bad, as you would say.
Why would I have a problem with that? It's your opinion, and I have no control over that. Just like you have no control over my opinions.
Caruso - I truly believe that a new player could have the same problems I did at Blackjack Ballroom (no response, emails ignored, four weeks for payment), so if someone is looking for a place to play, I would personally recommend that they play at another MG site.
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PERSONAL BOYCOTT LIST: CasinoBar.com (proven to be rigged)
CasinoOnAir.com (sister site of CasinoBar.com)
BlackjackBallroom.com (fair games, poor customer service)
ReefClubCasino.com (poor management)
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| Posted by: eek at July 20, 2002, 2:53 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
What was the size of your sample caruso.
Im afraid if its less that 10,000,000,000,000 hands then its usless.
eek
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at July 20, 2002, 2:48 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Well Dann.. you really told me..
What about the other three casinos (4 counting the flash casino) that are affiliated with BJ Ballroom and use the same support? Wouldn't those be bad too? Don't you need to warn all the new people about those also? Same outfit.
Everyone who is a eteran player on-line has at one time or another had problems with different casinos support personnel. That doesn't make them a bad place. Maybe your problem wasn't even with the casino and was with Proc Cyber, but you went through the casino support to try to deal with it.
Just as you feel the need to warn, I feel the need to let everyone know that the BJ Ballroom and its affiliates are OK places to play and if you don't like it, too damn bad, as you would say.
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| Posted by: KX at July 20, 2002, 2:27 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Oops. Forgot to tick...
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| Posted by: KX at July 20, 2002, 2:25 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
I tend to agree with Dann on this one...
The players get input from several sources. If BJ Ballroom is ONLY on Danns list then theyīll probably consider it safe anyhow. If itīs on more ppls lists then theyīll avoid it.
What Dann has experienced isnīt acceptable and I canīt see anything wrong with that being enough to put the casino on HIS blacklist.
I havenīt had any problems with BJ Ballroom (except for the extreme stupidity of not including BJ in their promotions...), but there has been OPA-complaints about them.
I was inspired by Danns idea, but I prefer to spread light on the good ones as u can see below.
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| Posted by: zrapture at July 20, 2002, 2:22 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
What was the nature of your problem that a simple phone call to their supports couldn't handle? Your signature idea is pretty good, but I'm sure every reputable casino has had a problem/miscommunication with a player at onetime or another. In that case every casino would be in someones sig. Heck, some members might decide to include the casinos they believe rigged (aka casinos they lost at.) Their signatures could take up half the page.
You can play BJ at BlackJack Ballroom, just not for promos, so there is nothing wrong with that.
I'm glad Dicks Sporting Goods doesn't find it necessary to let their name effect their product line.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 20, 2002, 2:07 pm | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Problem is that a "personal list" isn't of much alue to those you seek to enlighten; I don't know the details of your complaint (it might not hurt to throw some light on this one), but the Casino Rewards group does not have any blackmarks beside its name as far as I know, and they're generally well regarded.
Casino Bar / Air have been conclusively proven to deal a fraudulent game; Reef Club have retroactively removed bonuses ("casino chargeback"); Cyber Croupier did the same.
These are the crooks whose thievery should not be allowed to fall to the back of gamblers' fragile memories.
Including an otherwise reputable MG with no history of any wrongdoing serves no purpose, and it rather "up-values" the REAL crooks in the list ("heck, what can Casino Bar / Cyber Croupier have done if they're no worse than BJ Ballroom??")
The Good Of The Masses before the Good Of The Individual, so to speak - which is your stated aim.
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| Posted by: Dann at July 20, 2002, 10:30 am | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by DONGAMBLER:
There is nothing wrong with the Blackjack Ballroom. They are 100% trustworthy. The CS has been on level with other places. I guess Dann really hasn't played too much if he doesn't know that. Anyone that only has 4 casinos on their crap list probably hasn't played much.
Don, that's crappy reasoning for many reasons.
- There is something wrong with the CS when it takes numerous emails, phone calls and the OPA to get any type of response from the casino... even once.
- I have played many, many places - and MG casino are, by far, my favorite. But, despite Blackjack Ballroom being a Microgaming, I am ery unimpressed by them. Not all MG casinos are necassarily good places to play. Remember Goodfellas?
- I'm not including this list in my signature to help people like you. It's for people that have played little - if any - online. Perhaps you don't realize that many people on this messageboard aren't as "seasoned" a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at July 20, 2002, 8:48 am | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
There is nothing wrong with the Blackjack Ballroom. They are 100% trustworthy. The CS has been on level with other places. I guess Dann really hasn't played too much if he doesn't know that. Anyone that only has 4 casinos on their crap list probably hasn't played much.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 20, 2002, 8:09 am | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
I'd also have to wonder why BJ Ballroom is disreputable. The question of disallowed games is not relevant to their trustworthiness & general quality - if you don't like it, don't play it. Anyway, MG has a good selection of VP.
What's up with their CS? I've never, to date, had problems contacting any MG, always by phone (I never Email, takes too long).
They're part of the Casino Rewards group, which is pretty reputable, to the best of my knowledge.
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| Posted by: Dann at July 20, 2002, 7:57 am | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Aside from the "no blackjack" policy for wagering requirements (which I found quite odd, given their name), I was deeply disappointed by their customer service - or, their lack thereof. I have no doubts they offer a fair game, but a casino really needs to complement that with good cutomer service.
I kind of wish more members had this type of signature when I first began gambling online (well, I wish the responsible members did, anyway). It might have steered me clear of some places I wish I hadn't played at.
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PERSONAL BOYCOTT LIST: CasinoBar.com, CasinoOnAir.com, BlackjackBallroom.com, ReefClubCasino.com
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| Posted by: zrapture at July 20, 2002, 7:53 am | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Seems like a pretty good idea.
Why BlackJack Ballroom though? They are a good casino, doesn't seem like they fit in with the rest.
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| Posted by: Dann at July 20, 2002, 7:50 am | | Topic: ReefClubCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
After reading the arrogant remarks made by this casino's manager, I was inspired to create a new type of "signature." Perhaps it will help a newbie from stumbling across one of these places.
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PERSONAL BOYCOTT LIST: CasinoBar.com, CasinoOnAir.com, BlackjackBallroom.com, ReefClubCasino.com
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