| Posted by: HKGambler at July 29, 2002, 1:20 am | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
Erik said trust is a two-way street, just like in Antwerp.
It has no point in comparing online gambling with Antwerp or B&M casinos regarding trust. Two are of different scenarios.
Casinos trust players? So that they don't require fax-back forms, all kinds of ID check? Let players pay after lose, by instalments?
Players trust casinos? So that they don't mind putting huge sums of deposits for nothing? Need not keep play logs?
Don't be silly. It's business, which is what you can offer to attract patronization for a price and customers pay that price for your products/services promised. This has been said many times, no new idea, but since your stupid & unethical misdeed as of late, you require one more lesson. Will you learn?
When you say x times wagering requirement, be it 2 or 100, it's an explicit deal, one dime more, done; one dime less, undone. Neat & tidy.
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| Posted by: zrapture at July 29, 2002, 12:29 am | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
Erik said
"If you have any knowledge of how the B & M casino world works, you would know that if casino gives you free chips, it does not have to follow you around. Most of the time these free chips are unique to the casino and not accepted anywhere else."
What the heck are you talking about? What B&M casinos give to players in USA (not sure about other countries) are usually matchplay coupons and free rooms, etc.
Players are more the free to play a couple matchplays then leave without playing anything else if they so chose. Once they are comped a room, the casino doesn't barge in on them in the middle of the night and tell them they didn't play enough, they are no longer welcome players at the casino and tell them to leave in the middle of the night.
Once you get casino chips in a B&M casino you are free to exchange that for cash, it is considered your money. So what does it matter if those chips aren't accepted at other casinos.
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at July 28, 2002, 11:00 pm | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
Erik Shirak posted:
"However, before making statements, check your facts.
Playing a ictim and continuing to paint these horrifying pictures of monster casinos taking away the poor player’s winnings may give you a comforting buzz, but sometimes it does not hurt to wake up and face the reality."
Mr.Shirak,
In your assessment of "Facing the reality",
are you not aware of the many casino's
that have lied, cheated, failed to pay
winners, come up with all kinds of "lame"
excuses for not awarding legitimate winnings,
and have displayed other "contemptable"
ways of conducting business?
So for you to sarcastically state;
"Playing a ictim and continuing to paint these horrifying pictures of monster casinos taking away the poor player’s winnings may give you a comforting buzz"
is both a denial of "real occurrences",
and a poor attempt on your part to
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| Posted by: Erik Shirak at July 28, 2002, 10:02 pm | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso, even though you are upset without a reason I still can understand that.
However, before making statements, check your facts.
Playing a ictim and continuing to paint these horrifying pictures of monster casinos taking away the poor player’s winnings may give you a comforting buzz, but sometimes it does not hurt to wake up and face the reality.
At no time did any of Cassava casinos applied its rules retroactively or took anybody’s winnings away. I dare you to find one person who can claim and prove that Reef Club or Casino-on-Net illegitimately took his or her winnings away.
There is a miniscule number of players who are not allowed to cash out their bonuses simply because their action is not welcomed in our casino. Period.
Although I have said this numerous times, I will repeat it again: No New Wagering Requirements Were Applied To Any Of The Players. It does not matter how many times they wagered, they were not allowed to cash out the bonus.
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| Posted by: Woody0 at July 27, 2002, 5:55 pm | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
My comment from another thread.
When a player deposits at a casino for a bonus she enters into a contract with the casino . Granted nothing is signed, but it is nevertheless a contract. In Antwerp the wholesale diamond market operates on a handshake, it relies on trust and the ethical behaviour of the participants.
Similarly the relationship between an online casino and its players is one of trust. Once unethical behaviour breaches that trust then the market breaks down.
An online casino exists only on trust. Those that break this trust should be blackballed and their behaviour prominently displayed.
[This message has been edited by Woody0 (edited 07-27-2002).]
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| Posted by: caruso at July 27, 2002, 8:03 am | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
I dare say after Greef Club set the ball rolling there'll be a brief spate of arious forms of casino thievery, all of which will be based on the "We reserve the right..." clause. Once their business dwindles to nothing and the word goes around, things should get back to normal - with a few more thieves ousted from the industry.
Plus, a few "good" names will have been tarnished for good, with presumably a huge loss of revenue as a result - as of now, Casino On Net and WWTS. And all because "we claerly state in our T & C that we maintain the right to cheat our customers".
Short sighted incompetents.
Even Casino On Net. That one ranks as the surprise of the month.
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at July 27, 2002, 7:51 am | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
And then there is the deal where if you win a Cash Prize in a drawing, you must then wager it "X" times before it is yours!!
Never had a B&M casino insist that I wager before leaving the casino!!
Also, I haven't had them "lure" me inside with a free $20, give it to me, then follow me around to make sure I spend it there, either!!
If I don'w wager enough, they simply don't send me any more promotions!!
This practice of CHANGING TERMS AFTER A DEPOSIT will ruin Online Gambling faster than any one thing I can think of!!
If casino management doesn't learn how to structure their promotions, and run their businesses, they will lose anyway.
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| Posted by: caruso at July 27, 2002, 7:41 am | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
And I suppose B & M casinos also block the exit, take your winnings out of your pocket and say sorry, you've got to wager some more - not on your game of choice; say...on slots. Plus, those players were enticed to play in the FIRST place by the casino offering a "BJ 3:1" promotion. Bait & switch.
I wonder how long they'd keep their licenses?
Not a ery good comparison.
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| Posted by: bstitt at July 27, 2002, 7:16 am | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
Keep in mind that land based casinos will bar you if they think you are using some special method which results in more or less consistent winning.
Basically, casinos try to get rid of people who are playing with a long-term winning stragety. Land based casinos call "card counters" cheaters when all you are doing is using your brain to improve your odds. Internet casinos call them bonus abusers.
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| Posted by: vickinz at July 26, 2002, 9:21 pm | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
Yes, all those clauses re so many things being at casinos discretion have taken on new meaning since Grief Club.
I didn't hesitate to try a new casino of reasonable reputation, and then would post; but no more...will wait and see from now on!
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| Posted by: Xola at July 26, 2002, 7:26 pm | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
How are we supposed to trust any casino when they are starting to retroactively change terms as soon as someone wins?!?
It's sad, but we really can't trust any of them.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at July 26, 2002, 4:07 pm | | Topic: casinos that retroactively change terms Forum: Winner Online |
what is going on with the rash of casinos that are trying to retroactively change terms??? first these reefclubcasino.com , a place that should be reputable since it is affiliated with CON... and now Wise Guy Casino, owned by WWTS, a class joint for sports betting!
How are we supposed to trust any casino when they are starting to retroactively change terms as soon as someone wins?!?
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