| Posted by: FoxGambling at August 20, 2002, 10:25 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Update: Some info in regards to payouts.
Fox Gambling's official "response time" with payouts is still five business days, but in reality the lenbth of time a payout takes is under 3 days. This is still being improved, but it's already better than most World Gamign outfits. We have stopped taking PayPal (as has 99% of books/casinos) but we do take NETeller, which would be the fastest deposit/withdrawal method.
If you're withdrawal takes longer than 5 days, I would like to know about it. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to email me.
Shaun Cameron
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FoxGambling.com
FoxBetting.com
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| Posted by: FoxGambling at August 1, 2002, 1:22 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
I'm happy to note that the Fox Gambling Video Poker payout tables have been updated and improved.
Jacks or Better
Jacks or Better: 1
2 Pairs: 2
3 of a Kind: 3
Straight: 4
Flush: 5
Full House: 8
4 of a Kind: 20
Straight Flush: 50
Royal Flush: 1000
Jokers Wild
2 Pairs: 1
3 of a Kind: 2
Straight: 3
Flush: 6
Full House: 10
4 of a Kind: 20
Straight Flush: 50
Wild Royal Flush: 80
5 of a Kind: 100
Royal Flush: 1500
Deuces Wild
3 of a Kind: 1
Straight: 1
Flush: 2
Full House: 3
4 of a Kind: 5
Straight Flush: 10
5 of a Kind: 15
Wild Royal Flush: 20
4 Deuces: 250
Royal Flush: 1000
Update August 20th:
Our Craps odds have been improved to 3-4-5X odds.
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| Posted by: Jydeman at July 16, 2002, 10:43 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Hmmmmmm.......funny how all sites related to these guys had their registrant info updated on July 10th
Registrant:
Lesperance, Ryan
11/F SC Bank, 4-4A Des Voeux Rd Central
Hong Kong, Hong 11111
HK
Domain:
CASINOKILLERS.COM
Administrative Contact:
Global Media Communications Inc. (GMCI2-IYD)
contact@blackrhinocasino.com
Global Media Communications Inc.
11F SC Bank 4-4A Des Voeux Rd. Central
Hong Kong, NA 11111 HK
+1.5225263665
(FAX)
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| Posted by: VPJoe at July 16, 2002, 7:14 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
This guy from black rhino casino is the SAME person who months ago was promoting software called CASINO KILLERS. He was trying to sell it on a web site and a gambling forum. It was selling for 100.00.
I think the website is still up
casinokillers.com
IT shows you HOW to beat the online casinos!
THIS GUY HAS SOME NERVE!
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| Posted by: FoxGambling at July 16, 2002, 9:44 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Thank you for the complements. We are simply trying to do our best, any and all comments are welcome at scameron@foxgambling.com.
Jetset: Just a quick note that we have just added several more games to the list:
Double Up Blackjack
Craps
War
Also we have a great new slot machine that should be live shortly called Haunted Slots, which blows our current slots out of the water (graphically speaking).
Well, I'll leave any further Fox Gambling promotions to the Casino Billboard forum, cheers!
Shaun Cameron
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| Posted by: Jetset at July 15, 2002, 10:26 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
This guy sounds like a responsible casino manager who knows what he's doing and how to communicate. That makes a nice change!
BTW the site is impressive if you have not already isited it...it carries the standard iChance/Futurebet Flash gambling suite of 10 table, 3 VP, 4 slots and 1 progressive and is professionally presented with plenty of information.
I was impressed with the TST Global software certification and the fact that they seem to hold player balances in escrow rather than the more usual stunt of robbing Peter to pay Paul. E-Cash is iDollar with PayPal/NetTeller choices as well.
According to the site the owners are an outfit called TB Entertainment licenced in Curacao NV.
Contrast this informative site with seaofgold.com - there is no comparison.
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| Posted by: FoxGambling at July 15, 2002, 4:24 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
One thing I can say is that it does not matter to me where else our members are wagering, or what they're wagering on.
Feel free to crossbet without fear as a Fox Betting member, this is a iable way to cover your behind, or to even out your bets if you've bet too high.
Also note that we do not share our information with anyone else, nor do we aquire information from any other book. So I don't see how we could even know if you were crossbetting (not that it matters with us).
Regards,
Shaun Cameron
Fox Betting
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at July 15, 2002, 4:14 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks for responding so quickly, Shaun.
I do understand that you can't really
say what you would like to about this.
It's just that with the many problems
that have occured with so many of the
on line casino's and sportsbooks, to do
what Black Rhino did, creates a whole
new area of "resentment and suspicion"
in the minds of anyone looking for a
new place to play at.
Playing "both sides" of a game, at
different books, would NEVER have crossed
my mind as something that I would have needed to worry about as a reason not to
be paid.
I appreciate the fact that you are
attempting to show that this is NOT
the way sportsbooks are run.
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| Posted by: FoxGambling at July 15, 2002, 3:45 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Mrracetrack: You have to understand that the subject is a sticky one because you are asking me to assume what happened in a situation where what I know is the same as everyone else. I dont know why Ron decided that this was the best method of dealing with such a situation. I do know that Black Rhino is paying for their decision, heck, it seems we're paying for it too.
There are many possible reasons for this to have happened, but it is not my place to comment on them, as it could be seen as taking an opportunity to slaned the competition. I am just not that kind of guy.
I can say though, that Fox Betting has taken precautions to ensure that we will never have to revert to abuse of the T&C's, and we will strive to ensure our members continue to enjoy wagering in our casino and sportsbook for years to come.
I am also having extra provisions added into the T&C's to better spell out what applies and to better explain that it is there for obvious errors, not for unfavora... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mrracetrack at July 15, 2002, 3:20 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
A question for Shaun Cameron;
You run the same software as Black Rhino,
and you seem to be familiar with what
transpired in this situation.
What, in your opinion, was the logic
behind the decision Black Rhino made,
and how is this type of decision made?
Doesn't the software company provide a
"training course", or offer advice on
specific situations that come up, as in
this case?
The response that Black Rhino gave, is
absolutely ridiculous, and anyone with
any background in sports betting would
agree with that.
Since you are in charge of a casino
and sportsbook operation, I would like
your opinion on how was this able to occur?
Thanks.
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| Posted by: FoxGambling at July 15, 2002, 10:22 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Dog and all: For the record, Fox Betting and Fox Gambling are in no way related to Black Rhino except through our software provider (iChance). We have never shared any information with this casino, nor will we. We cannot simply "take over" your account due to the fact we are a different company entirely.
What Fox Betting can offer you is a chance to sign up with our book and let us prove that we alue our members. You will be eligible for the 20% bonus, and will receive good customer service and my help should something not be up to your standards.
Regards,
Shaun Cameron
Fox Betting
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| Posted by: dog at July 14, 2002, 6:40 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
I'm the one who originally posted the complaint about Blackrhino at Rx and other forums. I would take with a grain of salt anything claimed by this "sportsbook". My account was only active for a few days with the new software before I won almost $5000 in one day betting dogs and a dog parlay. Maybe someone else played with them for a month, but $500,000?
I have yet to get back my original deposit, Steven Gauci ("Director of Online Gaming Security" at BR) indicated it could take 10 working days from the 9th to get it back. My case is 2002-06-0033, which means they must have 33 cases for deposits made in the month of June.
Foxbetting has the same software and lines, but its operator Shaun Cameron claimed at Rx they are not a sister book and wouldn't scam anyone. If so, why not take over my account (four figure balance)? I'd even agree to a rollover requirement.
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| Posted by: Jydeman at July 14, 2002, 2:18 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
The people at Black Rhino were serious when they said: ...And not once have we said that we don't allow cross wagering, scalping or middling...
The good people at The Presciption noticed that it is now possible to scalp Black Rhino without the need of another sportsbook.
http://theprescription.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=988308 1116
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| Posted by: Jydeman at July 12, 2002, 2:53 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
I reread what BlackRhino wrote to the player (at theprescription) - no doubt it was the alleged crossbetting that was the problem:
...The pattern of your sports wagers was indicative of a known system to change the odds of sports bets. In both the online and land based casino industries it is referred to as odds extension, or evening the field. The process as you are aware is undertaken by a player who places bets on both sides of a wager. The first on the favored team at one sportsbook and the second at another sportsbook on the long shot. The end result every time is a win with greater odds results than the long shot would have paid or a break even outcome if the favored bet materializes. This is only one of many of the systems used by professional gamblers to get the edge over the sportsbook..
Everyone claim that sportsbooks never would share personal details.
I was wondering if Starnet/Worldgaming is the other source of information who shared personal details with Black Rh... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jetset at July 12, 2002, 1:06 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Offi:
JetSet:
I would consider to contact the new CEO of World Gaming regarding your problems with these 3.2 sites and the use/abuse etc. story from weeks ago. He´s a completely different person IMO, so maybe there is a chance for you guys getting paid.
Offi
Thank you for the tip, Offi. On behalf of the OPA I was personally in detailed contact with Aymong on the question of these cheating 3.2 ersion software casinos and the many players who were prejudiced thereby.
It led to nothing but waffle, but there is still obviously a desire to get the right thing done here.
I presume that WG office management does not include a system where outstanding issues such as this are handed over to successors?
If that is the case, then please email me an email address for Jim Mackay and I will arrange for the OPA to start over again in this matter.
I think this is a terrific opportunity for Mackay to start in the manne... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jydeman at July 12, 2002, 12:54 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Black Rhino posted a lot at Theprescription - perhaps a little to much?
This was posted both at WOL and Theprescription. Why was the players banned?:
...Also, it’s been practice in the industry, since it’s inception, that if a casino can prove a player has an account with another casino and is cross betting in a similar fashion, they are banned and their account is closed....
Jay C from Theprescription pointed out an interesting contradiction. BR wrote in their first posts that they lock peoples accounts (industry practise) if they find out they're crossbetting etc. Judging from later replies at Theprescription BR might have realized that crossbetting is quite common - and that they might have misunderstood this "industry practice":
...And not once have we said that we don't allow cross wagering, scalping or middling. What we have said, is that if you are deemed to be a pro, you've iolated the terms and conditions and quite simply, your wagers are deemed to be placed ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jydeman at July 11, 2002, 1:26 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Ouch! Looks like Henry/Henrik and David have donated $14,883.40 to the wild animals.
Congratulations Everyone!
Sarah G. - $5,500 Bonus Round Slots
Duane L. - $5,025 Mixed Casino Play
Adam C. - $2,108 Baseball Parlay
Come on! A Casino/Sportsbook promoting themselves with players just been robbed? Since they've changed Henrik to Henry yesterday it can hardly have been an oversight.
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| Posted by: magnek at July 11, 2002, 7:19 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
I will repeat some previous sound advice.
If anyone knows anyone with a balance at Black Rhino then advise them to empty out their funds. I have cashed out a considerable sum. I will not do business with any book who doesn't protect their players' confidentiality.
Black Rhino, clean up your lines and your act and you may avoid future problems...that is if you have a future.
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at July 11, 2002, 6:27 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
I agree with JoB.
It's like this Black Rhino: you accept the bet, you pay the bet. It really is that simple. You are only digging yourself a deeper hole with you crybaby excuses. Personally, I hope you go out of business within a month; it's obvious you don't have a clue as to what you are doing and your operation is a big stain on the sportsbook industry.
IMO, your operation is one big joke
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| Posted by: Jydeman at July 11, 2002, 6:14 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
I must say there are some lucky bastards playing at BR.
Yesterday Henrik B. was this months biggest winner with a $10,000 Sports Wager. Today Henry B. is this months biggest winner with a $10,000 Sports Wager.
What happened to Henrik B.? Did he turn into this months biggest loser? And then Henry B. stepped in with a couple of lucky bets?
I find it hard to imagine they just changed the name after stealing Henrik B.'s money?
No - they wouldn't do that! No way. After all they're a charitable casino/sportsbook protecting endangered species.
http://www.blackrhinocasino.com/casino/index.html
Congratulations Everyone!
Henry B. - $10,000 Sports Wager
Karen G. - $6,125.25 Black Rhino Slots
David D. - $4,883.40 Baseball Wagers
Anna C. - $3,175 Mixed Casino Play
Brad B. - $2,335 Blackjack
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| Posted by: nd66 at July 11, 2002, 2:31 am | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
BlackRhino
I am a professional gambler and I lost $20 at your casino. So maybe you should refund it.
Maybe your charities should give you your money back after they find out the dishonest business you have to raise funds for them.
if you really want to help the Black Rhinos then adopt one here forget this shamless casino/sportsbook. www.blackrhino.org/member.htm
And I want my $20 back. LOL
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| Posted by: JacksOrBetter at July 10, 2002, 10:02 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Black Rhino,
I found this (below) at another board. You're making yourself into a laughing stock. Go play those three players and be done with this mess. Fix your rules, your lines, your limits. Take the lumps, move on.
jacks
=====================originally posted by "Butch Brady"======================
Message from Red Hippo Casino and Sports Book
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It's been brought to our attention that some people on different gambling sites are complaining that we at Red Hippo Sports are not paying players.
We have suspended 40 players who have iolated our terms and conditions, rules put in place to ensure that we win all the money.
3 of the 40 players were suspended for exibiting what we feel are professional tendencies. At Red Hippo, we want only suckers betting with us, and we do not welcome anybody with any semblance of a clue. We phoned other sports books for in... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JacksOrBetter at July 10, 2002, 9:20 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
So let me get this straight:
(1) It only took a HALF MILLION DOLLARS worth of wagers to tip the sharp folks at Black Rhino off to the problem that a professional or semi-professional player might be at their casino. Duh! And after ACCEPTING a HALF MILLION DOLLARS of wagers, Black Rhino doesn't want to pay. They have accused Player X, Y, and Z of being a professional player, stolen thousands of dollars from them, and expect to stay in business.
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My Response:
(1) Are you frigging crazy or what? If you didn't have your security measures in place, why did you open your casino? Half the members of WinnerOnLine are the owners (read OWNERS!!!) of the other large gambling and sportsbetting boards and have already cross posted this information. I came here because I saw the link crossposted on three boards. I even received a piece of spam from some gambling spammer warning me of the problems at Black Rhino--that hasn't happened since a couple ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zrapture at July 10, 2002, 5:55 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Mr Black Rhino, the problem here is that you are deciding unilaterally who is a "pro" based on what you believe. Therefore you can claim anyone who wins a "pro" if you so choose and not pay them. Unless you have a copy of thier W2 fowm sitting there with professional sportsbettor listed then you should be paying them.
BTW, as long as you have those terms in your T&C's you won't be able to compete with the competition. With other books that don't have terms such as that. You have a good marketing/bonus program and a decent setup. Your site actually looks better and has better incentives then other books. Unfortunetly, one HUGE flaw like you currently have will make all the positives go to waste. That would be a shame.
If you are really that worried about "pros" taken advantage of you hire someone who knows what they are doing to setup the lines, limits, etc. If you post solid lines with confidence you wouldn't have to be too concerned with smart gambl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Black Rhino at July 10, 2002, 5:19 pm | | Topic: Black Rhino Casino/Sportsbook .... Another "Rip Off"?? Forum: Winner Online |
So I don't have to keep typing, here's what I posted at therx:
Black Rhino
Mildly Insane
Registered: 07-10-02
Posts: 8
Some clarification from Black Rhino
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So, according to the majority of responses here, we are allowed to place rules and regulations on our site but not allowed to enforce them.
When we say no professionals, that's what we mean.
Can someone please tell me with a straight face that anyone wagering $500,000 in a 30 day period is not a pro?
And not once have we said that we don't allow cross wagering, scalping or middling. What we have said, is that if you are deemed to be a pro, you've iolated the terms and conditions and quite simply, your wagers are deemed to be placed against the rules you agreed to.
It's not that hard to understand.
Black Rhino Casino
posted 07-10-02 09:02 PM
Black Rhino
Mildly Insane
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