| Posted by: slycin56 at August 27, 2002, 8:29 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Wow - you are really going at me, here, aren't you Mary? Cool!
You know how I can tell you've never been in sales? 1st rule of sales - "EVERY OBJECTION IS AN OPPORTUNITY". Keep throwing the garbage, and I WILL keep responding. Just please remember who's initiating, ok?
That thread was from over a year ago. At the time, Windows had made an effort, in response to a request from the GPWA.
But, no, I won't tell you why I pulled them from my site back in the early spring, along with the Extreme group. I know many things about them, that I'm sure you're not even aware of Mary, but I'm not in the business of spreading garbage that I don't feel like I want to take the time to prove. Suffice it to say that I warn other webmasters at every chance, and tell players, when asked, not to play at these casinos.
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at July 17, 2002, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Thats great, you got paid from two RTG sites what you were owed from. I got paid from RTG what I was owed by Sci Fi. But should we all have to go through this everytime we are owed money by a RTG casino? This is the way RTG does business, and it is sad.
Good luck though getting your money from these thieves, they are the absolute worst of the worst of RTG. There are many, many players, affiliates, etc, they have stolen from.
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| Posted by: nd66 at July 17, 2002, 5:08 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
DonGambler,
RTG did help greatly with my getting paid by Gaming Enterprises and Magic Oasis. I did keep pestering them even though I shouldn't have to in order to get my money.
I will keep pestering to get my money from Ruby Dragon till it is finalized.
Other people who need to get paid from RTG's just keep bothering RTG support to pay up after all the RTGPR did come here right!
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at July 17, 2002, 5:01 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
This guy can't solve any disputes at this place or any other RTG sites. They have no control over their licensees whatsoever. This group of casinos here has been stealing from players continously since they opened, all with RTG blessing. RTG is only interested in pocketing their cut by way of licensee fees, otherwise they would have pulled the plug on these thieves months ago.
Microgaming and some of the other Major software providers would never allow a group of casinos to operate like this. They would pull the plug on them, but not RTG.
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| Posted by: Jetset at July 2, 2002, 12:58 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
nd66, I repeat :
nd66, I have been giving some thought to your Ruby Dragon complaint and the OPA policy of generally not accepting complaints from folks who play at OPA NOT RECOMMENDED casinos. Flexibility is rarely a bad thing, especially when it is used in the interests of an aggrieved player and concerns a group that has been the subject of other complaints in the past.
May I suggest that you try approaching the OPA Complaints Section with a special request that they handle your complaint - it could be that your request will be sympathetically considered and that would give you another avenue through which to seek satisfaction.
support@onlineplayersassociation.co.uk
Damian you can email me - in my profile as some of my would-be intimidators have discovered recently!
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| Posted by: nd66 at July 1, 2002, 2:10 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset.
I have not submitted an OPA complaint as they are on the OPA negative list already and do not want to waste their time. I doubt the OPA can even push these crooks to payup.
Instead I am e-mailing, calling all the time and requesting from within my paypal account for the payment. They may give in soon and get sick of my pressuring.
So far they have cancelled 4 of my money requests within paypal but I will keep on requesting everytime they cancel.
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| Posted by: Jydeman at June 29, 2002, 3:19 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
If OPA has contacts at RTG I hope they'll use them. **** like this happens every day and is totally unacceptable.
It will probably suit the casinos just fine if they're being ignored because of their not recommended status.
We can't have that rogue casinos apply for "Not recommended"
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at June 27, 2002, 10:46 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
In spite of Babes post, which
does make a good point per the
OPA's policy on "NR" casino's,
perhaps an attempt to "look into"
this specific problem, to see if any "changes" in the attitude
of this RTG casino has taken place.
Perhaps opening a new line of
communication could occur.
If the result was still a lack
of any concern by this casino,
or a refusal to even discuss the
issue, that could be made public
on the OPA site, therefore warning
players even more about these types
of "Not Recommended" casino's.
It doesn't seem like a lot to ask
from the OPA, IMO.
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| Posted by: babe at June 27, 2002, 10:04 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
The reason the OPA puts a casino on the NR list is due to being unable to settle complaints with the casino. The NR list it to warn players of unfair practices and that the OPA is unable to help with problems, mainly due to the casino being uncooperative. For the OPA to help with a problem with a casino where ample warning has been given will be futile and a waste of time.
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| Posted by: joeyl at June 27, 2002, 1:35 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
nd66...
Joeyl is truely sorry for hijacking your thread..Not sorry for having a bit of a pop at what i percieve as part of the system of advertising which in my eyes,helps people like you and i get messed about so..I should have started my own thread..
I hope Jet and the OPA can help move the proverbial mountain for you sir/madame.Honestly i do.
Ultimately,i see it like this..You are me,i am you,we are we.I hope you were not overly offended by my actions.
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| Posted by: Jetset at June 27, 2002, 12:28 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
nd66, I have been giving some thought to your Ruby Dragon complaint and the OPA policy of generally not accepting complaints from folks who play at OPA NOT RECOMMENDED casinos. Flexibility is rarely a bad thing, especially when it is used in the interests of an aggrieved player and concerns a group that has been the subject of other complaints in the past.
May I suggest that you try approaching the OPA Complaints Section with a special request that they handle your complaint - it could be that your request will be sympathetically considered and that would give you another avenue through which to seek satisfaction.
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| Posted by: joeyl at June 24, 2002, 12:17 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Correct Prosperity,he did..
Due to Goodfellas with-holding his girlfriends money.He found it necissary to return..Joeyl does not gamble in Online Casino's anymore..
I had a question or 2 to ask regarding the integrity of this industry..
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| Posted by: joeyl at June 24, 2002, 1:26 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Ooh Jet.Blair would be proud of you. I am impressed.Hitmob would have answered slightly differently,noo doubt..
Nd66.My take?Hunt down the Wizard of Odds if you get no joy would be my advice.Through his advertisers Webstorm or whomever they are,he advertises for this group.Heat/extreme etc..He can run up and down posting stuff about CasinoBar all day.You can get right on Mr Shacklefords nerves by doing the same regarding his choice of place to farm his public onto..Touche i say.Bottom line:get the Wiz on your side,i say you'll get your money...I apologise to you Nd66,if you agree with Our Jetset about me hijacking your thread etc...
Jetset.I shall wait for you to start the thread you are now talking of.I said "maybe" i should.You'll not capture Joeyl into anything.You put the question through you say.My work is done then,no?You seem to be with me,not agin.It is your question now anyway.You saw fit to put it through.
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| Posted by: Jetset at June 24, 2002, 12:37 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Joeyl, when you do start this new thread perhaps you will allow me to post this advisory in response to your comment "How come one or more of your "Friends and supporters of the OPA" can have links or whatever to a Casino YOU blacklist and advise your members to stay away from? Don't you screen these Portals?" :
This comment has been passed on to the appropriate olunteers handling this side of the OPA activities who I hope will provide an informed response to the new thread.
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| Posted by: Jetset at June 24, 2002, 12:27 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
nd66, may I recommend that you keep this message board advised of progress with your complaints regarding the Rubydragon etc group once you have lodged same?
Joeyl, no one is saying your crusade here is totally without merit - it is just that is is distracting attention from an apparently genuine complaint which the initiator of this thread has with the management at Rubydragon casino. IMO that is unfair and discourteous to him or her in trying to get a hearing for his/her troubles.
If you want to start a war on portals and what you perceive as failures in the OPA why not simply start a new thread in the appropriate place?
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| Posted by: joeyl at June 23, 2002, 12:43 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks nd66 (I hope this topic is not going to get sidetracked again by a discussion on portals, Ted!)
The difference being Jet?
The title of the thread?
Why do you hope for such i ask myself..Hope?
In a roundabout way,1 lone player,by posting off-topic,has managed to get 1 portal,to remove 1 link to 1 OPA blacklisted rogue Casino.
All you can add on the subject as the one of the head Honcho's of the New OPA is in effect"post in the right place people"? I for one,am not impressed sir amongst other things.
How come one or more of your "Friends and supporters of the OPA" can have links or whatever to a Casino YOU blacklist and advise your members to stay away from?
Don't you screen these Portals?
I aint gonna go digging but i swear i recall you saying you think Software Providers should Screen licensees before they license them..
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| Posted by: Jetset at June 23, 2002, 12:28 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks nd66 (I hope this topic is not going to get sidetracked again by a discussion on portals, Ted!)
I was trying to establish whether Extreme etc management had alid grounds for locking you out as far as you know, and from what you say they apparently did not. Putting you on a negative database for no apparent reason and without the right of appeal prior to locking you out without getting what is due to you is clearly bad casino practise.
You have attempted to resolve the issue directly with casino management, so I would now suggest that you lodge a complaint at GG, and that you contact the RTG complaints guy Tom (?)Brailey. As I said earlier, this group is already a resident on the OPA NOT RECOMMENDED list for previous similar behaviour, so that line of complaint is unfortunately closed to you.
If you can persuade RTG to tell you what it is (they claim that all their productions are "legally licenced and fully insured"), you might also complain to the licencing j... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tedm at June 22, 2002, 8:41 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Let's get one thing absolutely clear here:
Portal owners want you to lose money. Maybe not you personally but certainly YOU in the aggregate. Almost all schemes I have seen pay portal owners a percentage of losses (or player drop as sometimes referred to). If you do not lose, they - and the casinos - make no money.
So to think that they have YOUR (as a player) interests as their number one priority is not true. THEIR number one priority is getting paid - not that there is anything wrong with that, them being business owners and all.
Not to pick a fight or anything. I know some of you do sometimes stick up for players but I think it is an absoulute mistake to think that the GPWA as a whole is on the 'player's' side.
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| Posted by: slycin56 at June 22, 2002, 11:36 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
I personally HAD accounts at all 3 of these casinos, and used their $100 for $100 promos at all 3 on the same day, several months ago, so that's not an issue.
I've also been paid ery promptly by Casino Extreme in the past when winning.
I would suspect there's more to the this story than we're being told.
(I no longer play at these casinos, because I won't promote them due to their treatment of webmasters)
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| Posted by: nd66 at June 22, 2002, 6:46 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset,
On their websites they have pop-ups or links/banners to their sister sites.
Also sometimes when they e-mail promos and invitations to play them they list all 4 casinos and give coupon codes and mention you can play at all of them.
The last e-mail listed all 4 casinos with 35% bonus + $15% paypal with wagering req's of 10x Deposit+Bonus.
So if they encourage to join all (I have joined 3) and they send one e-mail listing all 4 casinos to play at, why do they lock accounts.
ND
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| Posted by: Jetset at June 22, 2002, 6:36 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
OK. At the time you joined or wagered at these casinos did you see, or are you aware of anything in the T&Cs that says they are all in the same ownership group, and that you are prohibited from opening more than one account within that group?
I ask this for clarity, as it would seem to me that if you are still being spammed by all four casinos on your legitimate email that the group must know that you have joined more than one casino in the group.
[This message has been edited by Jetset (edited 06-22-2002).]
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| Posted by: nd66 at June 22, 2002, 3:06 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Originally posted by Mathcid:
nd66,
Do you know if there was something specific you did in order to have your account blocked. I mean, it sounds pretty strange the fact that they closed your account for no reason.
Mathcid
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Getting back on topic - nd66 you did not seem to respond to the above question posed by Mathcid?
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I called them to ask them why and they said they added my name to their negative list because I had an account at Extreme and Heat also. But I have not won any money at Heat nor have I won anything much at Extreme. My biggest win at this group was Ruby Dragon which is now locked.
When I last checked my accounts at Extreme and heat were not locked so we can see how they work. If you win you are locked out. I gambled and won $225 and what do they do they steal my $100 deposit, so I am out $325.
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| Posted by: joeyl at June 22, 2002, 1:46 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Yep yep yep.Sorry Croupier.It's gone it's gone.
No reason,just an excuse..Joeyl misread due to being a rushian.I was speed-reading due to the timer thing.Not a good excuse but excuses rarely are anyhow.
The OPA thing was more pointed at the GPWA as a whole,not you personally...Kind of my point in whole,in general,regarding all of this stuff.My last word,aso to speak.A request or wish,if you like.No intention to drag you in in the singular,into any arguement sir..
Go Korea!My Taekwon roots give me an affinity with them.
Grandmaster Choi and Master Rhee will be happy bunnies today no doubt..The North South divide will hopefully stay broken a little while longer,due to football..
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| Posted by: croupier at June 22, 2002, 12:22 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
Also,Sci Fi are listed alone at Casinohelp as 100% payouts etc
Does nobody read what I write? Read my post again then take a look at the site.
Quote:
please stop advertising for rogues and work with the OPA more
I'm not getting dragged into this argument.
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| Posted by: joeyl at June 22, 2002, 12:03 am | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Slycin,i have personally enjoyed chatting to you.I am not crying at all.Don't you either.In essence you get too defensive,too quick.You sound like a nice person but if a mere unit can get you to possibly call your business partner a hypocrite,then i say thats not good for your future business.I'd hazard a guess at saying you'll not miss me when i'm gone although the name Joeyl will stay with you for a good while. It has been fun.
....Croupier....I know what you are saying.I am harder line and if the Portals want to advertise poop,you won't need them in the long run..Also,Sci Fi are listed alone at Casinohelp as 100% payouts etc.Don't do it i say.You know the score,that much i do know.
Dean.Do i seem the type to take anything for Gospel?As you well know,i begged the question as to why i can't believe what the OPA say as gospel,i never said i believe all atall.Big difference.Thats why i question things.Thats why i check thier supporters for traces of hypocracy.There are is another OPA fr... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jetset at June 21, 2002, 11:27 pm | | Topic: Ruby Dragon Casino (Real Time Gaming) are CROOKS! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mathcid:
nd66,
Do you know if there was something specific you did in order to have your account blocked. I mean, it sounds pretty strange the fact that they closed your account for no reason.
Mathcid
Getting back on topic - nd66 you did not seem to respond to the above question posed by Mathcid?
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