| Posted by: joeyl at May 30, 2002, 12:14 pm | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Hey,hey.I am half happy..I have received an email confirmation from proccyber,not Goodfellas.It says my cheque has been sent...
I am now holding my breath.
I hope if and when it comes,it does'nt rebound again..
Just being "informational".Not pro proccyber or Goodfellas.
Any popping at me for stating this means the popper is being unfair to me for no good reason.
Behave.
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| Posted by: sacajaweha at May 29, 2002, 4:21 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
check out this email I just got from goodfellows -- we'll see
Dear Good Fellows Customer,
Greg Larson is no longer in the employ of Good Fellows Casino. We are actively seeking someone to replace him as soon as humanly possible. However, please note that your queries to this address may go unanswered until such time.
Please direct any queries you have in the interim to our support desk, who are available 24 hours a day at support@goodfellowscasino.com.
Please note that player payments will commence on May 31, as per the email sent out by casino management.
Thank you in advance for your continued and appreciated patience.
Regards,
Good Fellows Casino
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at May 17, 2002, 6:56 pm | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by mustang:
I think the origin of the crime is in the jurisdiction that it originates from. At least that is what the US has to say. They think that if you are gambling from YOUR computer in the US then the gambling takes place in the US...I would think same would be true in this case.
FROM AS:
"It's funny if the online casinos wish to take advantage of prosecuting people under US law for DOS attacks. They would have to present themselves, at least as a legal entity, to the US courts, while dodging the numerous lawsuits US attorneys have been trying to serve against them for several years. How do you think they would do that?"
Most online casinos are legal entities in the country that they are licensed. I don't think that all online casinos have been served numerous lawsuits.
See ya.
If the DOS originates in the USA, the casino would have to present itself in a US court to pursue a prosecution, would it not?
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| Posted by: mustang at May 17, 2002, 9:30 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
I think the origin of the crime is in the jurisdiction that it originates from. At least that is what the US has to say. They think that if you are gambling from YOUR computer in the US then the gambling takes place in the US...I would think same would be true in this case.
"It's funny if the online casinos wish to take advantage of prosecuting people under US law for DOS attacks. They would have to present themselves, at least as a legal entity, to the US courts, while dodging the numerous lawsuits US attorneys have been trying to serve against them for several years. How do you think they would do that?"
Most online casinos are legal entities in the country that they are licensed. I don't think that all online casinos have been served numerous lawsuits.
See ya.
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at May 17, 2002, 8:59 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
DOS attacks are a ery underhanded way to get a website offline. I much prefer the upfront approach to these issues.
As for the illegality, they are illegal in the US. But online casinos do not operate in the USA. They are all offshore...somewhere.
It's funny if the online casinos wish to take advantage of prosecuting people under US law for DOS attacks. They would have to present themselves, at least as a legal entity, to the US courts, while dodging the numerous lawsuits US attorneys have been trying to serve against them for several years. How do you think they would do that?
AS
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| Posted by: mustang at May 17, 2002, 7:54 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Be careful.
I think that in some cases it could be considered a criminal action...just a friendly warning.
I have heard about people getting in trouble for launching DOS campaigns againts websites in the States.
I think it is definitely within your rights to contact them "regularly" though.
See ya.
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| Posted by: Bet2Gamble.com at May 17, 2002, 5:56 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Joeyl,
I believe DOS means denial of service attack. I think a denial of service attack is where a site gets bombarded all at once in a concerted effort to bring the site to a standstill. DOS attacks have hit a number of major websites in the last few years causing them to temporarily shut down.
C.M.
www.bet2gamble.com
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| Posted by: caruso at May 17, 2002, 4:30 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Learn to take the rough with the smooth - it's a fair trade off, online, IMO.
Having been refunded my $15 (Ģ10) bounced cheque fee and cashed out some time ago, I gave them a ring this morning for the latest. Got the 31st May story - all cashouts will be sent before or by that date. Watch this space.
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 17, 2002, 4:17 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
A.S.No problem.You never just picked on me,CPA got some too.
By the way,if you only popped at me and no-one else,i would be now on my high horse,quoting Joeyl quotes such as.. "familiarity breeds contempt" .
That aside,i could'nt agree with your comments overall any more than i already do,not even if you paid me.
One bone to pick though.What player see's as normal the slow pay and daylight robbery going on in this industry before they come online?
To a man/woman,we are all getting the shoe up the backside from the first casino we come to.I asked Mary and she say's auto payouts are a long way away,if not impossible.
It's like it or lump it from the get-go.
To quote DDunlap...Rigged from the jump!
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| Posted by: damiandunlap at May 16, 2002, 10:03 pm | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Apage i agree with totally, how lond should someone wait, I think if it goes more than 30 days, then the software company should explain, why they let a casino come online , without enough reverse to pay people, from looking at the differnt post, they have lied, rigth out. i dont care if they get there self togehter ban them
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at May 16, 2002, 9:24 pm | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
joey,
Excuse me please. I do get carried away sometimes, but I did use you for a "scapegoat". It is often frustrating to make any progress.
Players money is taken in 1.5 seconds, yet casinos see no problem in making players wait weeks and months, while begging and pleading to get paid.
And players seem to accept this as "normal". I just don't buy that. Online relationships are anonymous, and people will say almost anything to get what they want, especially your money, knowing no one will show up at their door demanding to be paid.
For casinos like Goodfellows to tell players to be "patient" is insulting and demeaning, treating players like children whose money should be seen, but their oices should not be heard.
I feel that casinos should be forced to change this attitude of "indifference" toward their customers. Players should not quietly accept this treatment.
Just my opinion.
AS
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 16, 2002, 11:39 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Poor as it is A.S,it's the truth.
You know all too well,better than i,Micro's record,Tropika and the like.
Still you advertise for them,microgaming that is?P4 too ,WOL ,CPA, OPA, Oysters,G2B ,B2g ,need i go on?
Then you come and say Moshall,Moshall,Moshall.The man you all advertise for amongst others(Staw).You can't see my angle?
You and Moshall and the others i mentioned,including WOL,make a profit from me and my kind where you can.You do so with the banners provided by Micro.35% and all that.
I personally do not hold you or Micro or PWC or the above mentioned responsible.Goodfellas,yes.
I have purposely not castigated you,just begged the question why contact Moshall
alone,when many others are on the periphary.Goodfellas are directly involved,the rest are all secondary,Moshall too.I'm sure he does'nt need all this crap.
I have'nt whined to you ,Moshall ,P4 ,Oyster ,Jet ,not anyone.I have contacted the people directly concerned,straight ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dave R at May 16, 2002, 9:34 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
I would just like to say that if players don't get paid by the beginning of June, they need to immediately get in touch with PWC (PriceWaterhouseCoopers) and make a complaint with them.
PWC HAS ITS LOGO ON GOODFELLOWS HOME PAGE.
PWC HAS STATED NUMEROUS TIMES IN THE PAST THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE A DISHONEST CASINO.
Contact:
hantie.bouwer@za.pwcglobal.com
elmar.conradie@za.pwcglobal.com
Tell them you are sick and tired of Microgaming's lack of action on behalf of players.
PWC needs to terminate its contract with Microgaming immediately.
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| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at May 16, 2002, 9:06 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Poor joey,
None of the boards, etc. are offering wagers, free or otherwise where you placed your money. Moshal does. Lots of them.
I've never seen you post asking for help in getting your money from Goodfellows. You certainly have many ways to get in touch with me. You've never addressed me, either directly or indirectly, asking for any help of any kind.
You suffer in semi-silence. But yet you want to castigate me for not helping you get your money back? Have you asked ANYONE for help? Not that I can see. While you're at it, why leave out all of the good folks here at this board, which you also frequent. I'm sure there are disclaimers here, too.
Whining is not a successful strategy here. The idea here is to get your money back, point all your efforts in that direction. If you can post here, you can send an email, and it may have more effect. At least then, a person with your money may read it.
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| Posted by: joeyl at May 16, 2002, 7:16 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
CPA,Nick.Don't sweat it you said..Thanks,you are right and i never did.I was simply asking A.S why be horrid to me personally.My simple question was loaded so she could say she is trying to galvanise me into action.I think that is her angle whether she say's it with flowers or a kick to my nuts.
A.S.In essence i am being cowardly you say.In reality i have no backup is my personal point.
I should put it on Moshell personally in your opinion.
Well,while we are talking about what i could do,who i should put it on etc,then i consider this relevant.I saw the Goodfellas ad at Oysters,P4K's and CPA's house.I am a member at all.As you are talking strength in numbers,then maybe i should put it on these places to help me before i go sailing out to sea on my own..
These names ring any bells A.S?
Oysterjell, Gamblernms, illuvslots, joystick200, Sweetblu, Irinsane, hammerdown69, CallmeDaffy, CPA Nick, P4K, Maecircle, Unicorn, Dolphs Lady, Jobill35, dicerhot, puffygirl, m... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jpsartre at May 16, 2002, 6:29 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
'However, Even if they don't get it all done as quick as they project, but are staying up front and in the open, I think that is still the best solution for getting the player paid.'
I'm sorry to say this but these guys have been everything except upfront. They've lied to me repeatedly on the phone as to why my cheque hadn't been send out. First they hadn't recieved my payment details, then they had fallen behind on processing withdrawels, then the audit was still going on but was finished just the day I called, the next time I called it was ongoing again, then it was finished again and I would be paid the next day, then I would be paid the next week and finally I recieved an email saying I would be paid May 31! They never even told me that they cancelled payment on my first cheque. I had to call Proc Cyber myself to find out about that. Upfront? That's a laugh....
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| Posted by: Jetset at May 16, 2002, 6:07 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
This really is not the time to be fighting among ourselves folks. The issue is whether Goodfellows is screwing the players around and what evidence can be assembled to support a cohesive action.
This message board has largely (note I said "largely") moved on from the old flaming and intimidatory style of exchanges and the same has happened in the negotiating field. I think that is a positive move and the results tend to support that, but when feelings are running high it is perhaps understandable that folks often like to see a lot of threats, pejorative statements and yelling going on upfront. Some of that stuff can be entertaining too - provided you're not at the center of it!
But that sort of stuff doesn't really match a reasoned debate on unassailable facts backed by the ability and will to exert pressure.
Ted says that "speak softly but carry a big stick" works and I agree with him (and btw the OPA was ery active on all the historical incidents nomina... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tedm at May 16, 2002, 1:30 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Someone pulls a repeated DOS on these guys, effectively putting them out of business. Then if and when they resurface they are DOSed again. Their marketing budget will bleed them dry.
The next yutz to pull this kind of scam is also DOSed. Sure it's crude but it's easy for anyone to do and it works. They too will go under.
Pretty soon these crooked operators will get the message.
I don't condone this kind of action at all. I also don't condone blatant fraud and theft.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at May 16, 2002, 1:24 am | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
Actually, I pretty much agree Ted. If at any point they stop communicating and quit trying to work out the problems, then it's open season.
However, Even if they don't get it all done as quick as they project, but are staying up front and in the open, I think that is still the best solution for getting the player paid. If they run and hide, then we put Damian on em! LOL
I too got a kick out Steves antics. I can kind of miss the guy.
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| Posted by: tedm at May 15, 2002, 11:14 pm | | Topic: Is Good Fellows Casino (MG) Gearing Up to Stiff Players? Forum: Winner Online |
I don't have any money at stake here but quite frankly their attitude really, um, bugs me.
I predict that they will not meet this May 31st promise and that you will get another excuse in a couple of weeks.
BTW, I, for one, liked Steve's rants. I think they were more appropriate AT TIMES than calm discussion.
It would be ery interesting if the OPA was able to 'shut down' rogue casinos through the 'overloading' of their web sites - preventing any further downloads. Of course the OPA wouldn't CONDONE such actions but <wink wink nudge nudge> it would not be SURPRISED to see said casino get its comeuppance. It goes without saying that I do not condone such actions. Speak softly and carry a big stick blah blah blah.
That would be a huge stick, Jetset.
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