| Posted by: AmateurSleuth at September 13, 2002, 10:58 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Dodgey says he was playing at work. I suspect that they log ip addresses, which can be traced.
Probably your computer is on a 'net, and registered as such.
Anyway, the fact he works for another casino is completely irrelevant, in my mind. I have talked to quite a few online casino employees who play online.
Since they cannot play at their own casinos, they have to play at others. Almost all online casinos do not allow their employees to play at their own casinos.
If he had made a deposit and won, would they have paid him his winnings? Or denied them for this same reason?
If their T&C do not ban employees of other casinos, it is not their business where he works, where I work, where anyone works, or doesn't work.
The issue here is Net Club's level of service, or lack thereof.
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at September 13, 2002, 11:38 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
"I also find it ery classless to come on this board to specifically complain about another casino."
He has every right to come to this board to post his complaint. I thought this was an interesting subject that I haven't seen discussed before. If he was truely trying to harm a casino's business he would have never posted the fact that he works for another casino. I think that since he did state that up front that gave him and his complaint a lot more credibility.
"Your casino will never be on my site."
I doubt that him or anyone at his casino will be losing much sleep over this.
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| Posted by: slycin56 at September 13, 2002, 10:35 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Dodgey Arab, I don't care what race you are, I don't have a racist bone in my body. In fact, my nieces and nephews are half Arab, living in Kuwait.
But use of that name is completely tasteless and classless given the current bin Laden situation, and I <u>cannot</u> believe that you weren't acutely aware of that when you chose that name; particularly if you're half Arab, and subject to the world's emotions as they exist now. I also am aware of the emotions towards Arabs right now, as my nieces and nephews were here in the US this summer, and I know what they and their father went thru.
I also find it ery classless to come on this board to specifically complain about another casino.
Your casino will never be on my site.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at September 13, 2002, 9:25 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
"Perhaps I'm reading too much into this. Perhaps you're not reading enough."
I'm reading way too much..
of your posts."
Yet another useless response to a SINCERE statement by Cindy, directed and designed to antagonize her and escalate a personal confrontation.
Don't give her the satisfaction Cindy!
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| Posted by: eek at September 13, 2002, 1:45 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Your email is unlikely to help them.
But the load of personal info. we all need to sign up with will.
Also, your surname will be unusual if its arabic, and be easy to filter.
If you've been in the industry for a while and moved around, then others will remember/know-of you. Other places are college,university,exhibitions,meetings,press reports etc where colleagues knew/know-of you, even by name only.
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| Posted by: dodgey arab at September 13, 2002, 1:28 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
hi everyone...wow, i didn't expect this to take off like it did! here's a few answers to all the questions going round...
SlyCin, and anyone who agrees, my nationality (and username) is completely irrelevant and bears no link with 9/11 - in fact, it is ery naive and narrow-minded to say so - because i am of arab origin, does that make me a terrorist? Does that mean i have to hide on 9/11 and after? Do you think i support what happened on that day? Please wake up and live in the real world...i am half british (mother) half lebanese (father), my surname is ery lebanese and yes, i am a Roman Catholic arab and i live in london. without wanting to turn this into a political debate - are all arabs terrorists?
Anyhow, here's further insight into the elements that matter here.
Yes, i did register 2 days ago and yes my intention was solely to criticise NetClub, but only as a player myself who was ripped off by a casino...i can live without the money i won, and no one will see any menti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tedm at September 12, 2002, 11:15 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jetset:
What intrigues me is how did the casino identify Dodgy as a competitor employee? Maybe he'll come back here and let us know.
Maybe he used his work e-mail address?
On second thought, if he does work at an online casino, turn that maybe into a probably :P
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at September 12, 2002, 11:08 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by slycin56:
3. What responsible person would proudly use that name anywhere right now?
What happened to free speech and decrying racism? Maybe he is of Arab descent.
Anyway, if it is an attemtp at humor, it's not the best.
While it is true that there are industries in which employees are not supposed to accept freebies from competitors, the casino industry is not one of them. The "locals" casino market segment of Vegas depends upon serving the employees of competitors and often targets promotions such as parties and yes, money, for them.
If you read industry publications, you would see announcements of such events.
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| Posted by: Jetset at September 12, 2002, 9:16 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
I think testing competitive casinos is a common practise in the business, and I see nothing wrong with it.
In doing so I would see no need to reveal that you are anything more than a routine client - mainly because you want to see what their general run-of-the-mill servicing and game performance is like - not some specially tweaked up level to impress.
Genuine casino critics would be doing something similar.
What intrigues me is how did the casino identify Dodgy as a competitor employee? Maybe he'll come back here and let us know.
I can't go with Slycin's 9/11 stuff or the inferences she has drawn regarding Dodgy - the choice of name is probably that quirky Brit sense of humour - the poster says he/she is English.
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at September 12, 2002, 9:14 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Fine. You guys can defend him all you want.
Here's some food for thought
I'm not defending him, but I don't agree with your position. I doubt any reasonable person would agrees with your position
1. He registered at this board yesterday, just to post this.
Valid point.
2. He registered the username "Dodgey Arab" - who's the Dodgey Arab?
Handles don't have anything to do with whether Netclub was right or wrong, or whether this guy is telling the truth. Your handle is Sly. One of the meanings of "sly" is "skillful at trickery or deceit".
Let's not read things into handles.
3. What responsible person would proudly use that name anywhere right now?
See above. I don't see any pride in his post. Maybe he is Arab? Who cares. It's not germane to the discussion.
4. And make his first post hours after the 1st anniversary of 9/11?
Again, this has nothing to do with the discussion.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at September 12, 2002, 9:02 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
The point is not relevant, Cin.
If the same "incentive" or bonus is offered to all members of the public who isit, then the employee of the other casino is most certainly entitled to it.
If the incentive could be construed to have been a special incentive, or "bonus because you work for the competition" then I most certainly think that this would NOT be ok.
If you work for Pepsi, go to a shopping mall where they are offering free Coke - is it unethical for you to have a free drink?
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| Posted by: slycin56 at September 12, 2002, 8:39 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Fine. You guys can defend him all you want.
Here's some food for thought -
1. He registered at this board yesterday, just to post this.
2. He registered the username "Dodgey Arab" - who's the Dodgey Arab?
3. What responsible person would proudly use that name anywhere right now?
4. And make his first post hours after the 1st anniversary of 9/11?
Perhaps I'm reading too much into this. Perhaps you're not reading enough.
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at September 12, 2002, 6:45 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
"You guys are missing the point here. I'm not discussing his *playing* at another casino - I'm discussing his accepting free money from another casino, without disclosing that he was a competing casino's employee."
Sly, Calling you clueless was being nice. I could think of worse. You really don't have a clue whatsoever.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at September 12, 2002, 3:04 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
If he met the terms and committed no fraud (chargeback, bank fraud, multiple signups) than what does it matter who he is?
Many casino employees in Vegas (and elsewhere) are prohibited from playing at their employer's house--that's to prevent problems of collusion.
They make welcome patrons at other casinos. They cash their paychecks at other casinos. They eat their meals at other casinos. They go to wet t-shirt parties at other casinos.
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at September 12, 2002, 2:39 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
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I'm also wondering why no one here has questioned "dodgy arab's" motives in posting negative material against a competing casino??
Maybe he has no other motive other than that he wasn't paid? It is possible. If he wanted to really bash Netclub, he could have made a fictitious post and not told anyone that he worked for a competing casino.
Now maybe he is just out to bash a competitor, but I don’t see it. He didn’t even tell us who he is working for, so his post certainly isn’t helping his employer.
Besides, given Netclub's and RTG's history of shady behavior, Dodgy's post has the ring of truth to it.
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| Posted by: slycin56 at September 12, 2002, 2:26 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Zrapture, is it possible for you to post without making personal insults, even in the most benign of discussions? People have gotten banned from this board recently for this behavior.
I'm also wondering why no one here has questioned "dodgey arab's" motives in posting negative material against a competing casino??
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at September 12, 2002, 2:06 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
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I'm discussing his accepting free money from another casino, without disclosing that he was a competing casino's employee.
I really don't see how it matters that he accepted free money and worked at another casino. He's still just another customer.
If a Mirage employee signs up for a player's card at Sam's Town and receives $10 worth of coins, no one raises an eyebrow. And it happens all the time in U.S. gambling markets.
And why would the guy ever disclose anything? He wasn’t doing anything shady, so why would he even bother to tell Netclub that he worked at a casino? Why would he even think this would be something that needs to be disclosed? And they don’t ask for this information on their sign-up form.
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| Posted by: zrapture at September 12, 2002, 1:56 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Slycin, you are so clueless it is frustrating.
Are you saying someone who works at Giant is not allowed to shop and use coupons at Acme? For those not is US they are both supermarkets.
That a dealer at MGM is not allowed to use matchplay bonuses mailed to him by the Frontier?
Get real.
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| Posted by: slycin56 at September 12, 2002, 1:50 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
well this thread is going to be moved to the right answer soon, but anyway.
slycin, what kind of logic is that? the situation is exactly the same as working for coke and drinking pepsi.. and he's got a great point - casino employees should test the waters at other places to see how things are going. i dont think it makes any sense to not pay someone just because they work for someone else... how often when yuou sign up to a casino do you fully disclose that you are a portal operator? it shoudln't make a difference!
You guys are missing the point here. I'm not discussing his *playing* at another casino - I'm discussing his accepting free money from another casino, without disclosing that he was a competing casino's employee.
I dare say that if a Coke employee were to accept free Pepsi from PepsiCo, Coke's eyebrows would be raised, and Pepsi might feel a little deceived in their attempts to gain a new customer.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at September 12, 2002, 12:45 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
As far as I know, casino employees are only prohibited from playing at the casino they are employed by. It is perfectly common to see employees playing at other casinos.
Online, I would imagine this to be not as common, but surely it still occurs and certainly there's nothing wrong with that.
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at September 12, 2002, 12:18 pm | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
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Did you disclose to them that you worked for a competitor when you claimed your free money? If not, then I don't think you even have the right to be complaining.
That really doesn't make sense to me. I think Don G's example is a good one. Many dealers in AC, LV & MS play at other casinos(they can't play at their own). There is never a problem with their doing so.
It seems to me that Netclub would want the action of any player. I don't see how working for a competitor hurts Netclub? The casino edge is still the same. Why would this guy even think it was necessary to disclose that he worked for a competitor? It just doesn’t make sense.
Unless NetClub forbids competiers from playing, I don't see why Dodgy Arab’s play would be a problem. Netclub appears to be in the wrong here (if their only excuse for not paying is that Dodgy worked for another casino).
From what I understand, many online casino employees play at other casinos.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at September 12, 2002, 11:58 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
well this thread is going to be moved to the right answer soon, but anyway.
slycin, what kind of logic is that? the situation is exactly the same as working for coke and drinking pepsi.. and he's got a great point - casino employees should test the waters at other places to see how things are going. i dont think it makes any sense to not pay someone just because they work for someone else... how often when yuou sign up to a casino do you fully disclose that you are a portal operator? it shoudln't make a difference!
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at September 12, 2002, 7:01 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
That is an absoultey inexcusable excuse not to pay someone. But thats just what you can expect from this group of RTG thieves. Thats like saying a blackjack dealer in Nevada can't go into any other casino and gamble on their off time. What a joke.
How did they figure out you work for another casino?
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| Posted by: dodgey arab at September 12, 2002, 5:49 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
actually, i'd encourage all the marketing people to play in other casinos...it's the best way to learn more about what your competition is up to.
netclub certainly taught me a lesson on bad customer service, irrespective of who i am or who i work for.
why else did i put this post here?
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| Posted by: caruso at September 12, 2002, 3:10 am | | Topic: The difference between night and day - Net Club Casino Forum: Winner Online |
And would they have refunded his deposit if he lost?
Eek, you've got it the wrong way round. If I work for Riverbelle, will Captain Cooks refuse to pay me if I choose to try them out and get lucky? Riverbelle might fire me for "disloyalty", but was has it to do with Cooks?
Casino double standard, nothing more.
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