| Posted by: gamblinboi at September 24, 2002, 1:44 pm | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Then we are agreed - Paris is the capital of France )
I love Jacks or Better, so the longer i can play the better that's why i play at 1.25 single line most of the time UNLESS i have a big bankroll then i might play 4 line cuz I can withstand the ariance
I should mention I got paid for this Royal already! Musichallcasino uses the eprocessing people and they are sooooooooo fast it's crazy! Typically always paid out in 2 business days max!
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| Posted by: DrOakland at September 24, 2002, 1:24 pm | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
edit 2: DrO. I think we've been misscommunicating here. Yes, 4 line JOB @ 5 total bet has less ariance then Single Line JOB @ 5 total bet. However, What I wanted to say was that players shouldn't play 5$ total 4-line JOB thinking that it has lower ariance than 1.25 JOB single line , or that the difference is negligble and maybe even better for the 4 line.
Yes I agree, we miscommunicated. When playing JOB for bonus qualifying, I've never considered playing 1.25 single line, simply because it would take too damn long. The defaults for MG is $5 for single line, and $1.25 x 4 lines at power poker. Those are what I was comparing.
DrO
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| Posted by: DrOakland at September 23, 2002, 9:10 pm | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by WizardOfOdds:
So what I meant when I wrote to Ray is that if you limit yourself to a total bet amount over all hands it is better to break it up over multiple hands. For example the stanard deviation of 1-play at the $5 level is $110.44, while 5-play at the $1 level is $58.50. Both bet $5 in total yet the 5-play has a lower ariance.
Thanks Wiz. Even though I notice you sidestep addressing 4-play MG Power Poker in particular (hmmm , that clarifies it. For me, the reduced ariance (and more frequent Royals) of Power Poker make it a better game, as bankroll swings are reduced proportionately. I'll be interested in that article...
DrO
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at September 23, 2002, 7:54 pm | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
i'm certain that n play indicates how many lines you are playing. i recall reading that 4 line (total bet $5) JOB has more ariance than single line JOB (total bet $1.25) but less ariance than single line JOB (total bet $5).
The Wiz refers to http://208.240.130.68/videopoker/nplay.html
for more info. There we get the following:
"There has been much interest recently in the olatility of N-play games. An N-play game is one in which you get a single hand (flop), choose which cards to hold, and then get N draws to that hold. "
and the most important quote:
"Let the ariance of a given game be V. If you play four hands of the game on a standard machine [gamblinboi note: single line], the ariance of those plays is just 4V, since ariance adds. But, if you play the same game in a 4-play ersion, then the ariance will be higher. That's because the results of the four draws are not independent, but are correlated (the amount of correlation depends ery stron... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: WizardOfOdds at September 23, 2002, 7:50 pm | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Let me try to clear up what I meant. We'll use 9/6 JoB as an example.
The standard deviation of single play at the $1 coinage with max coins is $1*5*4.417542=$22.09.
The standard deviation of 5-play at the $1 coinage with max coins is $1*5*sqr(5)*5.232613=$58.50.
The standard deviation of 1-play at the $5 level is max coins is $5*5*4.417542=$110.44.
So what I meant when I wrote to Ray is that if you limit yourself to a total bet amount over all hands it is better to break it up over multiple hands. For example the stanard deviation of 1-play at the $5 level is $110.44, while 5-play at the $1 level is $58.50. Both bet $5 in total yet the 5-play has a lower ariance.
Of course if you restict yourself to $1 per hand it is better to play one hand at a time rather than 5-play?
Does this make sense? I plan to write a Casino Player article on this early next year.
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| Posted by: DrOakland at September 23, 2002, 7:14 pm | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Gamblinboi, I believe you have misconstrued what the Wizard meant. It all depends on what is meant by n-play. Does he mean n plays of the same betting units, or dividing the betting unit by n? I believe he means the former.
In Microgaming Power Poker, the $5 bet is divided into four $1.25 bets. I'm contending that the net ariance of these four $1.25 plays is lower than the ariance of the unsplit $5 bet. The Wizard agreed with me on that some months back...
Anyway, I just emailed him to ask him to clarify.
DrO
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at September 23, 2002, 1:19 pm | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
DrOakland,
I'm sorry but you are mistaken. Here is the relevant link from The Wizard himself.
http://www.thewizardofodds.com/game/vidpokapx3.html
Relevant quotes:
"This appendix shall answer the question on the standard deviation for n-play ideo poker for three types of full pay machines. In general the greater the number of plays the greater the standard deviation. In fact the relationship between number of hands and standard deviation is a linear one. "
The relevant math:
9/6 Jacks or Better
n Variance Standard Dev.
1 19.514676 4.417542
3 23.447459 4.842258 <-- >> than single line!
5 27.380241 5.232613
10 37.212196 6.100180
50 115.867841 10.764193
100 214.187396 14.635143
"You will get Royals almost 4 times as often.."
is also incorrect. You might increase the how quickly you get to a royal in terms of playing time, however you do not increase how many royals you will get (unle... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DrOakland at September 23, 2002, 12:49 pm | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
4 line ideo poker has a much higher ariance and i've found I usually tap out quite quickly playing the multiline ideo pokers, whereas with single line i can play for much longer and thus have a better chance of hitting the royal!
Actually the 4 line Power Poker game has much LESS ariance, as you get 4 chances to play each hand instead of 1. The Wizard erified that for me some time back. You will get Royals almost 4 times as often, though each will only be worth 1/4 as much (unless you're lucky enough to be dealt a pat Royal).
DrO
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at September 22, 2002, 8:43 am | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
i've hit 4 in about a year of playing online i guess (previously i think i said 6 months but time flies :> ) .. first one at Golden Palace, one at Casino Grand Bay, one at Wiseguy Casino, and then this one at MusicHallcasino
My advice is always always ALWAYS play full coins, and *always* *ALWAYS* *ALWAYS!!!!* follow TheWizardOfOdds.com optimal strategy. Also, whenever you are close to getting a royal, either hope like hell you get it or just pretend like you don't care, and then BAM! Either you get your wish, or you get surprised like crazy
edit: oh, forgot to mention. you gotta be playing a good game, like Jacks or Better full pay... and single line. 4 line ideo poker has a much higher ariance and i've found I usually tap out quite quickly playing the multiline ideo pokers, whereas with single line i can play for much longer and thus have a better chance of hitting the royal!
[This message has been edited by gamblinboi (edited 09-22-2002).]
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| Posted by: ohdreampop at September 22, 2002, 8:33 am | | Topic: Another Royal!!! :)) MusicHallCasino.com Forum: Winner Online |
Congrats!! How many royals have you hit total while playing online?
I'm still a royal irgin. I had a dream last night that I got one playing Carribean Stud, but my dreams never come true.
Go buy something nice!
-- ohdreampop
[This message has been edited by ohdreampop (edited 09-22-2002).]
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