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| Posted by: Curious at November 29, 2002, 7:47 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
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| Posted by: Curious at November 29, 2002, 7:23 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at November 28, 2002, 11:00 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Nevada regulations specify that progressive monies are held in trust for players. Boss's act would have been a iolation of Nevada regs.
I couldn't find IoM regulations quoted in full on the Internet; they must have a set! And I'd assume that Boss does too.
It would be reassuring to see this situation addressed by Isle of Man regulators, though; even a "Thank you" to Boss for taking care of it quickly in response to players' concerns.
In fact, it would be nice someday to hear, as a player, from *any* regulators. Come by, post, say hello!
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at November 28, 2002, 10:39 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Boss's mistake still astounds me. I thought perhaps that in non-USA gambling jurisdictions that progressive monies may have been handled differently than in the USA, but, it turns out that the Isle of Man regulations are based on Nevada's laws.
"The Online Gambling Bill of 2001 emphasizes regulation, and the Isle of Man has agreed to adopt any rules and regulations that the Nevada Gaming Commission mandates necessary for legal and socially responsible Internet gaming."
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| Posted by: caruso at November 26, 2002, 5:52 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
(Thanks to Max for putting this back where it belongs.
I dislike the new format; the forum descriptions and titles are MISLEADING - see my earlier post. However, Max is no doubt constantly finding himself between a rock and a hard place - the interests of the players, and those of the people he answers directly to, who would clearly like to keep as many of the cracks as possible wallpapered over. Can't be the most entertaining of jobs for him, and I'm sure he's doing it with as much integrity as is permissible.)
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| Posted by: king 888 at November 25, 2002, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Mary
“But, does a software provider step over the line by knowingly partnering with a company that is in the business of establishing land operations in a restricted jurisdiction? Such that computers, connection, and cash handling are all taking place onshore, contrary to law?”
Of course they were stepping over the line! It was also ery deliberately done, because otherwise they would send out a lot of PR:s about this VERY successful operations.
I guess Boss media would like to distance themselves from this us much as they can. This is not easy, because they have been working ery close together with the local operators. Both software programmers and webdollar representatives have been engaged. The operators could in matters of seconds deposit and redraw thousands of dollars into and from players accounts. They did not even have to leave the table. Credits up to $5000 could be given on a regular basis. Technical support and surveillance people had to be stationed in Malaysia. | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KX at November 25, 2002, 10:19 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset; I´m sorry to say that I do not know King888 signature on the major Swedish stock related message boards.
I´m not willing to summarize EVERYTHING written since that would be filled with biased rumours. I´m ery willing to translate some of King888s posts however if he in some way would tell me "who" he is.
The following is of no interest to anyone but King888 and me so I´ll take it in Swedish. I apologize if someone finds this impolite.
King888; Skulle du kunna ge någon form a signal på antingen DI eller VCW? Jag tror att du et ilken signatur jag skriver under så du skulle kanske kunna skriva något riktat till mig? Jag ber dig dock att ej skriva min aktiesignatur här. Jag tycker din information är så intressant att jag gärna tar mig tid att översätta den till övriga här om du inte har tid/orkar.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at November 25, 2002, 8:48 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
According to the BBC, Malaysia bans gambling to its Muslim citizens and restricts it for non-Muslims. This is consistent with Islamic religious law.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as...ific/957636.stm
Cybercafes and ideo game arcades offering online gambling would be illegal the same way they are in North America--as unlicensed gambling establishements. They would be raided by police...except for those that pay protection or have a special relationship with local law enforcement. *ahem*
From an ethical perspective, I think most North American and Australian players accept that Boss supplies software to casino operators that take wagers from our continents, and that we accept that it is the player's responsibility to know and comply with local law onshore.
But, does a software provider step over the line by knowingly partnering with a company that is in the business of establishing land operations in a restricted jurisdiction? Such that computers, connection, and cash ha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: colly at November 25, 2002, 3:53 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The Original Mary:
I If Internet gaming is illegal in Malaysia, why would Boss have any deals with Malaysian companies?
Mary this may be similar to the Autralian setup- It is theoretically illegal to have internet gambling if you are AUstralian- supposedly on or offshore.
There are also prohibitions on legal Australian portals(eg Gone gambling) and casinos (lasseters) having Australian members although it is quite OK to offer offshore memberships.
Perhaps Malaysia has adopted the same ersion of hypocrisy- its morally wrong so we won't let Malaysians play but everyone else is fair game. Certainly there is a land casino outside of KL attached to their largest amusement park-I believe Spear reviewed it about two years ago.
regards
COlly
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| Posted by: Jetset at November 25, 2002, 2:38 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
The title is factual, and following Max's concession and response to popular appeal in moving this back to B&W I would hope we're not going to get into a debate on the title thing which takes an important topic off course.
KX et al, what are the Swedish investor boards where Boss is represented saying about this - can you give us a synopsis?
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| Posted by: max at November 24, 2002, 11:25 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Frankly guys I strongly suspect that if this thread got moved back title unchanged it would probably get pulled altogether. I'll bet we'd hear from someone's lawyers and that would be that.
I agree that wider exposure is a good think. However, I see no point it having that exposure short-lived, which it certainly would be if the lawyering started happening. Been there, done that, pretty much know how it would go.
To me it seems prudent to change the title and fly under the legal radar, but that's just my opinion. I hope it's clear that I'm suggesting the title change for pragmantic reasons, not censorship or whatever some people would like to call it.
That aside, at this point I freely admit that this thread is not a rant and as such no longer belongs in this forum. BEST AND WORST is indeed the place for it.
Since the heart of this matter is missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos I'm going to retitle the thread as follows and move it back:
"Boss Media ar... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: king 888 at November 24, 2002, 10:07 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Mary
Is internet gambling illegal in Malaysia?
At the time I was investigating this it all looked like a mess. As you might know, Malaysia is a Muslim country with a big Chinese community. Government sources with ties to the Muslim party of course wanted to stop this entures immediately. According to them, any company promoting gambling should have some kind of permit, which Diva Gold, who managed the business operations of the Boss license Atlanticcasino never had. Other sources I had contact with said everything from YES to No and one of operators that I spoke with said everything was 50/50 legal. However in the way the business was conducted there was a snowballs chance in hell, it could have been recognised by government bodies. Police and other forces was cracking down on certain operators but not others. Of course they were acting on behalf of the protected businesses. That is, those who Dijaya had interests in.
I am not so sure that the press release that you refers to ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The Original Mary at November 24, 2002, 9:03 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Here's the Interim Report, In English.
It explicitly says that Boss has a letter of intent for forming a joint enture with with the two
Malaysian companies Dijaya Corporation Berhad and PalmGold Corporation Sdn Bhd.to promote online casinos in "the Asian market".
http://www.bossmedia.se/ir/pdf/bm_interim_0009_eng.pdf
Palmgold's web site:
http://www.mirage.com.my/
Here's an article with mention of Palm God's relationship with the Phillipines PAGCor (note: currently under investigation, by the way):
Gov't gaming firm to flood
country with slot machines
Posted:1:34 AM (Manila Time) | Aug. 10, 2002
By John Nery
Inquirer News Service
(First of three parts)
UNDER President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo’s administration, legalized gambling has shaken off the stigma of the Estrada years and emerged even stronger. Proof: The Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp., a government corporation directly under the Office of the Presid... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HKGambler at November 24, 2002, 8:59 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
It's about time for IOM, IGC, PWC, OPA etc. to officially reassess $ declare Boss Media's status & reputation.
It's about time for BM's licencees (who themselves care ery much about reputations of their own like DrHoLite, Casino Atlantis) to consider changing ship.
It's about time for Max (who has been proven to be so humble to take advice & prudent in righting wrongs) to put this thread back to the Best & Worst without rewordings of the title.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at November 24, 2002, 8:44 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
I too think this thread is misplaced.
This is from the Yahoo Finance site description of Boss Media:
"Boss Media avser att bilda ett joint enture-bolag med Dijaya Corporation Behad och PalmGold Corporation Sdn Bhd i Malaysia. Boss Media kommer att äga 50% a det samägda bolaget."
http://se.biz.yahoo.com/p/b/boss.st.html
If Internet gaming is illegal in Malaysia, why would Boss have any deals with Malaysian companies?
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| Posted by: Jetset at November 24, 2002, 8:37 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
These are ery worrying allegations that if proved could adversely impact the online gambling industry as well as Boss, but the more exposure issues like this get the more likely it is that the truth will out... and usually-somnolent authorities may be compelled to action by that.
More importantly, trangressors can be pressured into lawful and ethical behaviour to the benefit of the public and their investors. We already have a $155 000+ example of that right here in this thread.
I believe that wider exposure is already starting to happen, because the many readers of this thread have their own contacts and the allegations and responses have probably been rippling outwards for the past week or more.
Any organisation that makes implied threats such as those reported by King888 deserves to be called to account, and I would hope that King furnishes links to his/her financial posts to our Swedish posters here in the hope that the more relevant information is translated so as to ad... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zrapture at November 24, 2002, 3:37 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Max, Add me to the list of members who "disagree" that the title of the thread is to severe.
I personally had no problem with calling a company who swindled over 100k in jackpots from players "crooks." Why is that so severe? That is before even reading King's other accusations.
Maybe King888 can change his title too
"BOSS MEDIA ARE A BUNCH OF individuals who comprise a company who decided to make 100k+ disappear, but they aren't necessarily crooks since online gambling is unregulated and they don't have to face charges on actions that would be against the law in regulated gambling jurusdictions"
It might be a little long, but it gets the point across without using the word "crooks"
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| Posted by: DONGAMBLER at November 24, 2002, 3:36 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
"Because the title of this thread is false and misleading/ Boss Media is not a bunch of "crooks" and to say so is pointlessly inflamatory.
Yes, there may well have been something fishy in the events described and that's what makes the thread worthwhile. If the subject had been "Questionable events at Gold Club Casino" or somesuch the thread probably would never have been moved.
In fact I'm gonna suggest that if everyone agrees I'll change the thread subject accordingly and move it back.
Regards,
Max.
What do you mean Boss is not a bunch of crooks? This thread proves it and BOSS ADMITTED TAKING PLAYERS MONEY.. What does that make them? Is this just an honest mistake? NO WAY, they knew what they were doing, they just didn't expect to be caught.
Fishy,, Is that how you see it? Theft to you is just "fishy"? And the title of this thread is NOT MISLEADING OR INFLAMATORY,
Theft is theft and to call it fishy or questio... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: king 888 at November 24, 2002, 10:36 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
First, I want to state that I am no former employee of Boss media, not even associated in any other way. I am a totally free agent. I am a gambler and an investor. I am ery interested in everything related to gambling. All from the maths behind it to the latest industry news. From time to time, I have been shareholder of both Boss media and Cherry. This gave me more incitement to dig even deeper in to the industry. I am the type of person who would not believe everything officially communicated by companies. I learned this the hard way, from other industries. I would like to have it confirmed by other sources or have it further investigated by myself. In this case I have a pretty large net of aluable contacts that I used.
When I begun my investigations of Boss media, I made some findings that made me ery suspicious. At that time I had a lot respect for what I thought was a ery reputable company. However some things looked ery strange and I contacted them about those matters. I then realized tha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KX at November 24, 2002, 5:55 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
King 888; Do you have an e-mail address I can reach you at? I would be ery interested in hearing your story. It sounds horrible and I would really want to see the responsible ppl take their punishment.
Jetset; I doubt it will help much telling the Swedish authorities about all the lies. I´m ery disillusioned when it comes to the Swedish stock market authorities
As far as I know it has not happened anything regarding Cryptologics lies to the market. I do believe the US/Canadian authorities to be much stricter than the Swedish, so when nothing happens there I doubt anything will happen in Sweden.
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| Posted by: Jetset at November 24, 2002, 4:41 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
"I was ery critical to some things that happened around this company some while ago. At the time, I was just expressing my concern and also brought some issues to the daylight. The management of the company was not so happy about this. In fact it made them so worried that they threatened me and my family in a way that only gangsters or other organized crime people would do. I still have the evidence of this in a well kept place."
This is a ery serious accusation, but like Caruso I have read your posts from time to time here, King888 and I have usually been impressed by your accuracy.
This sort of allegation does beg the (neutral I assure you) question 'why was this not reported to the authorities'?
If it was, what was the outcome, bearing in mind you could produce evidence? If it was not reported, then why not?
And what other questionable activities have been taking place - if these involved stock irregularities were the appropriate SE officials advised? We... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: max at November 23, 2002, 11:14 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
While I understand perfectly well that we've pretty much agreed to disagree I do thank you king888 for at least thinking about what I was trying to say. And it behoves me to do the same.
I have never been threatened by anyone in the gambling industry and I'm sure I never want to be. If someone from Boss did that to you then they deserve a lot less respect than I've given them. I'm sorry to hear that happened to you and, yes, such actions would earn anyone the title "crook", at the ery least.
As to retitling the thread and moving it I can only say that I thought I was offering a reasonable compromise. I do believe the current subject title is inflamatory and until someone shows me evidence to the contrary I do believe it is inappropriate in BEST AND WORST.
Finally, it's not so much that I thought you'd care about my opinion as my efforts to run a decent forum. I do hope you'll stay because I believe you are a aluable member of the board's discussions.
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| Posted by: king 888 at November 23, 2002, 10:50 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
I broke my promise. I am already back.
I am having a few beers in front of my computer after a hard night at the poker tables.
Maybe losing heavy sets me on a sentimental mood or its just the alcohol. However, I just want to say I am sorry Max. Not that I care ery much about this board or how its run, but I could not stop thinking about it tonight.
A ery good friend of mine suggested that you might feel a lot of pressure and it makes you freaking out. I guess he is right. That could be the reason why you use bad language to well respected posters and show what I think is bad judgment in other issues.
The number of unique hits at your board is probably in steady falling trend. At the same time both bosses and the posters are giving you a hard time. That’s what I see and I understand it can not be easy for you.
I have no idea about the rules of this site. Only the few whom might have followed the debate would know where exactly to post a certain message. I must sta... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vickinz at November 23, 2002, 4:16 pm | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
MAX: Think you do a pretty good job, tho this thread should not have been moved due to importance of content, no matter what the heading was. But I'm impressed by your self-restraint, patience and fairness most of the time. You wouldn't be human if you were perfect LOL!
Why I will always return to WOL is that it is the speediest for me, and has the WIDEST range of discussion subjects, WITHOUT olumes of gifs, icons, graphics etc. which waste space and time, now that things online getting slower and slower at my end.
It would be good if we all try harder to be more specific/informative in our headings (not referring to this one).
[This message has been edited by ickinz (edited 11-23-2002).]
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| Posted by: king 888 at November 23, 2002, 8:51 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Original by Max
”You know what? If you don't like it, piss off!”
That’s exactly what I will do. Don’t forget that the posters on this site makes it run. Not you!
You really think that we should name or rename the title of our posts after your opinion? You can not be serious?!
You want to make us think that you don’t act on behalf of your bosses and ultimately the shareholders of Cryptologic. That’s an insult of our intelligence. Don’t you see, even if it was true it only makes you an even bigger fool.
Maybe YOU THINK that Boss media is not a crooked organisation. Very good for you, but I KNOW otherwise.
You have lost your credibility way back and I guess that’s why many of the most interesting posters have left. I don’t see me among them but you can now add one more name to the list of non-coming-back posters.
R.I.P
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| Posted by: Dave R at November 23, 2002, 4:56 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Although I completely disagree with king888, Caruso and DonGambler that Bossmedia is a crooked orginization, these 3 members have a right to thier opinion.
You should move this thread to B & W without changing the title of the thread. I can certainly see why king888 would think Boss stole 100K + and this is king888's OPINION,
and it has a right to be expressed.
A member can then choose to click on the thread and make up his or her OWN MIND. This is what freedom of speech is all about.
Bossmedia's management made a terrible mistake discontinuing these jackpots to begin with. THIS MONEY IS THE PLAYERS MONEY( AS DonGambler says both past and future).
This should be front page news, and not hidden away.
KX - I am beginning to agree with you about Bertilsson.
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| Posted by: max at November 23, 2002, 1:25 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
... Why don´t you move the thread now?
Because the title of this thread is false and misleading/ Boss Media is not a bunch of "crooks" and to say so is pointlessly inflamatory.
Yes, there may well have been something fishy in the events described and that's what makes the thread worthwhile. If the subject had been "Questionable events at Gold Club Casino" or somesuch the thread probably would never have been moved.
In fact I'm gonna suggest that if everyone agrees I'll change the thread subject accordingly and move it back.
Regards,
Max.
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| Posted by: max at November 23, 2002, 1:17 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
...Every bit counts.
I agree, up to a point. However when someone's posts repeatedly hammer away at the empty claims of corruption, subterfuge, negligence, general failure, worthlessness, etc of WOL I find myself disagreeing. In those particular cases I think we'd be better off without them. Yes they may have made worthwhile contributions in the past but the present bad attitude and continuous grumbling mean, to me, that the show can continue without them.
The bottom line looks something like this: I work hard to provide as fair and as open a forum as I can while the rest of the WOL team works as hard or harder to provide a top quality site. To have someone slagging us off all the time is annoying, frustrating and destructive.
Regards,
Max.
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| Posted by: Wave at November 23, 2002, 12:27 am | | Topic: Missing Jackpots at Boss Media casinos ( was: Boss media are crooks) Forum: Winner Online |
Oh, too late to be reading this thread, since the discussions of forum structure has been undergoing.
Max, I see your points. But I have an opinion on one statement you made, that "However, if you find yourself thinking everything I do is unfair you might want to find another board to read. And if you find yourself repeatedly stating how corrupt, damaged, blah blah blah, WOL is then I definitely recommend you go elsewhere. I don't need your bitching and you probably don't need the stress."
Zrapture, DonGambler, Caruso, etc. are long time sopporters & aluable contributors. This really hurts(being the one who patrons) to hear from someone who runs a business. May I say such statement is unnecessary and entirely out of emotions. After all, they are actively participating the board hoping to better this place(yours), despite they may be somewhat impolite. The alue of this board is accumulated by each aluable individuals. Every bit counts.
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