| Posted by: bonuslover at December 11, 2002, 3:31 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Intercasino has been the best so far (regardless of its cashier). I play BJ 100% of the time and always manage to win some (but then loses it in its poker room).
I am not sure if you guys have noticed, the chances of dealer showing a 10 equivalent are really significantly higher than what probability dictates, i.e. 31%.
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| Posted by: jackdavis at December 11, 2002, 3:14 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
I've usually done well at Cryptologic sites playing ideo poker, but not nearly as well playing blackjack. My advice: stick to ideo poker. And do not play Pai-GowPoker, you will lose.
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| Posted by: kyyang at December 9, 2002, 1:55 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Alan,
Thats ery good and constructive comments you have there. Its a definite change from hurling insults and bashes that are being posted from some users. The website your posted is ery useful.
No, I dont think the players imply that Crypto is rigged. The comments were that most posters have bad experience specifically at Intercasino and prefer not to play there.
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| Posted by: Foster at December 9, 2002, 1:35 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
I am reluctant to get mired in this ongoing discussion, but I have some data and a couple of comments to throw in.
I've played Cryptologic casinos since 2000, and I have to admit that I have had the same frustrations oiced here - what appeared to me to be uncanny losses. In fact, I got so fed up that I just gave up on them in March. I recently plunged back in and won a bit. Overall, the experience is positive when bonuses are included, but not by much. And yet, my losses are not sufficient to allege cheating. They fall into the bad luck category.
Here is why I say that. I have logged almost every Cryptologic hand since I got suspicious (very close to day one). I have 12,894 hands tabulated. My current gambling losses are 132.5 units. They were 221 when I gave up in March with 10,649 hands. While there was only a 2.5% probability of results that poor in March, it has now improved to over 10%. Not ery conclusive.
Here are my comments:
1. Like thousands of complaints abo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Miamivce at December 9, 2002, 3:46 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Sorry, I don't keep records. But, I used to play at the better-known, bigger casinos. One of which is Intercasino. I play BJ about 80% of the time, the rest on nearly ALL the other stuff. I used to deposit $100 or $200 and try to grow it to $600+ (plan is to cash out at $500 with the surplus used to continue playing). About a year ago, I smartened up a bit and started making $50 - $60 deposits only. ONE time, I was successful in getting to about $600 (MOSTLY due to a lucky SLOT machine hit). Unfortunately, I did not cash out and watched my bundle fall like a meteor as usual. Generally, my deposit would last me about 5 days (average), a few times it was more like 5 minutes. During these 18 or so mos. - I NEVER got to make a withdrawal at Intercasino!
Doing and playing the exact same way, I found a casino (recommended by many in this forum) and tried doing the same thing, keeping my deposits down to $50 - $60. On my SECOND attempt, my 50 bucks grew to $1100 (largely due to a lucky $800 Keno score imme... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at December 7, 2002, 11:37 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
The only aguely interesting thing about all this is the level of massive ignorance it demonstrates from the average WOL poster. Regarding your points:
1) So now you have evidence that Crypto IS rigged, from all this bull?
2) I'd love to know what you base THAT conclusion on. Maybe you base your conclusions on the remarks posted by idiots, and, ooddly enough, ignore the remarks posted by the intelligent. Bizzare.
3) Stupid, idiotic, utturly unjustifiable generalization.
4) Well, you managed to get ONE right.
5) Phrased so badly I don't understand.
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| Posted by: kyyang at December 7, 2002, 6:14 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
I started this thread more than a month ago and its interesting to see it revived again.
Unless there are more postings from regular winners, my conclusions so far are :
1. No evidence previously that Crypto is rigged.
2. Intercasino uses Crypto but stands out as extremely difficult to win (short or long run)
3. Intercasino gives out extremely generous bonuses but you generally lose your bonus or entire deposit.
4. Anyone call this "rigging" is subjected to stone throwing by others and labeled as "whiners".
5. Yet, giving the choice (with equal bonuses at other casinos etc), no one wants to play regularly at Intercasino. Or is there?
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| Posted by: TheTroll21 at December 7, 2002, 4:42 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
I just hate playing BJ at Intercasino. I always loose about 80% of the first 10-20 games, and then it is no fun. Just played there 5 minutes ago, and 2 wins, 1 push and 8 losses.
I know it is only 11 games, but this is happening all the time. I have never had the opposite happening to me.
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| Posted by: Dickau43 at December 6, 2002, 1:40 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
I don't have the log available, but my December results from the $50 match bonus doing $5 wagers...down 20 units to $0 after 127 units wagered. Not too unusual at all. But the overall Intercasino results are ery unusual. Maybe it's bad luck. Has anyone actually done well longterm with Intercasino BJ?
August $100 deposit, $100 bonus, $95 left
September $100 deposit, $100 bonus, $200 left
October $75 deposit, $75 bonus, $75 left
November $75 deposit, $75 bonus, none left
December $50 deposit, $50 bonus, none left
Quote: Originally Posted by Dickau43:
FWIW, here are my InterCasino results for their monthly match bonus just completed.
P L L W L L BJ BJ BJ W L W 2W/W W/W P P W 2L L* 2L L W L 2W 2L P L L L L/L W L L L BJ 2W/2L L L L* W W L W L 2W L W L L P L L L L P L L L* L P L L W L L L
26-47-7 with 4 BJ and 3 dealer BJ.
I haven't read most of this thread, but I will. I'm not going to say I believe InterCasino is or isn't rigged. I usually d... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Clayman at November 6, 2002, 8:11 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dickau43:
The November sample above is obviously not enough to figure anything out, given that I was doing large bets ($10) and we all know it's VERY easy to lose your bankroll when your wager size is 1/15 of it.
You got that right.
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| Posted by: KM at November 6, 2002, 2:17 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Tim,
Results don't lie. BUT.... who knows how long bad luck runs? Problem is there is no debate about anyone finding good luck at Intercasino....no one has had any consistently.
If the ast majority of the people are commenting about bad luck or results that lead to serious questions, what does that say about the "slight house advantage" we are supposed to expect?
(BTW.... Ryan why no post in defense of your casino?)
KM
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| Posted by: Dickau43 at November 5, 2002, 9:39 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
FWIW, here are my InterCasino results for their monthly match bonus just completed.
P L L W L L BJ BJ BJ W L W 2W/W W/W P P W 2L L* 2L L W L 2W 2L P L L L L/L W L L L BJ 2W/2L L L L* W W L W L 2W L W L L P L L L L P L L L* L P L L W L L L
26-47-7 with 4 BJ and 3 dealer BJ.
I haven't read most of this thread, but I will. I'm not going to say I believe InterCasino is or isn't rigged. I usually dno't put any stock into "conspiracy theories" like these, and I've had perfectly normal (or better) results at all the Crypto casinos, but here are my results at InterCasino:
August $100 deposit, $100 bonus, $95 left
September $100 deposit, $100 bonus, $200 left
October $75 deposit, $75 bonus, $75 left
November $75 deposit, $75 bonus, none left
Interesting that I only made $20 on $350 in bonuses using BS. I wish I had logs of those results but I only have the dollar amounts. Of course it definitely could be attibuted to bad luck. The November samp... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Clayman at November 5, 2002, 9:53 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Hi hatrick
I just thought I should add it was in Sep my brother-in-law played and caused me to look further into it. His results were WAY out there on the bell-shaped curve. I saw some other posted results that were way out there as well. I played in fun mode for a while with results way out there. I'm not saying that's proof that it is crooked but it was enough to make me pass on the Carribean Pearl, etc offers and enough I won't go back.
It certainly was in stark contrast to my results from last May which, at the time, constituted a totally unremarkable session of BJ in every respect, finishing up 6.5 units after 214 hands. So with these results as fact, I initially iewed claims to the contrary as the usual "whining", ignoring BS, etc.
I'm not aware of them being declared crooked in the way the Wiz declared Casino Bar. But it certainly would be a candidate for him, IMHO. I lack the credentials and expertise he has, that's for sure.
A casino like this is pretty much the whol... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Clayman at November 5, 2002, 8:56 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KM:
Frankly if I would not neg. prog. past say 4 hands, I would be up. I am going to try to do that.... As I admitted some months ago on this site, emotion is one of my weaknesses...one that I'm sure all casinos count on.
I thought I would take advantage of this rare opportunity to respond, rather than rebut
Unfortunately none of is the robot we are playing against and we constantly have to keep our emotions under control. I'm as guilty as the next guy losing control once in a while. Almost without exception, when I lose, it's because I lost a little control. That's probably why over time I tend to try not to out-guess whether the table is hot cold or in between. It wears me out, emotionally. Sounds like a reasonable idea to limit your neg progs to 4 hands or so. Easier said than done, I know.
I always distill my sessions down to "what if I had flat bet $1 every hand" (done automatically actually) just to know how many units I would have... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hattrick at November 5, 2002, 1:49 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Posted by: clayman
I became convinced their software was crooked around September. I never played between May & September because I didn't get a bonus offer I liked. I guess that implies I'd like to hear about negative/positive experiences prior to last May to test the hypothesis the crooked software was introduced between May & Sep.
I'd answer your second question but I don't understand what you are asking.
What say you, caruso?
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| Posted by: KM at November 4, 2002, 11:38 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Clayman,
As far as what I bet.... I pretty much use a 3-4 hand neg. progress. When the table is running warm for me, I try to place 1 or more larger bets (10%) of my pot.
What has nailed me though is going to a longer neg. prog. when the session is going well where it is an even W L W L W L , that is when I'm assuming/guessing that a longer neg. prog. will work. That is when I get nailed with these 7-8-9-10-11 in-a-row dealer runs.
A lot of the time I just flat bet until a pattern of play emerges... hot, cold, warm table etc.
Like I said about the last 24 hours, I took $300 and turned it into $664, $364 of which I withdrew and then lost the $300 on a bad dealer run (out of the blue). I know the dealer is going to have those from time to time. I know I SHOULD GET SOME TOO, BUT I DON'T. The only long runs at Intercasino are going to the dealer. That is my complaint.
Frankly if I would not neg. prog. past say 4 hands, I would be up. I am going to try to do t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Clayman at November 4, 2002, 7:32 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KM:
424 total hands
I don't have time to waste flat betting all the way through a 20X playthrough.
That's interesting because you would need only about 341 hands at $4/hand to meet the $1500 WR.
Good luck to you on the "ups and downs of differential betting". I still like to try the new roller coaster rides at Cedar Point but I suspect the Millennium Force has nothing on you!
I suspect there's a middle ground between the flat-betting that is simply not your nature and how much I'm guessing you are over-betting your session bankroll. Before you play, do you set a min-max betting range and stick to it? I try to. You never tell us anything specific about your betting patterns, especially this negative progression thing you are obsessed with, even though I have asked. I suspect it's because you are ery much a "feel" player and it aries quite a bit from hand-to-hand and session-to-session.
If I were doing what I think you ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KM at November 4, 2002, 3:06 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Ah Clayman, you are such a comedian. Actually I was teasing you that after you had such a great winning experience, you have not gotten over you joy long enough to go back and try it again. Most of us, if we found a casino that we could clean up at, would not leave. You answered though that later you thought the software was "crooked." Gee, that sounds like you believe software can be rigged? First Caruso and now Clayman, two lost souls in a world of whining and bitching.
At least the fact that online casino software can be rigged has been acknowledged.
If one or two are/have been, how many more?
FYI... here is the tracking results from my last 24 hours at Intercasino (winning/losing runs). Obviously I did not play for 24 hours:
Winning (player) runs:
4 X 4 in-a-row
2 X 6 " " "
Losing (dealer) runs:
8 X 4 in-a-row
1 X 5 " " "
3 X 6 " " "
1 X 9 " " "
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| Posted by: Clayman at November 4, 2002, 12:57 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KM:
If you played there last MAY and did so well, why not go back and win again? Did it take you 5 months so far to get over that winning experience?
I was just trying to answer hattrick's question. What I was trying to say was I think I was lucky to have played there before they introduced their crooked software. I became convinced their software was crooked around September. I never played between May & September because I didn't get a bonus offer I liked. I guess that implies I'd like to hear about negative/positive experiences prior to last May to test the hypothesis the crooked software was introduced between May & Sep.
I'd answer your second question but I don't understand what you are asking.
Quote: Originally Posted by KM:
You also seems to take an inordinate amount of time to rebut and respond to every utterance
Well, excUUUSE me, as Steve Martin used to say, for posting. Alot of utterances I just respond to bu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at November 4, 2002, 12:31 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Not bad luck. Ordinary results thrown out of perspective because of ever increasing amounts of money on the table.
You say you won, then lost. That's the way it's supposed to be, gambling. No, actually you BEAT the house (won $46), so that's NOT the way it's supposed to go.
Rigged.
Will this Intercasino fixation ever go away (sigh)? Currently we're at three threads and counting. My money's on at least two more before the month's out (pun intended).
Then we can start again next month.
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| Posted by: KM at November 4, 2002, 8:14 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
BTW..... just had another Intercasino only moment (maybe I should say Crytologic moment).
Played with $300 since last night. Worked up to $664 and withdrew over time $364. Playing with $300 pot.
Came to a nice $2 table with a ery W...L...W...L...W...L ery even so decided to use negative progession. BAMMO...next 9 hands lost in a row... $0 left.
Busted
Dealer 20
Dealer 20 (doubled down)
Dealer 17
Dealer 20 (doubled down)
Dealer 20
Dealer 17
Dealer 20 (split and doubled)
Dealer 21
No money left.
How come I consistently see 7-8-9 in a row when using Neg. Progression?
Uncanny how the dealer/casino/server/software/operator seem to notice the betting pattern/strategy.
I am more convinced since we all know doubling up after a loss is the most widely used "strategy" used by players (yes I know, neg. prog. is used primarily by beginning and or desparate players).
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| Posted by: KM at November 4, 2002, 8:07 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Clayman,
If you played there last MAY and did so well, why not go back and win again? Did it take you 5 months so far to get over that winning experience?
You also seems to take an inordinate amount of time to rebut and respond to every utterance, please restate what you interest is in onling gaming and any affiliations you have with any portals or casinos.
KM
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| Posted by: Clayman at November 4, 2002, 6:32 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hattrick:
Has anyone won there?
The guy whose job it is to turn on the "killer switch" must have called in sick the day I played there last May. Did the (200/200)*6 played 214 hands, 195 at $10 & 19 at $15. Won 94, Lost 98 Tied 22 with 15 BJ's.
Cashed out $450 and got paid to PP in 2 days.
Seemed like a "Can't lose" deal.
I guess, as my grandfather used to say, "Kissed by the hand of God and shot in the *ss with luck"!
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| Posted by: hattrick at November 4, 2002, 12:20 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Posted by Clayman:
My brother-in-law played Netgaming his second time out and I can't get him to play again.
Another ictim of netgaming.com!
I remember a thread from some time back about this casino. Has anyone won there?
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| Posted by: Clayman at November 3, 2002, 4:49 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KM:
Also, I think one of the most distrubing things I see at Intercasino is the bust card up to the dealer turning into 21. I'm starting to track the results of dealer up cards of 4, 5, & 6.
Before you do and/or post same, could you tell us what is expected to happen?
If not, what's the point?
Hopefully it won't happen during one of your "negative progressions" because that might taint the results since we know this is when the "worst runs of luck" happen. Try to make it happen when the "uncanny eveness of the results, to the point of predictability" is occurring. This should be easy, since it's so predictable. I still can't figure out how you can lose in such a predictable game.
By the way, how can you even afford an 18 game losing streak in a negative progression? How do you bet a 7 game losing streak? I'd love to hear a more precise definition of your "negative progression" strategy. When do ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: steve_badger at November 3, 2002, 4:24 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
"those that have isited Intercasino with similar outcome, we know we are not going back. those who won at Intercasino and felt the injustice for Intercasino, pls start a new thread and let others know."
Next time have the sense to not title a thread with a question mark. Some people might think that you are interested in actually discussing a QUESTION rather than just rant because you have made up your mind.
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Steve Badger
Winner's Guide to Online Poker
http://www.playwinningpoker.com
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| Posted by: Clayman at November 3, 2002, 4:03 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hattrick:
Clayman, can you explain why the BS would be different at MG? Thanks
MG one deck - Intercasino eight decks
MG no soft doubles - Intercasino all soft-doubling allowed
MG no double after splitting allowed - Intercasino - double after splitting allowed
MG dealer deals no hole card and wins any doubled or split bets after getting a BJ - Intercasino dealer checks all 10's and Aces for BJ's before you have a chance to double or split.
MG you can hit a pair of Aces after you split them - Intercasino you can't.
At least they both stand on a soft-17!
As always, different rules/# of decks create a different BS. Never play until you have the BS for the set of rules you will be playing. The difference between these two games just proves how important it is to know the rules before you begin to play. I can't think of much that is more important.
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| Posted by: KM at November 3, 2002, 3:14 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
I played on land for about 3 years and can say I have seen it all. I have won 19 in a row and lost 18 in a row as well.
There is a huge difference when you can see the cards shuffled and dealt. Something about that switches the brain to "at least I watched it"... etc.
My only observation about Cryto software is the uncanny eveness of the results, to the point of predictability. I also observe that my worst runs of luck are associated with neg. prog. This is not just remembering when I got burned, but seeing the longest dealer runs during the time I'm playing neg. progression.
Also, I think one of the most distrubing things I see at Intercasino is the bust card up to the dealer turning into 21. I'm starting to track the results of dealer up cards of 4, 5, & 6.
KM
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| Posted by: kyyang at November 3, 2002, 2:39 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
ohdreampop
indeed, the original post is about Intercasino and not Casino Bar. But neither is the original post about landbased casino either.
You gave an example about whats possible is land based casino and I gave an example of whats possible in internet casino. Thats all.
the purpose of the post is to discuss with Clayman on the outcome of flat betting on Intercasino (which we had discussed on the other thread).
those that think I whine, fine. your opinion is noted and you can now avoid read this thread since you know its a whiner's post.
those that have isited Intercasino with similar outcome, we know we are not going back.
those who won at Intercasino and felt the injustice for Intercasino, pls start a new thread and let others know.
but those that have not isited Intercasino and would like to avoid it becos of this post, I congratulate them on their choice as POSSIBLY avoiding the similar experience.
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| Posted by: zrapture at November 3, 2002, 2:01 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
This crybabies are really getting out of hand. Is it necessary for three intercasino threads to be near the top with the smae people complaining over and over. If you don't like the casino, stop ****ing playing there!
kyyang, many land based casinos have been caught cheating in one aspect or another over the last half century. So I guess that means that all the casinos in Vegas cheat, right?
Q3, there are many members here but only a few who consistently complain over nothing. Don't let the same people saying the same things over and over make you believe a lot of people are complaning. It really is a ery low %. Those certain members have ADD I believe and like to post about every little thing that bothers them. You just have to be able to seperate the real problems from the crap.
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| Posted by: caruso at November 3, 2002, 1:23 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
EXCELLENT post, ODP. EXACTLY so. My guess is that 99% of the W.W.W. (WOL Whingers & Whiners) have never even so much as SEEN a real deck of cards, let alone have any experience of a terrestrial Blackjack game.
I couldn't have said it better (but I HAVE said it, of course!), so no apologies for quoting your post in its entirity:-
Quote:
Originally absofrigginglutely exemplarily posted by ohdreampop:
Here's my reply to the question of "rigged".
My entire table had the craziest luck at Caesar's last night (riverboat casino). It was actually quite funny... the entire table must have lost 15 hands in a row. Dealer getting 21 every time, blah blah... and George (our dealer) wouldn't bust. The first time he did bust (it must have been 2 full shues), this guy on the end stood up and announced to the rest of the floor, "Hey, everyone... George busted!!" This is the same guy that cheered when he finally got a push! Luckily the cards turned after a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Q3 at November 3, 2002, 12:19 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
I SEE OVER THE YEARS A LOT OF THESE TOPICS
TO BE ONNEST SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG
MUCH COMPLAINERS... NOT RIGHT...
I have a story myself..
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| Posted by: ohdreampop at November 3, 2002, 11:32 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by kyyang:
the difference here is that online casino has been proven to be rigged
I believe the original post was about Intercasino and not Casino Bar.
It's news to me if Cryptologic is "proven rigged".
-- ODP
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| Posted by: kyyang at November 3, 2002, 10:46 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
ohdreampop
thanks for your post and the comments. however, the difference here is that online casino has been proven to be rigged while not so at reputable land casinos.
Furthermore, we can all see how the cards are shuffled but you have no idea how the software is programmed.
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| Posted by: ohdreampop at November 3, 2002, 9:33 am | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Here's my reply to the question of "rigged".
My entire table had the craziest luck at Caesar's last night (riverboat casino). It was actually quite funny... the entire table must have lost 15 hands in a row. Dealer getting 21 every time, blah blah... and George (our dealer) wouldn't bust. The first time he did bust (it must have been 2 full shues), this guy on the end stood up and announced to the rest of the floor, "Hey, everyone... George busted!!" This is the same guy that cheered when he finally got a push! Luckily the cards turned after a while and we had fun the whole time, anyway.
The point of my post is that if those hands were to have come at an online casino instead of a land-based, you'd bet your last dollar that everyone would have cried rigged. I had that thought as I was sitting there. The odds of it were unreal, but of course it was fair. Heck, we watch them shuffle and we cut the cards ourselves.
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| Posted by: Clayman at November 2, 2002, 8:40 pm | | Topic: Intercasino - rigged? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by kyyang:
Switched to MG casino in the meantime to make sure I still know how to play BJ and not lost my BS yet. Thank goodness the result is not as bad.
No problem, Kyyang. Just don't forget MG is a totally different game with a totally different BS. Played 360 hands there last night finishing up 11 units. Good luck.
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