| Posted by: FairBet at March 6, 2003, 3:41 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by slotski:
Joe, could you post some of the reasons you feel they have changed? i.e.- is it totally different mgmt than the past? do you personally know the people in charge? etc.etc.
Hi Slotski,
Plain and simple, I appreciate the effort and transformation I’ve watched over the past couple years. They’ve never asked that I treat them any differently, they’ve not only listened to suggestions but actually did the work to implement them, (And I can’t get that from hardly anyone.) They haven’t made excuses or been testy about scoring poorly even after doing “x” amount of what needed to be done. …Anyone big enough to accept my constant critiquing of their work and still VALUE what I have to say is a better person than most I come in contact with in this industry. (Sorry to say.)
Keep in mind, I consider at least one of the people behind IGM a friend….you know, the kind of relationship where they are having a child and you are truly happy / excite... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FairBet at March 6, 2003, 2:54 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso:
…the ONLY tests which carry any weight. The fact that The Mighty Mike and BMM have "certified" the iGM software is meaningless - unless those tests were carried out in a one hundred percent clandestine manner, ie. the company had no knowledge that a test was being carried out -
Understood.
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Joe, why are you so passionate about a company with such a damn shady track record? Why not concentrate on promoting operations that have been decent from the off? Why these people, who operated some of the most notoriously dishonest software in the business?
A couple things here. One, we really don’t promote IGM. They don’t hold any marketing positions at our site. Additionally, they currently don’t rate high enough to be easily found anywhere. (Only people who specifically search for them in our database are likely to find them.)
I can understand you seeing our defense of them as “promoting” them though..... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KX at March 6, 2003, 1:11 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso; Once again you are mixing up Clockmedia and IGM. Might be that you just don´t care. Your historical belief is as always the only thing that counts, not the current state of affairs.
My qualified guess is that you know NOTHING about what IGM is today. Still you are ery eager to paint them black. Who pays you?
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| Posted by: caruso at March 6, 2003, 12:50 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Exactly, Joe. I don't know if TG is investigating iGlobalMedia (they have bigger fish to fry), but those are the ONLY tests which carry any weight. The fact that The Mighty Mike and BMM have "certified" the iGM software is meaningless - unless those tests were carried out in a one hundred percent clandestine manner, ie. the company had no knowledge that a test was being carried out - as is the case with TG. Remember the Casino Bar re-test? 100% pass - from Mike's account! Second re-test, from ANOTHER account, guess what? Same gaffing.
Joe, why are you so passionate about a company with such a damn shady track record? Why not concentrate on promoting operations that have been decent from the off? Why these people, who operated some of the most notoriously dishonest software in the business?
I admit of course that finding decent operations to promote, in the current climate, might be a rather challeging task.
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| Posted by: slotski at March 6, 2003, 12:21 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Joe, could you post some of the reasons you feel they have changed? i.e.- is it totally different mgmt than the past? do you personally know the people in charge? etc.etc.
I know you wont roll over for a casino so i would like to hear more.
For the record, i have only played 1 IGM site and have no bias one way or the other regarding them.
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| Posted by: FairBet at March 6, 2003, 12:02 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by KX:
I would however really like to know more about their Java-games, if they are still rigged I would definitely not suggest you to recommend them until those games are removed or replaced. If they, on the other hand, are fair now, I see no reason not to recommend them.
Hi KX,
Well, they haven't yet made "Recommended" status, but they are certainly above the 2 star rating they started at. As far as the game fairness is concerned, this is a question all online casinos face...and unfortunately until there is a "trusted" independent company doing “player side” auditing, there will always be critics of everyone.
For instance, Iglobal’s RNG has already been certified by BMM (a company who works with both online and land based casinos.) But unfortunately, it seems many don’t accept this as enough proof. If / when something like what truegambler is putting together is completed (something that measures what actual ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: KX at March 6, 2003, 1:31 am | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Joe; I´m ery pleased to see someone having the decency to investigate the current situation rather than the past. It is extremely important to show the casinos out there that it is meaningful to change for the better.
I would however really like to know more about their Java-games, if they are still rigged I would definetely not suggest you to recommend them until those games are removed or replaced. If they, on the other hand, are fair now, I see no reason not to recommend them.
A "non-forgiveness" attitude rarely works in my opinion. Using HKG's logic we would sentence shoplifters to death sentences...
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| Posted by: FairBet at March 5, 2003, 9:54 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by HKGambler:
As I am reading your posts here & have been reading many others in the past, I understand your thoughts & personality. Your opinions are respected although somewhat differed.
...well, I appreciate the "respected" part.
When it comes to your assessment that I am somewhat "differed" (I'm assuming you mean "to be of unlike or opposite opinion.")
...I considered arguing this but then realized, in doing so, I would only prove you right. :-)
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Joe Plummer
www.fairbet.org
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| Posted by: FairBet at March 5, 2003, 8:56 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by HKGambler:
OK, Joe, I was using the Hitler analogy to discuss the logic behind your statement alone (not meaning you have no logic). I mean the rogues can do good things once in a while, and don't forget also that the present IGM has negative comments oiced by other members lately.
If you think this analogy irrelevant, then I talk about Company Law. A company (by its name) bears the same liability (or debt) to its debtors no matter how the owners & management have changed. Has IGM paid off its debts to previous players who were cheated? Of course, there's no such company law enforcible on the net, we know.
Therefore, when people say, the past is not important/irrelevant, I don't agree.
Well-stated HK. And all points well taken.
Just to be clear, I don't think the past is irrelevant. I just think that sometimes, if one uses it as the primary source of information, it can lead to inaccurate conclusions.
I believe peopl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HKGambler at March 5, 2003, 8:14 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
"Should Americans still consider the Japanese the enemy because they bombed Pearl Harbor?
Well, it depends.
For the true Christians, they should even love their enemies.
For those without ancestors ever lived in Pearl Harbour, fine, Japanese not enemies so far as the cheap-priced Toyotas can survive the winters.
For those whose grand-dads died, homes lost in the raid, ...., ask them.
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| Posted by: HKGambler at March 5, 2003, 8:00 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
OK, Joe, I was using the Hitler analogy to discuss the logic behind your statement alone (not meaning you have no logic). I mean the rogues can do good things once in a while, and don't forget also that the present IGM has negative comments oiced by other members lately.
If you think this analogy irrelevant, then I talk about Company Law. A company (by its name) bears the same liability (or debt) to its debtors no matter how the owners & management have changed. Has IGM paid off its debts to previous players who were cheated? Of course, there's no such company law enforcible on the net, we know.
Therefore, when people say, the past is not important/irrelevant, I don't agree.
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| Posted by: FairBet at March 5, 2003, 7:16 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
...a bit drastic HK, don't you think?
The only thing that is the same at Iglobal Media today is the name. The software, the management, the CSR's, the Ecash system...all of it is different.
And to use your "Hitler" analogy, I will go back to the same time period...
Should Americans still consider the Japanese the enemy because they bombed Pearl Harbor?
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Joe Plummer
www.fairbet.org
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| Posted by: caruso at March 5, 2003, 6:25 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
I think True Gambler will be releasing all stats as promised. Don't give up on them. It won't happen over night, but their given time frames seems to be being adhered to. Lot of work to do, I daresay.
Right, Joe - forget about the fact that they ripped thousands of players for thousands of dollars. Let's get some positive feedback going here; let's get them back on the road to recovery so they can rip a few thousand more players; let's promote these filth.
WTG.
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| Posted by: DrOakland at March 5, 2003, 12:54 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
My two cents...
I recently played Starluck and sister casinos AceClub, CasinoCounty, Planetluck for their 100% match bonus offers. I played blackjack and did well on all, winning extra money on three of them and losing a small amount of the bonus on the fourth (which was Starluck).
On each, I got paid off VERY rapidly back to my Neteller account.
DrO
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| Posted by: FairBet at March 5, 2003, 12:39 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks KX.
Man, I'll tell ya... I wish, once and for all this was an issue that could be resolved (on ALL sites.)
I was excited about truegambler.com developing the card analyzer, but it doesn't seem like there has been a lot of activity there...
If we (Fairbet) could team up with somebody who had the time and truly knew the math, we’d be willing to invest in development to get this done.
...or, if it were just a matter of refining the truegambler program, (if it needs a little more work) we would be happy to help finance that.
The bottom line is, after 6 years of Online Gambling, this is an issue that should no longer be an issue…by now we should have the technology to prove or disprove game fairness…
Anyone…suggestions?
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Joe Plummer www.fairbet.org
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| Posted by: KX at March 5, 2003, 11:46 am | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Fairbet; I´ve played their DL ersion plenty. I´m pretty sure the software is fair. I´ve played the Java-version ery little but with horrible results, I suspect that ersion might still be rigged.
The IGM casinos have the fastest payouts period. They also have good support in my opinion.
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| Posted by: FairBet at March 5, 2003, 11:25 am | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Well, I suppose I could have "re-written" all the posts in this thread to address a recently bumped "anti-Iglobal" thread from 3 years ago, but that just seems like too much work.
I'd be interested to know if anyone else has had any recent good / bad experiences with this group.
Also Sirius, have you played at any Iglobal sites in the past year and a half or so? If not, would you consider checking them out (if we foot the bill) and let us know your results?
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Joe Plummer
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| Posted by: FairBet at January 2, 2002, 2:50 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The Original Mary:
Joe, do you still think Falma was "just a happy player"?
Hi Mary,
I honestly don't know that I thought about the alidity of Falma… I was just addressing the posts I had read.
I know that I spoke with Vikrant at Iglobal (a month or so ago, when this thing started) and he said he had nothing to do with the post. Actually, he said that he/they intentionally stay away from the boards because if they don't reply to each response, it looks bad for them (and defending against a million man mosh is not so easy.)
...I will say this much, every time somebody brings up their name, it is not usually met with a warm response. I would like to think (if they were out trying to manipulate the publics perception of them,) they would try to come up with something that actually worked!
...sorry for the delay in responding…I have not been "hitting the boards" as much this past month.
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| Posted by: HKPlayer at December 28, 2001, 6:58 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Sorry guys. I think I typed the wrong casino name. I only played in PlanetLuck Casino and never play at StarLuck Casino; however, I think both of them are using the same software.
Well, they have different bonus policies apply on different bonus offers. You can aslo find out the bonus policy at the bottom of the promotion page.
I wonder why they restrict player from playing BlackJack games? It seems that the casino would never lose money in BlackJack.
Yes, it is my point of iew, these casino are the worst casino, and the software designer is a real idiot - why didn't he let the players to win 3 or 4 games in a row then lose 8 or more games later? Then they are still able to cheat our money, just a little bit slower, and players would be happier.
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| Posted by: HKPlayer at December 28, 2001, 8:53 am | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Hello everybody, I just want to share my experience in Starluck casino.
I played Starluck casino 3 times:
1) I deposited $1000 and received $330 bonus (approximately) then I started to play BlackJack. Base on my record, I played more than 100 games and I had never won 2 games in a row. On the other hand my record of losing steak was about 30-40 games. Well, I guess I'm not an idiot so I withdraw my deposit and went away.
2) I deposited $1000 again and received a few hundred dollars bonus. That time I only bet on barract. After a few hundred games I met the wagering requirement. So I withdraw everything and received a cheque around $100 from EZEcash.
3) I deposited and received their bonus again. I went back to barract since my experience on that game was not that bad. Guess what, I lost more than 20 games in a row to lose all my bonus at that time.
Plantluck is a great casino. It IMPROVES its software as fast as it can when it needs to do so.
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| Posted by: FairBet at November 17, 2001, 9:29 am | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Agreed. And honestly, I don't mind suspicion...Without it, it would be too easy for "crooks" to get their way.
It's when I see too much blind faith in anything (whether it is "For" or "Against") that I start to get worried!
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Joe Plummer
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at November 17, 2001, 8:03 am | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Joe -
I see we have a few things in common LOL. Trust me when I say I know the Iglobalmedia people - they are at nearly every show and always ask me to take another look at the software.
At the last show in Vegas, I actually went with Mike to the Iglobalmedia booth - where we both agreed we would do further testing - but obviously the Wiz will know the math better than I will.
Frankly, I agree with you - VB and his team are working real hard and I'm convinced that even if they DID have a hand in the past (which you say they didn't) they certainly have not seemed to be that type from the first day I met them.
Some of the others here will be a bit harder to convince - but outside of myself, the WinnerOnline team and OPA Mary, none of them have ever been at any of the shows that I can recall. And thus it is highly unlikely that they know more than we do.
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| Posted by: FairBet at November 17, 2001, 5:40 am | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
This exchange is kinda interesting.
Joe, for the record, Antoine is also a webmaster of a fairly high traffic site.
Antoine, although I have never met Joe, (or you for that matter), someone I have met who manages one of the largest groups of casinos speaks well of Joe - so that should serve as an endorsement.
Joe and Mary - I believe in second chances, but that depends on the severity of the problem and the manner in which it was handled.
Starluck/Iglobalmedia is not on my site yet - as I am still testing the download client - but I have not heard any claims of problems for quite some time now. I expect to be seeing them again in a couple of weeks in Dublin and/or London and I will ask to see the back end.
Then I will make up my mind.
And, BTW, if Falma IS a shill who started this thread, shame on you.
Hi Spearmaster,
For the record, I have been in touch with Mike from the wi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at November 16, 2001, 7:32 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
This exchange is kinda interesting.
Joe, for the record, Antoine is also a webmaster of a fairly high traffic site.
Antoine, although I have never met Joe, (or you for that matter), someone I have met who manages one of the largest groups of casinos speaks well of Joe - so that should serve as an endorsement.
Joe and Mary - I believe in second chances, but that depends on the severity of the problem and the manner in which it was handled.
Starluck/Iglobalmedia is not on my site yet - as I am still testing the download client - but I have not heard any claims of problems for quite some time now. I expect to be seeing them again in a couple of weeks in Dublin and/or London and I will ask to see the back end.
Then I will make up my mind.
And, BTW, if Falma IS a shill who started this thread, shame on you.
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Spearmaster
Got2Bet - Online Gambling News and Information
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| Posted by: FairBet at November 16, 2001, 1:51 pm | | Topic: www.starluckcasino.com = good payouts with patience! Forum: Winner Online |
Fair enough Mary.
I don't suspect for a second that you are making it up. I guess that is the difference between what you've posted and much of the other things I've read. I believe your PERSONAL account.
As far as not hitting a number in roulette, I used to keep detailed logs (way back when, I actually thought I was going to "earn money" gambling...HA! :-)
Anyway, I once saw a number go 150 spins without coming up. That was at a microgaming site. (The old software...talking 98ish)
What I'd like to do is see if I can get the wizard of odds in on this. I've already sent an Email. I'm not an expert, so I can't say “for sure” but I’d bet they are among the most qualified regarding the "math" of all this stuff.
In the end, it doesn't matter too much, because Starluck still has not scored well enough to get a spot on our site, but I would ery much LIKE TO KNOW if in fact their game odds (as they are and have been over the past year or so) are u... | | Read Entire Entry |
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