| Posted by: Mr J at April 1, 2003, 10:37 pm | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
Magnate, I do understand where you're coming from. The results were ery poor, and you should be upset that you lost both deposits so quick.
Donny, there's no reason to be hostile. I didn't try to offend you, or mean any disrespect by what I said.
Like HC and Z said, you are not changing your return by changing your bet size. You have the same chance of winning each hand no matter how large you bet. All you are doing is arying the size of risk.
I didn't say the software is random. It is not. It will never be, since it is
1) man made
2) programmed to give a certain payout (like a slot machine).
I do believe the software is likely fair though.
As to results balancing out, that is true (assuming no deviations). However, this is longterm, and a session is hardly longterm.
That said, in most cases, a long session will provide roughly even results.
You talk about being at a loss of 70 hands, and claiming never to have a winning trend of sim... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zrapture at March 31, 2003, 2:20 pm | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
HC is correct. Changing your bet size and patterns has no effect on the return overall. Flatbetting does not increase your return, it just cuts down the short term ariance in your bankroll.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at March 31, 2003, 10:26 am | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
Donny I have to disagree with you here...
You won't loose any edge by arying your bet size. Suppose you lost some money then reduce your bet size, your chance of bouncing back is smaller but your chance of loosing even more is also reduced.
All betting systems are equal, there is nothing special about flat betting.
Betting on streak (increase bet after winning etc) will generate more small looses and a big win occasionally.
Betting bigger after loosing will generate more small wins and sometimes a huge loose.
Flat betting is in between. Why so many people choose flat betting? I think they just want to bet the smallest amount possible to absorb the ariance. It's mighty boring for sure.
The other way I can think of is to have a bigger bankroll.
If you want to prove the software is rigged, I'd suggest you to find the rare events in your playlog.
Hope this help.
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part-time player, full time researcher
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| Posted by: magnate at March 31, 2003, 10:14 am | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
Well I did try the last $100 bonus of Sun Place. It continued its winning ways winning over 70 percent of the hands and got more BJ while I got zero. Also won every single time I increased a wager.
I still contend this casino did not give me randomn game. But then I would say that as they won 80 percent and got 10 to one BJ and doubles and won every single increased wager I made. I asked for the logs 3 times and was told they would be sent but never did receive them. Not that it really matters as not enough to PROVE anything. Like CS said- Different casinos have different "Factors"
I also got tired of the other casino I mentioned in the previous post and cashed in. At least they did let me win a few of the larger wagers.
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| Posted by: DonnyBrasco at March 31, 2003, 9:55 am | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
To Mr J...I was flatbetting 5$, and I did not think to lower my bet. Being the profession advantaged player you boast that you are, you would know that if I deviate betting, I am actually losing some of my advantage from the bonus. If I lower my bet and start winning then my hands won will be skewed because instead of winning 5$ I'd be winning 2$ thus the balancing which takes place would not happen it would be lessened due to winning smaller amounts. Being also that you beleive the software to be far and random, then eventually I should balance out naturally. Flat betting is the only way to guarentee a return of .4955% over time, being that the software is fair. Being such an authority on gambling, oh I mean gaming in your case you would know this.
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| Posted by: magnate at March 30, 2003, 3:08 pm | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
*****Mr J
Online, I've never gone down more than 40 units without bouncing back. Online is ery streaky, and you will have winning streaks reguarly (as well as losers). ****
How nice for you. I sure have not had such fortune esp with the BJ, which is the game i usually play.
Currently, with another Playtech software, that requires 25X (P+B) OUCH!! all seemed fine until I was about 60% there. Then it all changed.
Over the last 400 hands am now net loss of 73 hands!!!!! I can understand a net loss of 20 or 30 per 400 but this is getting unsettling.
The reverse is something I have never experienced with any online gaming.
I am not saying it is all a rigged game but the so called randomness is doubtful.
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| Posted by: Mr J at March 29, 2003, 8:34 am | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
To Donny,
You're saying you lost $325 flat betting over $1200 action? Assuming no DDs SPs thats 240 bets. Losing $325 is 65 units.
So you lost 65 units in 240 hands....
I'd say there was something wrong there. Unless you're just a ictim of EXTREME standard deviation.
Did you actually check the numbers? Did you really flat bet such low amounts? I've never busted BHing. You didn't think to lower your bet? after you lose 4 or 5 in a row online, it's normally an indication of a losing trend.
Magnate: how much were you betting?
BTW, losing most of 35 hands happens far more reguarly than losing 65 more than you won out of about 240.
Most out of 35 is just a longish losing trend.
I've experienced times the dealer get a form of 21 5,6, even 7 times in a row. I've experienced alot of losing streaks over 10. I've experienced losing 25/30 hands quite a bit. I've experienced losing 16/17 doubles (all of 10s&11s, only one became a total over 16, and ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: kavaman at March 28, 2003, 4:38 am | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
Their withdrawals take forever and a day, thats true. My experience with randomness of the software has been good though.
I won from every casino in mainstreet egas group...
-kavaman
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| Posted by: zrapture at March 27, 2003, 8:08 pm | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
Won big at Sun Palace when I played there on VP. Will not return as they took about one month to pay my winnings to Neteller.
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| Posted by: DonnyBrasco at March 27, 2003, 7:02 pm | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
Yesterday I had a similar experience at another Main Street Casino group Casino, Twin Aces. I was flabetting 5$ and had to deposit 225$ in order to meet the requirements to get the bonus with same terms as sun palace, 8 times first deposit. It almost made me sick to my stomach, and when I got the bonus it was depleted shortly after. I lost 325$ flat betting 5$ playing basic strategy in 1200$ in wagering. Not impossible, but gut wrenching just the same, the amount of BJ's they pulled, and the lack thereof BJ's for me was absurd. Perhaps Main Street paid out to much earlier in the month and are making up for it now. Anyways it was a disturbing online gaming situation either way.
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| Posted by: magnate at March 27, 2003, 5:38 pm | | Topic: Sun Palace Forum: Winner Online |
Supposedly need 8X deposit to get bonus but dont think I ever had a chance of getting close.
Just had the worst starting series of hands EVER except for a similair experience with Casinobar.
Opened an initial account and lost the deposit of $100 in 22 hands
Redeposited $100 and lost it in 13 hands
My results Only 35 hands played over 2 deposits
House 24 Me 7 and Push 4. Variance is fine but this was more than just ariance.
Splits/doubled House 2 Me zero
Doubles House 5 Me zero
Blackjacks House 8 Me 1 and 1 push (so actually house had 9!!)
So house won almost 80 percent of win/loss and almost 70 percent of all. House had a BJ every 4 or less hands. House additionally had doubled/split won about every 5.
So about 50 percent of all hands house won with BJ or doubled/splits.
They did make an exception and gave me the bonus as said they never saw those kind of results either but now I dont think I have a ghost of a chance get... | | Read Entire Entry |
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