| Posted by: bonuslover at April 6, 2003, 6:32 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Mr J
Changin equipment?
You mean gettin a new computer or formatting so you can play the same casino again and again OR do you mean you gettin' new IDs? If you are refering to the latter please give me some tips.
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| Posted by: Mr J at April 6, 2003, 5:40 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
If you mean my profit online, it all comes from bonuses & promos.
I don't get VIP offers, I just don't revisit casinos (under the same account anyway).
Monthlies are profitable with 3-5 accounts.
I normally stick to signups. I don't really play monthlies ery much.
Some players do get quite a bit off special promos, re-ups whatever. I just find it more profitable to change equipment and keeping going for the signups.
If you mean overall, I make alot more off other forms of advantage play.
I'm really only BHing for the moment anyway. Taking a break from my other AP incomes. I don't see myself BHing past september-october (that's about when I'll start SBing with a 6 figure BR
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| Posted by: kyyang at April 5, 2003, 3:18 pm | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Mr J
From your post, it sounds like your profit comes mainly from bonuses and promotions.
While new introductory bonuses carry $100-200, monthly bonuses are usually much more meager like $20-$40. I am not sure its worthwhile?
Or are there special bonuses and promotions for VIP players?
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| Posted by: Mr J at April 3, 2003, 7:38 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
I bet minimum. After losing streaks normally come winning streaks (online, not real-life). I take advantage of the predictibility of these.
I just bet the best way possible to maximise my chance of alive when it comes time to cash out.
For a 100/100 deal, I'll bet minimum (normally 1-2), and my max bet will be about 5-6, not inc double plays).
Something like a 1000/200, I'll bet $5 min and about $20 max.
When I hit those predictable winning streaks and up my bet, I'll hold it until I get a bit over where I was, drop that back a bit (streaks are so long online), and drop to minimum when the tide turns.
I don't distinguish between bonus and deposit when figuring units. I don't bet more when I'm ahead.
Betting more because you're losing will wipe you out most of the time. Betting more because you're ahead, and not risking your own money, isn't wise either. A negative fluctuation happens reguarly after positive ones. Optimum bet is minimum (assuming fini... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: kyyang at April 3, 2003, 6:46 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Clayman,
Good "sermon" there regarding the BR & wager. I didn't say that "one-fifteenth of your BR should be your minimum bet". I said it should be the MAXIMUM bet. But I was usually use a BR of 25x to 30x (as in this case of Riverbelle).
However, its interesting that you treat the bonus as your "profit". For me, I frequently play without the bonus. Will you bet the same way when playing without bonus? Or you won't play without bonuses?
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| Posted by: Clayman at April 3, 2003, 5:40 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by kyyang:
Its been said that the recommended the bank roll be at least 15x that bet for flat betting in BJ. How much will you flat bet for a bankroll of $250?
Hi kyyang - glad to see you back
Where has it been said that one-fifteenth of your BR should be your minimum bet? Way too high at 6.66%. Lose 2 doubles and there goes one-fourth of BR and time to re-size your bet s BR again. I'd rather slice my wrists with a dull butter knife.
I really like MR J's conservatism. Sounds like we play ery similarly. I wouldn't even worry about land-based BR's since, there, WR don't exist and you have "session" BR's, "trip" BR's and your total BR that you are willing to commit to gambling.
Before I said I like to start at 1% or less of BR. I should add I also like to have 40 units (I'll go down to 20 if I have to) in the bonus amount. After all, it is the bonus that is your profit. In a way you could look at the bonus amount AS your BR since... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mr J at April 2, 2003, 11:04 pm | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Some good points were raised.
GC with 100/250, and when riverbelle had 50/200, they're simply the the best you can get. Especially since the WR were decent (not small, but easily obtainable with patience).
People in general just overbet, whether online or on land. I've gone down at least 20 units in nearly every session I've had, and normally have at least 50 units in the bank. I'll bet minimum until and through a losing trend, and up it a bit when I start winning. That's pretty much why I finish every session with at least a 100% profit (normally 2-4 times the deposit).
Bonuslover, I agree. Busting out with a $250 bank betting $2 is something to be p!$$ed at. Still, I've seen many people complain and cry that the SW is rigged when an unusual result comes along. We've all had seemingly impossible streaks. In most cases, it's just bad luck, not rigged software. You take the risk that a streak will come along every time you place a bet.
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| Posted by: kyyang at April 2, 2003, 6:24 pm | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Clayman,
Its been said that the recommended the bank roll be at least 15x that bet for flat betting in BJ. How much will you flat bet for a bankroll of $250?
I think Mr J flat bet $4 for the same promo. That would make it 60+ times the bet. That means that the player needs $1000 to play at land casinos where the table minimum is $15.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at April 2, 2003, 7:53 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
I was also thinking about that myself the other day. Maybe a 30% with 10x(D+B) WR? So how did you do in March? I have a positive number in my book but it is relatively tiny compared to Feb's. I believe my problem was overbetting... was impatient as my shoulders' hurting. I really need a rest.
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| Posted by: Clayman at April 2, 2003, 7:43 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover:
You are a natural born bonus hunter.
Rare praise from the master himself. I am humbled.
Maybe we can get Woody Harrelson to star in "Natural Born Bonus Hunter".
Takes one to know one!
If we opened an on-line casino what would our initial-user bonus offer be?
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| Posted by: bonuslover at April 2, 2003, 7:31 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Guess I still got a lot to learn from you about bonus abusing, Clayman. You not only got the IQ, but also got the EQ. You are a natural born bonus hunter. Can you sign me an autograph?
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| Posted by: Clayman at April 2, 2003, 5:25 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover:
simply ask youself, "When was the last time I won 5 in a row?" and, "When was the last time I lost 10 in a row?"
To the first, this morning, twice. All in 150 hands.
To the second, mid February, in a session yielding a $712 profit. In this same session I also lost 11 in a row in a separate streak.
If you think losing 10 in a row means you will lose for the session, you are betting too much.
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| Posted by: Clayman at April 2, 2003, 5:11 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mr J:
$200 off $50 and for a WR of $3750, well it DOES NOT get ANY better than that.
It is truly amazing some would consider $3750 in WR "very tough", isn't it?
The only consideration is whether this deal is "too good be true". And, in this case, it's not. I can't imagine they would expect to make money on it - it's the price of future customer loyalty. And a hefty one at that.
I just wonder what these people would consider a good deal to be? If you find the "Holy Grail" of deals, let us know.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at April 1, 2003, 10:55 pm | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
I think most people in here are not whiners. Just that some losses are more ridiculous than others. If you think winning 10 hands in a row is a streak that could happen to either dealer and player, simply ask youself, "When was the last time I won 5 in a row?" and, "When was the last time I lost 10 in a row?" Just keep in mind that casinos won't survive long simply giving out free moneys. You are supposed to lose when you have in bonus in hands, but when you are flatbetting $2 and you bust the $250 bankroll in $2000 action, either the Wizard of Odds tricked you with his best strategy tables OR the software is rigged.
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| Posted by: Mr J at April 1, 2003, 10:47 pm | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Ah finally someone who won't whine, thank you Tseramed.
They think that they should win everytime, and when they don't then the SW is rigged. It's likely they're overbetting, and ictims of fluctuations, and arience.
$200 off $50 and for a WR of $3750, well it DOES NOT get ANY better than that.
Tse, I also read a post awhile ago, basically stating that BHers hate the idea of a losing session, and CCs would laugh at that. So true.
They should be happy that the casino is giving them a great chance of leaving ahead.
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| Posted by: Tseramed at March 30, 2003, 8:31 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
First of all, if you play 10s on a 200 Bonus you risk to go to zero, 5s is more reasonable if you wanna get the bonus home.
2nd, why do you people cry rigged every time, is it also rigged when you win?
I know i had winning streaks often that looked like rigged, why cant the dealer have that?
3rd, 3750 wager for a 50/200 bonus is a GREAT offer, i dont know what you guys want - bonus hunting and complaing while making easy money in the end, whiners...
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| Posted by: Mr J at March 29, 2003, 8:59 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Losing trends are what's important, not individual streaks. (I'm an advantage player, not a progressionist
That said, I've lost a worst of 16 or 17 in a row (out hundreds of thousands of hands). I've lost over 10 quite a bit. I lose between 5-8 at least once every session.
My worst trend (%wise of WvsL) was 71 losses against 14 wins (DDs and SPs were counted as 2 seperate rounds). That had 2 losing streaks of 10 or greater. Everything went wrong there. Didn't win a single DD or SP. No BJs. Mainly stiff hands, but it happens. I'm just glad this experience happened on a sim
Most people will never experience anything even remotely close to those results. They would've lost all their money well before this stage.
I do play at least 10-20 hours a week in a casino (at about 70-200 hands/hr), and about 15-20 hrs online (at about 4-500 hands/hr). I've also put in a hundred or 2 hrs in sims. I'd say I play maybe 10000+ hands/week (gambling is my income).
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| Posted by: raje at March 27, 2003, 11:05 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
"If I play long enough (live long enough), I'll eventually experience losing 100 hands in a row."
Mr. J,
Until recently, I was a streak buff due to my affinity to martingale's.
i must say that for the life of me (and my friends') i've never had a losing/Red/Black/Player/Banker streak of more than 13.(around 100,000 hands)
more than 9 I find it a rarity.
I'd like to know your experience?
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| Posted by: Mr J at March 27, 2003, 9:13 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Yes, you're right (with the sample size), that it just seems ery unrealistc. However, just because something only happens 1/1000 times, doesn't mean it won't happen straight away.
I've played over 1000 hands just during today. In a week I'll play 1000's more (online, sims and land). So I guess it's easy for me to accept extreme 'luck'.
Today, I had gone down roughly $60 worth of $2 bets, and when upped to $4 went down another $50. That's down over 40 units. All with say 50 hands (it was a long losing trend). If I wasn't experienced I'd say the game was rigged, however I bounced back (RNG seem to be predictable for supposedly random results).
RNG are also programmed to pay out a certain %, so I think the streaks balance each other out (I experience this a few times every session). Basically, bet small (say 50+ units) and it'd take a pretty bad run to bust you.
I definately wouldn't bet $10 with a $250 BR. But then again I'm conservative and like to win every session.
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| Posted by: kyyang at March 27, 2003, 3:53 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Mr J
Its a good analysis you have there. As you said, it is possible to have extreme streaks in BJ. However, with a truely random game, it becomes a question of probability. It is possible that you have a losing streak of 100 or even 1000 games in a row, but it is just not probable with a real fair game.
I am not implying that my game is biased. The sample size is too small.
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| Posted by: Mr J at March 27, 2003, 12:17 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
BTW, I've flat bet $4 starting at $350, and within 1-1.5 hours I was down to $180. I then upped my bet to $8 and got back to even.
You lost 25 units (bets), I was down roughly 40. Pretty much every time I've played online at an MG casino, I've reached -20 units (at least). However due to the 'streakiness' of MGs BJ, I recover.
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| Posted by: Mr J at March 27, 2003, 12:13 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
I've always cashed out 100% of the bonus (my returns are over 100%). Just quit on a high (as long as you have bet small, your fluctuation won't be great, means you win roughly 100% most of the time, instead of small losses/wins and large wins).
About the dealer getting 21 total of 43 times, you have to remember that the dealer averages a 18.5 total. That means you will probally lose unless you get 19,20, or 21 (or the dealer has a 3-6). Also, the dealer gets more high totals than you, because he is forced to hit stiff totals. You also bust more because you play your hand first.
I have experienced things in BJ most would think are impossible. The more hands you play, the stranger and wilder your experiences are. My last session, I go 2 BJs in about 500 hands. Dealer managed to push both of those.
Another time I lost about 19 out of 20 doubles. Another, dealer got 21 5,6+ times in a row. Another I busted half my hands etc.
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| Posted by: whitteyford at March 26, 2003, 9:44 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Played this promo, cashed out at 650, flat betting 10$, paid to neteller in 3 days. Quality experience. MG just seems to pick its winners and losers, either you win big or bust out in a flash, I was just a lucky one I guess.
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| Posted by: kyyang at March 26, 2003, 4:30 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Yes, its for new players only.
hhcfreebie :
>I waged 4363 and the overall payout is only >93.9% and my bet size was 2-4. I still have >money left when I finished WR but I was so >pissed and keep playing until I lost them all.
well, I wagered $3000 and lost $250. That gives a return of 91.6%. Someone commented previously that you lose 10 cents per dollar at Riverbelle. Though mine was not as bad but it sure came pretty close.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at March 26, 2003, 1:45 am | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
$3750 WR is pretty low for $200 bonus. You can easily earn a profit for 95% or more return.
I myself tried it and lost them all. I waged 4363 and the overall payout is only 93.9% and my bet size was 2-4. I still have money left when I finished WR but I was so pissed and keep playing until I lost them all. That really teached me a lesson.
My result was pretty bad but it's still within normal range IMO.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at March 25, 2003, 10:36 pm | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Welcome back kyyang!
$3750 in WR is really ery tough and I really understand what you went through. (I've been there too). However, I don't think the take down mode you experienced is trademarked to Riverbelle. I think every MG has it.
Is the bonus offer open to new players only?
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| Posted by: kyyang at March 25, 2003, 10:29 pm | | Topic: $200 bonus at Riverbelle Forum: Winner Online |
Hey, Bonuslover (and other bonus lovers)
Received a promotional email from Riverbelle. $50 deposit and $200 bonus! 15X WR for deposit+bonus. ($3750 in all)
Tried it but alas good things do not last. Riverbelle (MG) sucked the juice out of my pocket faster than any acuum cleaner I know. With $250 at flat bet of $10 a game, the whole thing was over in an hour!
I heard someone had good luck of cashing out $220 at the end of the day. Anyone else has good news?
For those interested, I will have the breakdown. Funny that someone posted on the other thread that the dealer always beats the players decent hand. With about 300 games, the dealer has 21 total of 43 times.
Still trying to capture the rest of the game data through playcheck.
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