| Posted by: hhcfreebie at April 17, 2003, 2:43 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by slycin56:
Gamblinboi, if Portofino felt you didn't deserve the bonus for whatever reason, but still paid you the winnings you earned with that bonus, then I feel that was fair. So what if they took back the free money they had given you? They could have taken all of it. In all areas of life, when "things" are *given* with terms and conditions, it is always the giver's legal right to rescind what was given when they feel the T&C's have not been met. Just because they give you a bonus, does not make it *your* money. "He who has the gold, gets to make the rules."
Totally wrong.
Legally when you give out something to anyone, there is NO way whatsoever to get them back unless you have other conditions attached to the gift. In the casino's case, they have T&C so they can oid my winning and bonus ONLY if I didn't meet their T&C. Otherwise the bonus and winning is legally mine and they MUST pay.
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| Posted by: caruso at April 17, 2003, 2:34 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Cindy, this isn't an argument I want to continue; I've seen them before here, between you and others, and I know how they end up, ie. nothing achieved.
You have your opinion, as a reasonably experienced portal owner.
I have mine, as a reasonably experienced player.
People can decide for themselves the casinos they give their business to.
I advocate not giving business to POC/Club Player because they reserve the right to pay you or screw you, depending on which side of bed they get out of in the morning (read their T & C for clarification on that one), added to a ery disagreeable experience with Club Player that I don't want to re-hash here. They're just not worth the trouble.
I don't advocate Hampton because they oided a new player bonus after the fact, having initially oided my winnings as well; Croupier tells me I eventually received my winnings because I had a grumble on this board. Not the way to do business.
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| Posted by: RainFall at April 17, 2003, 2:34 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Bryan (The Meister) Is a crony/stooge.
He supports any casino that's in his pockets that's not blatantly evil.
His newest acquisition "supervegas" has screwed over TONS of players. They still owe me 500.00.
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| Posted by: Bethug at April 17, 2003, 2:26 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
You know slyncin56 , you my girl but some of those casino pull tricks
ohdreampop wrote
"Update: For the record, I have not yet been paid (winnings OR deposit). I'm the friend that gamblinboi mentioned in the other RTG post and my situation with this casino is downright unbelieveable. I'm giving POC until Monday to straighten this out... and if that does not happen, I will disclose all info regarding this theft and everything stated to me by their management.
Hopefully by Monday I'll be able to say that they made things right."
ohdreampop, is super honest, she can hol my check book anytime, please help her
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at April 17, 2003, 2:07 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
slycin, your stance that the casino can rescind/void any winnings whenever they feel like it EVEN IF the player has met all the T&C is crazy. You're basically giving casinos a carte blanche to BAIT AND SWITCH players whenever they want. you said "when they feel the T&C have not been met" - I met all their T&C. They did not say that I hadn't met a T&C, they basically made up this negative database business after the fact. Watcha think about THAT?
You say that when a person GIVES someone something, they have a legal right to rescind it? Does that extend to if a player GIVES the casino a deposit, the player has the right to rescind it if they FEEL like it? that's a Chargeback , and is DEFINATELY not allowed from a player, why should the casinos be given any more leeway?
As for what happend with crown - the coupon was posted on a message board, I don't even remember which one now. The poster didn't mention that it was for new users -- and the coupon worked, so I f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: slycin56 at April 17, 2003, 1:50 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Caruso, without our knowing the whole story behind what happened with that Hampton situation, I'm not buying into that. I have had no problems and no complaints from any of my players about either of these casinos, and I have quite a few now. I've also never had any complaints about Palace of Chance.
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| Posted by: slycin56 at April 17, 2003, 1:46 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Gamblinboi, if Portofino felt you didn't deserve the bonus for whatever reason, but still paid you the winnings you earned with that bonus, then I feel that was fair. So what if they took back the free money they had given you? They could have taken all of it. In all areas of life, when "things" are *given* with terms and conditions, it is always the giver's legal right to rescind what was given when they feel the T&C's have not been met. Just because they give you a bonus, does not make it *your* money. "He who has the gold, gets to make the rules."
Crown Vegas? You used a coupon for new players only?? Don't those usually say that on the T&C's somewhere? I can't believe, with as much online gambling as you say you do, that you didn't have some inkling that it was for new players only, but decided to take your chances?
So now you're going to lump these two casinos into the same group as Windows and Virtual? Even the Meister loves Crown Vegas.
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| Posted by: caruso at April 17, 2003, 1:33 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Regarding the above mentioned list of "good" RTGs:-
<U>Palace Of Chance</U> (Club Player): bottom of the muck heap sh*t hole. Stay away.
<U>Hampton</U>: sister to formerly-considered reputable Portofino, but same old story - retroactive bonus removal, excuses invented after the fact, problem partially rectified after forum bitching. I wouldn't go back; players must make their own choices.
Cindy - no offence intended; you did the right thing with Angelciti; players still need to know about some of these other places, though.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at April 17, 2003, 12:51 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
croupier, yep that's exactly it. like I said in my post, if you meet the requirements for a bonus, it's yours - no ifs ands or buts. If a Casino doesn't want you to get bonuses, they shouldn't offer you them (and then give you them) in the first place. Once you risk your funds and meet the T&C - that cash is yours.
Anything else would lead to (and has lead to) the situation I described in my post - if you lose, it's no problem. If you win, they yank the bonus. Win/Win for the casino, lose/lose for the player. take a look at the Piggs Peak thread. Think they'd have given him his $30 back if the player had lost? HAH!
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at April 17, 2003, 12:37 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
croupier, it was half fixed. they partially paid my winnings. I met (& exceeded) the requirements for their bonus fair and square, and they retroactively yanked it. imo, that's theft and pretty much the same thing as a chargeback (we'll see if we can win his money, and if we can't, we'll just yank back our 'incentive'). So no, I don't consider the situation 'rectified'.
and slycin, you have to acknowledge that you, as an affiliate and promoter, will get treated differently than from a regular player. how many casinos have done this to me? well, let's see.. i've played at quite a few and here are the ones that it's happened to me:
portofino (situation as described above)
crown egas (their coupon turned out to be for new players only, even though the system accepted it. there was some miscommunication there)
annnnnnnnnd... no where else. I've had issues with Fortune Lounge (cuz their security department was knackers, and look, they continue to impress!), had issues with ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: croupier at April 17, 2003, 11:43 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
I agree, a message board is the last place that a dispute should be handled. But I thought this problem had been sorted out, and from Gamblinboi's last post it appears it hasn't.
Casino staff are only human and can make mistakes, it's how the management handle it once the dispute has been escalated that is the real test of character.
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| Posted by: whitteyford at April 17, 2003, 11:37 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
The problem is, why do you need a thread to rectify situations with casinos? It would seem that in a olume basis, RTG has many more threads pertaining to cash in problems then any other casino. Granted problems do occur with other software providers, but these problems because rare, are placed under microscopes and recieve maximum attention, but with avenues to down in order to recieve help and solve problems quickly. Because of the frequency of problems with RTG's, no one really cares as it seems commonplace, and if people look for help it is scarce as no one wants to deal with the slow and often unreachable customer support at these casinos. I myself had problems with Fortune Lounge recently, went to the casinomeister and the problem was resolved in a matter of hours. I have had an issue with NetClub casino, Windows casino and Virtual casino, looked for help as these problems are from about 6 months ago and no one has been able to provide me with answers or a solution to the problems. This is the prob... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: croupier at April 17, 2003, 11:11 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Gamblinboi: wasn't your problem with Portofino fixed after this thread?
http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006184.html
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| Posted by: slycin56 at April 17, 2003, 10:59 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Gamblinboi, I don't mean to infer anything here, but don't I see you saying this about a lot of casinos? If someone has the same problem at several different casinos, usually something's going on that's not being disclosed here on the board.
I've played the bonuses, won, and cashed out at all of the casinos you just mentioned without having any problems. In fact, I hit 2 $1 Royals at Hampton in the last 2 days - not a prob at all cashing out. You can see them here - www.VideoPokerJunkie.com/reviewed_casinos1.htm
(Edited to get that link to work)
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at April 17, 2003, 10:52 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
slycin i'm gonna have to argue with you about some of those "Good RTGs"
Hampton Portofino had a nice win/win (for the casino) scam going. They gave me a bonus at Portofino as an incentive to play. I went and played (wasn't no risk, $5-10 Pontoon and $0.50 VP as you know can whipe you out pretty quick if you're not lucky) and managed to make a nice win. When it came time to cash out, all of a sudden I was on a negative database and they oided my play.
Palace of Chance is doing something similiar to a friend of mine (who posts on here but hasn't brought this up yet). They offered a match bonus for another forum's members, and when she won, she was called a "Bonus abuser" and now they are oiding her winnings - and she hasn't received her deposit back (support has pretty much made it clear that this won't even happen).
These are two recent and clear events that indicate that these casinos like the win/win (for the casino) situation that coupons present. Soon a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bethug at April 17, 2003, 10:44 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Slycin56, if i sign up thru your site and play at any of those rtg casinos, and they dont pay me , will u give me my money back, if u can gurantee me that, i will play
Good RTG's
Nostalgia Group
Sky Breezes
Sky Catalonia
INetBet
Sci-Fi(what)
Portofino
Hampton
Crown Vegas
Sunset Palace
Palace of Chance (what)
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| Posted by: slycin56 at April 17, 2003, 10:19 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
I would like to point out that although the Meister won't come over here and post, he is *NOT* condemning <u>all</u> RTG's. He and the rest of the GPWA members have had a thorough discussion of this at our board.
I agree with most of his rogue list, if not all of it, but that still leaves several RTG casinos that have worked ery hard to prove themselves as dependable. Please stop trying to destroy their business.
And KX - where's your sig link? You keep talking about who you promote and who you don't, and I'd sure like to see for myself.
<u>Good RTG's</u>
Nostalgia Group
Sky Breezes
Sky Catalonia
INetBet
Sci-Fi
Portofino
Hampton
Crown Vegas
Sunset Palace
Palace of Chance
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Video Poker Junkie.com
GamblingGirl.com
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| Posted by: Jetset at April 16, 2003, 11:52 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Check out the Casinomeister's principled stand on RTG and more recently Amateur Sleuth's "Open Letter to Michael Staw" at Joker's Wild on this MB.
If more players exerted more pressure on RTG to see the error of their ways in allowing bad licensees to run riot they might one day mend their mistaken ways.
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| Posted by: KX at April 16, 2003, 1:23 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
monitor13; I am happy to see there are others sharing my iews and believes. I am ery surprised by the fact that several posters here dislikes reading about true experiences. To me that is what this forum is all about.
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| Posted by: monitor13 at April 14, 2003, 6:10 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Nice to here KX be the oice of reason here. I don't promote casinos in anyway as I have no affliations as simply a player.
I only posted my honest experiences I had with SCI-FI. And what I said was I only posted them because of numerous payouts and fair treatment to me. I made no claims or tried to tell anyone they should or shouldn't play anywhere.
I also post forums with bad experiences when those occur (which I may be wokring on one of those right now if I don't stop getting jerked around and get paid soon)and I appreciate those that do the same so i have some idea where I should and shouldn't play.
Thanks again for you opinions and input and good luck.
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| Posted by: caruso at April 13, 2003, 11:34 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Cindy deserves credit for responding immediately and oluntarily to the Angelciti situation.
Admittedly, that one was pretty clear-cut.
The affiliation with some of the more (ahem) questionable units (Palace Of Chance, Goldencomps) has its advantages insofar as she will be available for mediation.
That said, if mediation fails for ANY case, the webmaster should have the decency to end the affiliate relationship.
A curiosity on my part: players, it seems, remain unpaid by Sci-Fi from disputes way back; Cindy has offered to mediate on their behalf; she has, to date, received no requests for mediation; yet players STILL claim to be unpaid.
Players with unresolved disputes at Goldencomps / Five Roses / Onluck or Palace Of Chance / Club Player (or Sci Fi, come to that) should certainly take advantage of her mediation capacity, or that of the GPA, who offer a paid collection service, and who are affiliated with all the same casinos.
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| Posted by: KX at April 13, 2003, 9:13 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
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KX is honest this time, although I don't know if he now admits he was wrong or is guilty of his assertions in past posts taking the same stance & standard as slycin towards incessantly promoting other proven rogues.
Glad to see you change, KX. Keep it up.
Honest this time? I am always honest. That's what you and others dislike. I've said I've been paid in the past by Prism. That is the truth and that is naturally the information I bring forward. I have NEVER promoted Prism though, I've only truthfully said I've been paid. Now I'm having problems with them though.
I NEVER promote rogues. Once again you mix up the past with the present. I am glad to promote GOOD casinos which used to be bad. That's what you can not accept. Your memory seems ery short though since you accept a lot of casinos with even dirtier pasts, just because their misdoings where even further back in history.
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| Posted by: KX at April 13, 2003, 9:08 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
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Every casino, whether it's RTG, Microgaming, Playtech, OddsOn, Crypto - it doesn't matter - is capable of turning in a moment, and has. Microgaming is the only software provider that has systems in place for casino failure.
Crypto also has systems in place when a casino fails since their payment system is totally centralized. There is no difference from what casino you withdraw. Dukes is the latest example of this...
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All portal owners can do is to stay on top of the current situations and adjust their positions accordingly.
Correct. Obviously you are not doing it however.
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I can state with absolute certainty that I'm sending my customers to reputable casinos
With absolute certainty?? Omg. Five Roses?? Sci Fi??
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| Posted by: Dr_Bonus_Love at April 12, 2003, 10:08 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Webjunkie wrote:
Give RTG some Credit
RTG does not deserve any credit; the casinos that use RTG software are quickly becoming the worst of the worst, and RTG does ery little about the problem. Don't blame us, blame the real culprits.
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| Posted by: joeyl at April 12, 2003, 5:41 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
It's not enough when people say the software is the best on the net.
Oh no.
Just keep pumping whoever y'all are.
It won't wash.
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| Posted by: monitor13 at April 12, 2003, 2:14 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
I think one of the things that helped guide me as a beginner was watch out for the outslandish bonuses like Virtual that often offer 300 & 400% bonuses. The play seems suspect on these and though I won and collected on my orginal isit played several times afterward and never hit anything and notice what I felt were irregularities in the play. (If it sounds too good....
I have now played at 139 on-line casinos and like RTG software (and now the few Playtechs that offer 5 and 10 cent mult-line games). I am I low roller type and RTG software has tons of 5 cent ideo poker games so I love it. Many casinos which I have won off the no deposit bonuses I have come back to and deposited in and learned my lesson. (Virtual).
Others I have had good experience with (Sci-Fi) which is basically the only RTG I play though Inetbet is one I have played due to it's excellent reputation (but I have never had any luck there). I understand people had problems with Sci-Fi in the past and I don't blame yo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hhcfreebie at April 11, 2003, 8:21 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Please stop bumping up this thread.
If people didn't bother to read the content, they might only read the title and get the wrong impression that RTGs are okay.
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| Posted by: HKGambler at April 11, 2003, 8:08 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: "You promote and defend such scum operations as Sci-Fi casino which is one casino I have been locked out of and winnings kept. You say KX is being rude, but Im sure myself as well as many other online players would say hes simply being honest."
Anyone who defend, promote, advocate to play at proven cheats/thefts deserves to be rude or even attacked.
KX is honest this time, although I don't know if he now admits he was wrong or is guilty of his assertions in past posts taking the same stance & standard as slycin towards incessantly promoting other proven rogues.
Glad to see you change, KX. Keep it up.
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| Posted by: donkeykong at April 11, 2003, 10:16 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
There are not good RTG's out there, there is 1 good RTG out there, Inetbet, all others are incapable of running a business properly. The reason why a first time player shouldnt be sent to an RTG other then Inetbet for there first experience is because if they do run into problems they have no options for recourse as no one will deal with these losers because it is pointless. I see that some casinos on your boards are quality, but recommending RTG's is just wrong. I know that you need to make money but thats just mean. Who do you go to if someone does run into a problem with an RTG casino and needs help, lodge a complaint with RTG itself...hahahahahaha
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| Posted by: slycin56 at April 10, 2003, 4:21 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
I'm not here to argue with anyone, nor to defend RTG casinos carte blanche. I myself have been ocal against some of them, and my only statement up there is
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There are a few dependable RTG's that are good to play at, so just navigate carefully.
Nothing about that statement deserved personal rudeness.
If you had a legitimate problem with SciFi, did the webmaster you signed up under help you out? You didn't name the other RTG casinos you played at....
I have many, many ery happy and long-term RTG players (even a couple from here) who get special bonuses, gifts in the mail, etc., - they certainly don't feel like I'm steering them wrong.
There *are* good RTG casinos out there; and there are ery few casinos of any software company, if any at all, that don't have complaints about them posted here at WOL.
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| Posted by: whitteyford at April 10, 2003, 3:51 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Sly answer this: I have played at Odds On, Playtech, MG, Boss Media, Crypto and finally RTG. Out of all of these other then RTG I have had 1 problem getting paid (fortune lounge). I have played 4 RTG's, acounts locked= 3, winnings kept because I was classified as a bonus abuser=3, deposits stolen=1, granted I played Inetbet which I recommend to anyone, which surprisingly enough is the only one that I had no prblems with. Thus the question is, is it at all coincidence that playing about 95 casinos other then RTG I had 1 problem and with 3 of 4 RTG's I had problems. You promote and defend such scum operations as Sci-Fi casino which is one casino I have been locked out of and winnings kept. You say KX is being rude, but Im sure myself as well as many other online players would say hes simply being honest. To tell a new online player to start playing RTGs, when there are 100's of other casinos that you are pretty much guarenteed to be hassle free with is unethical and wrong. You are in essence killing the o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: slycin56 at April 10, 2003, 12:54 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
I don't know what you're basing your information on, but I also have tremendous, current knowledge of this industry.
Every casino, whether it's RTG, Microgaming, Playtech, OddsOn, Crypto - it doesn't matter - is capable of turning in a moment, and has. Microgaming is the only software provider that has systems in place for casino failure. All portal owners can do is to stay on top of the current situations and adjust their positions accordingly.
I can state with absolute certainty that I'm sending my customers to reputable casinos, and *if* a problem arises I'm here to help them sort it out, and have done so many times.
No, I didn't deserve that anymore than you would have.
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| Posted by: KX at April 10, 2003, 12:17 pm | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
slycin56; I'm sorry but I believe you deserve it in this case. You and other portal owners have a lot of power when it comes to making this industry better. There are several good casinos out there which you can promote and I can't see why you need to promote the bad guys.
I rarely use the portals, but I feel for beginners who get lured into playing at bad casinos due to sites like yours. It is not unlikely that a new player being lured to such a casino immediately stops his/hers online gambling experience immediately due to the bad experience. This is detrimental to the industry and thereby also to your profits.
I will be happy to promote your sites anytime when you´ve cleaned them up.
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| Posted by: KX at April 10, 2003, 11:44 am | | Topic: Give RTG some Credit Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by slycin56:
RTG is also my favorite software, by a long shot. There are a few dependable RTG's that are good to play at, so just navigate carefully.
Yeah, see to it that you do not use slycin56s portal since she has decided to promote some of the worst ones!
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