| Posted by: gamblinboi at June 6, 2003, 5:29 am | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
that's definite proof.
CrownVegas, you take the bet, you PAY the bet. What part of that do you NOT understand? Your coupon system allows you to deny coupons for existing players that they aren't entitled to, but you don't use that. Instead you trick players and if they lose, it's no problem, if they win, you change the rules retroactively. This is fraud and THEFT outright.
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| Posted by: Jydeman at June 5, 2003, 11:16 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
What trac is trying to say is that you should compare: http://66.250.52.169/Newsletter/04-...03_cvpm330.html (the managers link)
with
http://www.victortrac.com/~vtrac/im...rownVegasSS.jpg (taken from the cache on a computer)
Note when this document was last edited: http://www.victortrac.com/~vtrac/im...ownVegasSS2.jpg
The document the manager linked to was edited on May 19.
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| Posted by: vtrac at June 5, 2003, 10:16 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
How much more proof do you want?
These were taken straight off a temporary internet files cache. Look at the dates.
Hard proof that Crown Vegas steals AND LIES.
http://www.victortrac.com/~vtrac/im...gasSS_small.jpg
http://www.victortrac.com/~vtrac/im...asSS2_small.jpg
http://www.victortrac.com/~vtrac/im...asSS3_small.jpg
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| Posted by: vtrac at June 4, 2003, 10:54 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
IDDQD: Thanks for pointing that out. I never even noticed. However, the original email would help, as it had a copy of the original terms and conditions at the bottom of it. I am 90% certain this was where I copied the original T&C's from.
I bet as soon as the thieves at crown egas see your post, the 'BR' will magically change to 'br' to fit the rest of them.
[This message has been edited by trac (edited 06-04-2003).]
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| Posted by: IDDQD at June 3, 2003, 10:57 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
Well, unfortunately original email will not help as terms are linked to the following page,
http://66.250.52.169/Newsletter/04-...03_cvpm330.html
The page was posted on the casinomeister's forum by Crown Vegas (nikkicv) on May 21, 2003 - 09:56 am.
Viewing the Page Info in Mozilla reveals the following:
http://www.geocities.com/wol_stuff/CV1.jpg
Viewing the Page Source shows the code:
http://www.geocities.com/wol_stuff/CV2.jpg
Note the following:
1. tag “br” is used 15 times and is in caps (“BR”) only once. Can you find where?
2. tabs are used in this document in one place only. Can you find that place?
Now we have a nicely looking list of 10 items but one item is typed in a manner distinctly different from the other nine.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you to draw your own conclusions
[This message has been edited by IDDQD (edited 06-04-2003).]
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at May 21, 2003, 11:12 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by slycin56:
MrR, you know I love you to death , but I'd like to point out that I just recently negotiated a payout from Crown Vegas to another poster here, when Crown Vegas was technically within their rights to not pay.
Can we at least try to be fair? Take a look at the dates I just quoted up there, and let's just leave the possibility open that perhaps what's being posted here is not the truth, the whole truth, so help them God.
Slycin.... "MrR, you know I love you to death".... Yes, I figured you trying to kill me...
Slycin, please re read this from my post...
"Without passing judgement on you or Crown Vegas in this matter..."
I did NOT try to pick on Crown Vegas here.
I made a "blanket statement" about RTG, and their licensees. I left a 10% leeway for the ones that don't qualify for the "Garbage heap". The future will show which percentage catagory Crown Vegas should be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: slycin56 at May 21, 2003, 10:38 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
Yes, I already saw the thread at Meister's and saw her page. We really need to find a copy of that original mailing, then.
If you'd like to write me, I'll see what I can do - slycin56@videopokerjunkie.com
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Manager, GPWA
Video Poker Junkie.com
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| Posted by: vtrac at May 21, 2003, 10:18 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
slycin56, I honestly wondered that myself. I have no idea why the code at the bottom is that. Take a look at the thread on casinomeister, specifically, the reply by "Nikki" of Crown Vegas:
http://casinomeister.com/cgi-bin/di...28232#POST28232
Even her "updated" T&C from that promo showed the same code for date. I have no idea why it is from that date, however, I assure you that is not the issue here. Both the copy of the promo that I have and that CV claims is the real T&C show that code.
I recieved that email early last week sometime.
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| Posted by: slycin56 at May 21, 2003, 10:13 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
MrR, you know I love you to death , but I'd like to point out that I just recently negotiated a payout from Crown Vegas to another poster here, when Crown Vegas was technically within their rights to not pay.
Can we at least try to be fair? Take a look at the dates I just quoted up there, and let's just leave the possibility open that perhaps what's being posted here is not the truth, the whole truth, so help them God.
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| Posted by: Toots at May 21, 2003, 10:08 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrracetrack:
RTG, and 90% of their licensees, are garbage.
If you play at an RTG casino, and win, expect to get screwed out of your money.
A sad inditement - but 100% correct , although some of the offers still look so tempting .........................
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| Posted by: slycin56 at May 21, 2003, 10:08 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by trac:
Last week I recieved an email from Crown Vegas with a coupon code. They send out 1-2 coupon codes a week, which I usually ignore, but I decided to play coupon QM7CA, which is a 33% bonus up to $330 free. So I deposit $990 and recieved approximately $327 in bonus money instantly. The email had the following rules attached to the email, which I read over to make sure that I qualified:
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33% BONUS! Up To $330 FREE!!! - Coupon Code: QM7CA
*Max cash out = 10x your deposit. All excess winnings will be oided
*Please note these bonuses can only be taken up once !
*Other bonuses, comp points or any free money(manager deposit) cannot be used in conjunction with this offer!
*No further deposits may be introduced until play-through requirements have been met. Failure to comply will result in your entire winnings (including those made prior to the new deposit) being made null & oid.<... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mrracetrack at May 21, 2003, 10:00 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
trac...
Without passing judgement on you or Crown Vegas in this matter, I would just like to say that "anyone" who plays at any RTG casino , needs to realize that these types of "problems" continually occur with these RTG licensees.
RTG casinos are "known" for pulling all kinds of crap when someone actually wins money.
They constantly come up with "new reasons" why the players are "not entitled" to collect their winnings.
RTG, and 90% of their licensees, are garbage.
If you play at an RTG casino, and win, expect to get screwed out of your money.
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| Posted by: vtrac at May 21, 2003, 9:41 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
I had already posted this on casinomeister.com:
http://casinomeister.com/cgi-bin/di...28222#POST28222
I invited CV to take a look at the post in order to give their side of the story. I had expected some sort of defense on their part, but instead they decide to completely lie and change the terms of the promotion AFTER I had made my cashout.
They posted a "screenshot" of the promo which they had emailed out, which of course showed, on the first line no doubt, that what they claimed as truth - that it was a new user only bonus. For reasons which are now of the biggest regret to me, I deleted the email that was sent to me, with the ORIGINAL terms. The only proof which I have is my copy and paste of the terms into a text document, which I have presented above. If anyone out there has this email, from 5/12 or 5/13, PLEASE FORWARD ME A COPY!! I will gladly compensate for your time!
During my research into this matter I discovered that Crown Vegas has apparently trie... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vtrac at May 21, 2003, 9:34 pm | | Topic: Crown Vegas is trying to steal winnings on my 4k royal.. Forum: Winner Online |
Last week I recieved an email from Crown Vegas with a coupon code. They send out 1-2 coupon codes a week, which I usually ignore, but I decided to play coupon QM7CA, which is a 33% bonus up to $330 free. So I deposit $990 and recieved approximately $327 in bonus money instantly. The email had the following rules attached to the email, which I read over to make sure that I qualified:
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33% BONUS! Up To $330 FREE!!! - Coupon Code: QM7CA
*Max cash out = 10x your deposit. All excess winnings will be oided
*Please note these bonuses can only be taken up once !
*Other bonuses, comp points or any free money(manager deposit) cannot be used in conjunction with this offer!
*No further deposits may be introduced until play-through requirements have been met. Failure to comply will result in your entire winnings (including those made prior to the new deposit) being made null & oid.
*Bonuses may NOT be played first ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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