| Posted by: Jydeman at June 12, 2003, 12:33 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Sirius - it was Micki and Kobus that left. I guess they were responsible for making Sunny Group of online casinos a success. They have their own success now with Tridentegroup (Neptunes, Trident Lounge and VegasUSA)
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| Posted by: HKGambler at June 11, 2003, 11:14 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by cyclopes:
Grrrrr!
I have been reading the messages without looking at the date of posting and then I realize that this thread is a year old thread. Without going further down I took a guess as who might have revived this thread and oila, its none other than my online archeologist friend Sirius. Nostalgic bro?
LOL. LOL. Especially the "its none other than my online archeologist friend Sirius". Just can't stop laughing....
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| Posted by: cyclopes at June 11, 2003, 8:35 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Grrrrr!
I have been reading the messages without looking at the date of posting and then I realize that this thread is a year old thread. Without going further down I took a guess as who might have revived this thread and oila, its none other than my online archeologist friend Sirius. Nostalgic bro?
Quote: Originally Posted by Sirius:
What were the names of these people who supposedly resigned a year ago?
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| Posted by: Sirius at June 8, 2003, 7:21 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrracetrack:
The source also said the companyıs managing director and chief financial officer resigned a few months ago because of decisions made by the CEO.
What were the names of these people who supposedly resigned a year ago?
According to http://www.dirgaming.gov.ag/license...nks.asp?ID=1135 their license has expired but it's probably been renewed and the site not updated.
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| Posted by: vickinz at June 22, 2002, 6:21 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Some casinos pay fast to some, and not at all to others! Look at Sci Fi/Extreme etc. etc so why is Sunnygrp different? I know they diddled a mere $40 off a friend, just as Grand Bay tried it on also also. We don't know the depths of skullduggery going on!
I was paid, but recently a board offered me a free $20 from there and I just wouldn't waste my time! Their CS is inconsistent; told them 3-4 times their website mail not working; never a thank you, no response at all, and wasn't fixed for weeks after when I never returned! Tells me something!
It's odd that just when other casinos are tightening re sponsoring forums with freebies (eg Prestige/Vegasusa/Grand Bay etc), suddenly Sunnygroup has been announced as new sponsor for a board I isit, when they have used another one exclusively.
Are they having to explore more avenues to retain market share with increasing competition? As Mrracetrack says, only time will tell.
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at June 21, 2002, 3:06 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Woody,
"This will teach you not to lift stuff off the Casinomeister"
Nah, I will still do things like that.
I just like to "cause trouble"!
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| Posted by: tedm at June 21, 2002, 1:26 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Sure they may be having problems but they have had several chances to screw me over in the last two weeks of large sums (almost all deposits mind you not much in the way of winnings) and they have paid quickly.
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| Posted by: Woody0 at June 21, 2002, 11:08 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Mr Racetrack, I used "insubstantial" with regard to the quality of the journalism in the report. It is lacking in substance. It asserts 50 employees have "been sent home". "Employees have been fired ... a source said". Everything else revolves around "a source".
The bottom line is that the only assertion is that 50 employees have been sent home. Maybe they were given the afternoon off to go shopping .
Check the journalistic quality in general of the online ersion of the Trinidad Guardian.
Has anyone noticed any changes in their interactions with Sunny? I certainly haven't.
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| Posted by: slycin56 at June 21, 2002, 10:06 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Not on you guys' subject, but answering a question above.
Casino Tropez offers 10% on all PayPal deposits of $100+. You have to write for it. Been there, done that. Club Dice might, too.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at June 21, 2002, 7:13 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
You were taught well - but there is still nothing fundamentally wrong with the article. I trained with the best news directors in the US - and I've been in journalism on and off for 20 years.
Remember, this is not investigative reporting. She is not Bob Woodward. She is reporting the fact that 50 people were laid off. Everything else is considered background, that's all.
In the days since this article was published, I have seen no further articles, nor a retraction of any sort. If she had been wrong, I guarantee you Sunny would have been right down their throats.
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| Posted by: MrWolf at June 20, 2002, 11:56 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
As much as we don't like the lack of information or erification from a reader's perspective, this story has been reported correctly from an editor's perspective.
Depends how low the editor's standards are.
All I see is lazy journalism. Even when they put Micro's side of things they can't be bothered to speak to anyone from the company, just use the press release from their web site.
Any journalist would have done all the things I've already mentioned as a matter of course to stand the story up.
And if there had been more than one source to the story, any journalist worth their salt would have made that clear in the copy. This article refers to the source as singular throughout ie one person.
And any responsible journalist would have bothered to get comment from those laid off. It's not difficult finding them. It just entails getting off your arse and leaving the office.
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at June 20, 2002, 8:09 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
MrWolf -
If 50 people were laid off, and it wasn't true, the Guardian would have either printed a retraction or a denial by now. And strangely enough, someone somewhere else quoted Nicole Greene as saying that people were recently retrenched.
It's not a matter of refusing to comment - it's not getting one. On issues like this, journalists consider unavailability pretty much equivalent to "no comment". Had John Wallis - or anyone - wanted to comment, as I said it would have been done by now. But all we have is silence.
The story is based on unnamed source(s). That doesn't mean one, and it doesn't mean more than one - we don't know. But no responsible journalist is going to make a claim about 50 layoffs without being quite sure that the number is right - or ery close to it.
There is a line that needs to be drawn between having everything erified, or not reporting the story at all. It is sometimes impossible to get both sides before printing a story - and thus ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MrWolf at June 20, 2002, 2:14 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Got2Bet,
I don't want to keep picking holes in the story, but here goes anyway! LOL
The journalist called but didn't get a response from the CEO. It doesn't say in the story Sunny refused to comment. Just that they couldn't get one man, John Wallis. It doesn't say they attempted to contact others at the company without success.
With a story as damning as this, Sunny would have made someone available. I don't for a moment believe they'd let this pass without comment. And please don't think me presumptuous, but I don't believe as a former business editor you would either.
Indeed, earlier in this thread someone quoted a post by Nicole Greene, Sunny's public and media relations manager. It's quite interesting in that, she denies anyone's been laid off and that they have instead been redeployed.
As for this figure of 50, I find that highly questionable at this stage too. There's nothing solid to back it up, and nothing to prove it isn't a figure plucked out of thin ai... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Got2Bet at June 20, 2002, 12:09 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
I also have to disagree when you say "there is nothing wrong with the article other than mixing up one of the software provider's name" for all the reasons stated in my original post. It's shoddy journalism pure and simple not to report the story with the elements that I outlined earlier.
I also think it's contradictory to say in one par there's nothing wrong with the article, and then in the next to concede that we don't yet know how accurate/inaccurate the info is. The fact that we can't trust what we're reading shows there is something wrong with the piece. A few more quotes, and a few more sources, then we'd be in a better situation to judge matters.
The journalist called for a quote - and did not get one. Under normal circumstances, a journalist will not print something which can't be erified. S/he is not going to do something that will cause action to be taken against the paper.
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| Posted by: MrWolf at June 20, 2002, 10:57 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Got2Bet:
While I agree with Mr Wolf about presenting Sunny's side of things, if the CEO is not available and they tried to contact other people as well - well, the news has to be reported. If Sunny later denies it then another article is written.
There is nothing wrong with the article other than mixing up the software provider's name in one of the paragraphs.
Now all we have to figure out is, where did this information come from? And how accurate (or inaccurate) it is?
Got2Bet,
I could see nothing in the article above which said they tried to contact other people at Sunny. Just that the CEO wasn't available.
I also have to disagree when you say "there is nothing wrong with the article other than mixing up one of the software provider's name" for all the reasons stated in my original post. It's shoddy journalism pure and simple not to report the story with the elements that I outlined earlier.
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| Posted by: KX at June 20, 2002, 6:34 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Dave; Hmm, I recall that there were some Playtech casinos offering 10% on all PayPal deposits, but I might be wrong.
I think it was a casino owned robot. I don´t see any reason for it to bet $10 to $1000 if it was a persons. This was ery soon after the casino had opened so it might be that they were trying it out for security reasons.
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| Posted by: Dave R at June 20, 2002, 6:24 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
KX are you saying the Playtech is using
"robot" players in an attempt to make it look like there are more real players than there actually are?
Or are you saying a real player has created a robot to play there all day long? But a robot cannot beat a negative expectation game. I could see the use of "AI" in defeating postive expectation games like Bossmedia's single deck bj -- w composition dependendent strategy, or Unified Gaming's game, but why would anyone do this to Playtech. Doesn't make sense.
UNLESS OF COURSE THERE WAS A BUG IN THE BJ GAME, AND A SMART PLAYER CREATED A ROBOT TO CAPATALIZE ON IT.
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| Posted by: KX at June 20, 2002, 2:16 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Has anyone else met the computerplayers at Playtech casinos multiplayermode?
Once when I played there was a computerplayer who started with betting $10 and the increased the bet by $10 every time all the way up to $1000 (which was actually higher than the table limit!). Then it restarted at $10.
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| Posted by: royd at June 20, 2002, 12:59 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
I've been away. Now I find more controversy over Sunny. I was warned by friends that there was trouble brewing- see my earlier query about staff baling out-tipped out seems more likely now.
My sources only pass on gossip so I can't be more helpful.
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| Posted by: Jydeman at June 19, 2002, 11:55 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Woody0:
The information obviously came from a disgruntled former employee who was fired. That's the source.
Not fired - "reassigned"
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at June 19, 2002, 8:47 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
While I agree with Mr Wolf about presenting Sunny's side of things, if the CEO is not available and they tried to contact other people as well - well, the news has to be reported. If Sunny later denies it then another article is written.
There is nothing wrong with the article other than mixing up the software provider's name in one of the paragraphs.
Now all we have to figure out is, where did this information come from? And how accurate (or inaccurate) it is?
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at June 19, 2002, 8:43 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Dave, you keep arguing nonsense about this issue LOL.
MGS has no reason to cook books at all, especially not for just one casino. This article has zero to do with that.
And I've already told you that what you are quoting from Startcasino (in this instance and the last time as well) is information partly based on my information. There is no point in taking generic info and trying to use it to point the finger at one provider.
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| Posted by: Woody0 at June 19, 2002, 6:32 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by MrWolf:
I'd also wait until something a little more substantial than a report lacking direct quotes from the unnamed source, which doesn't even do the basic journalistic job of putting Sunny's side of things (sorry, CEO not available just doesn't cut it. With a story this damaging, trust me they'll make someone available to defend themselves even if the head guy isn't around) is available.
I couldn't agree more which is why I kept asking about the source. The article appears to be completely lacking in substance apart from the fact that 50 people are alleged to have been laid off. Even that is uninformative since is that 50 from a total workforce of 55, 75, 100, 500, 5000?
The Trinidad Guardian doesn't seem to have back files. I guess I might watch it for a few days to see if anything more turns up.
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| Posted by: Dave R at June 19, 2002, 3:05 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
This article does not answer the most important question:
DID MICROGAMING PROGRAM THIER SERVER TO ALTER THE WINNINGS THAT SUNNY RECEIVED? In otherwords, did Microgaming cook its books in order to create phony losses for Sunny.
Marc of Startcasino.com believes some less than reputable software developers are cheating thier licensees:
"There are cases where some Internet Gambling Software Providers have progammed the software to recognize bogus players, preprogrammed to win. So, unbeknownst to the licensee, a computer controlled player enters the casino with a credit card and wins left and right. In addition to getting a higher percentage of the take, the Internet Gambling Software Provider also GETS the WINNINGS. Talking to others in the industry about the company in question is helpful in avoiding this pitfall."
So its ery possible MGS stole all of Sunny's profits, therefore causing them to be in a horrible financial situation. To make matters worse, when Su... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MrWolf at June 19, 2002, 2:20 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by lustnot:
i have read on other forums, people having problems, receing there money, but i think it due to the change of software,
thye do seem to pay, but as not as fast in the past
People really are fickle. The slightest thing sets them off.
For the record I have been paid every time by Sunny without hassle over a period of two years. I think you'll find I'm not the only one.
And also for the record, they called me at home this week, checking to see if I had received a cheque they had sent. If you want to call that a problem receiving money, go ahead.
I'd also wait until something a little more substantial than a report lacking direct quotes from the unnamed source, which doesn't even do the basic journalistic job of putting Sunny's side of things (sorry, CEO not available just doesn't cut it. With a story this damaging, trust me they'll make someone available to defend themselves even if the head guy isn't around) is ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vickinz at June 19, 2002, 1:04 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Ha ha, if true then I'm NOT a bit surprised!Mapau, months ago cheated a friend I referred out of $40, telling him he had to make up the wagering for the signup bonus he had lost almost straight, before they would pay him. Honest casinos don't make up rules as they go along.
Would love to see Sunny go down the tubes...lying sods!
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| Posted by: lustnot at June 19, 2002, 11:17 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
i have read on other forums, people having problems, receing there money, but i think it due to the change of software,
thye do seem to pay, but as not as fast in the past
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| Posted by: CasinoCity at June 19, 2002, 9:58 am | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
The source is apparently The Trinidad Guardian, June 18, 2002. The Guardian does have a Nadine Hosein on staff. I've emailed them to erify that the article is authentic.
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at June 18, 2002, 8:49 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Here is a "response" to a question
someone on the Gonegambling forum
asked SunnyGroup about this issue.
The response is from one of the
SunnyGroup reps:
"The Casino Division of Sunny Group has become a more efficient and automated operation since its move to Playtech. This has resulted in some staff being reassigned to the group's other companies which includes land based casinos and restaurants."
Nicole Greene
Public & Media Relations Manager
Sunny Group of Companies http://www.sunnygrp.com http://www.casinofortune.com/
Tel: 868-623-4048
Fax: 868-624-1156
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Maybe the listed "pub & restaurant"
are the new places of employment for
the "formerly employed" casino workers.
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| Posted by: lustnot at June 18, 2002, 8:21 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
where did he get the info from, come one man, what paper had that in it, it dont make since, they just bought another casino goldgate, and if they so broke, why they given out free money, come on these has to be a someone working for micro, trying to hurt them,
say these one more,, if they are broke why are they buying other casino up.
please , get all the facts right
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| Posted by: Woody0 at June 18, 2002, 8:15 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Mr R.,
still doesn't locate the source which looks like a Carribean news article? However I guess Casinomeister has credibility and Mary will stomp on this if it lacks substance.
I wonder if I should forgo my plan to bet the World Cup with them?
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at June 18, 2002, 7:50 pm | | Topic: Problems for "SunnyGroup"?? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Woody0:
OK, so where is the source?
http://www.casinomeister.com/discus...html?1024443009
Woody,
I "borrowed" it from the "Casino Industry"
forum at the Casinomeister forum.
The Casinomeister is on acation, and
I figured he wouldn't catch me in my
blatant thievery.
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