| Posted by: jateeluv at June 19, 2003, 10:48 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jpsartre:
But if the numbers are correct it proves they offer a fair game, right? So really you are claiming that Inter is lying about the payout percentage.
They can be found here by the way:
http://www.intercasino.com/about/payouts_03.html
and thanks jp for that
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 19, 2003, 10:47 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
well i'm retiring myself from this thread...yall are completely misfiring on any attempts to stick to the main topic with which I presented. I could go back numerous months and years and seen similar posts to other casinos. Nothing can be done to prove unless we have an official software source code like Casino Bar.
With that said, i have no further comment. If any one would to offer there real replies you may email me at jimmywolfrey2@hotmail.com.
thanks
jt
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 18, 2003, 6:57 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie:
most players do not follow basic strategy.
Including jateeluv.
Taking insurance against an Ace is, by itself, worth about 0.4% to the house.
Assuming everyone plays as poorly as jateeluv, think what the payout % would be if they didn't.
OMG - we're almost back to expected HA.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at June 18, 2003, 3:28 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
With payout like it's hard to believe they are cheating. I think those payout are backed by a third party.
Actually I won't be suprised if their BJ pay at 97% or even 96% cause most players do not follow basic strategy. These "smart" players are my sugar daddy/mommy. I don't think casinos can offer generous promotions without them.
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| Posted by: jpsartre at June 18, 2003, 3:06 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
But if the numbers are correct it proves they offer a fair game, right? So really you are claiming that Inter is lying about the payout percentage.
They can be found here by the way:
http://www.intercasino.com/about/payouts_03.html
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 18, 2003, 1:36 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jpsartre:
The payout is not 97%, at least not for blackjack. It's between 98% and 99%, which seems ery reasonable considering the number of players who do not play optimal strategy.
Ok ..i have never seen their payout percentages per game i don't think. Maybe I have, but that is not the point of what i was trying to say.
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| Posted by: jpsartre at June 18, 2003, 12:17 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
The payout is not 97%, at least not for blackjack. It's between 98% and 99%, which seems ery reasonable considering the number of players who do not play optimal strategy.
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 18, 2003, 11:48 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
alot of people at intercasino are allowed to win at Intercasino. I am not denying that fact and it is the way Intercasino has built a great 'online' casino along with reliable payouts, great advertisements, good portal backers, and that darn monthly bonus.
If you think 97% payout is fair then the Intercasino is Fair. If you think being dealt a similation of real life blackjack is fair, intercasino is not.
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 18, 2003, 11:41 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
I disagree entirely Z. I have already said that I have won at Intercasino in the past. I'm not enting on my losses. I am questioning the software and maybe all online casino software.
Vice ersa, you think its a joke because maybe you have won alot at intercasino. It has nothing to do with someone has won or lost.
If I could see the person's deposit/withdrawal history and see their account maybe Z but not there is no relevance in looking at someone's balance.
This thread is not a joke. Intercasino is one of the best casinos is it not?
The thread is talking about how Intercasino has become this way. It is real and it has an underlying theory that the software can be designed to do whatever and whenever. Without the codes to the software we will never know. Mathematics will always say something is possible just like quantam mechanics.
Its time to get deeper into what is really happening. Too bad we can not because anything can be changed to look a certain w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zrapture at June 18, 2003, 10:04 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
"From what i have read so far .... Intercasino plays more fair if you bet $2 dollar hands while having a $1000 bankroll than if you bet $20 hands while having a $100 bankroll. Therefore, there is a threat to the integrity of the cryptologic software if this is true. "
This is because you are only seeing what you want to see. There have been plenty of big winners at Intercasino playing large hands. Just go watch some of the multiplayer games. No matter what anyone says you are going to see it from your iewpoint.
These topics are a joke anyway, there are already about 5 other Intercasino threads that are identical to this, you can probably find it in "Right Stuff" where this thread should be as well since it is nothing more then those who lost enting.
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 18, 2003, 9:11 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by agreeable:
Have bet more than $25,000 at this casino over the years on blackjack.
Game is totally fair.
Main reason people seem to think casinos are rigged is that they lose. If you bet high compared with your bankroll (e.g., you bet $20 per hand with only a $100 deposit), you're going to go bankrupt a ery high percentage of the time, no matter where you play.
It pays to invest a software program that will calculate your risk based on the amount you need to play, your bankroll, and the average bet size you plan on.
Intercasino has one of the best monthly programs anywhere, and it's a shame to see people bashing this place. There are enough really bad places (e.g. Winners Playground, Grand Royal, Virtual and its clones, etc.) that SHOULD be bashed for cheating players or for making collecting money ery difficult.
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| Posted by: magnate at June 17, 2003, 8:17 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Thanks.
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
Quote: Originally Posted by magnate:
WR DOES CARRY FORWARD.[/B
http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000762.html
wherein last January Ryan Hartley, the manager of Intercasino, supports what hhcfreebie says.
I'm guessing CS doesn't always have it right. Now there's a shocker.
I do know for a fact that when I bust-out prior to meeting WR there is no carryover to the next month.
Trust me on that one
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| Posted by: agreeable at June 17, 2003, 7:44 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Have bet more than $25,000 at this casino over the years on blackjack.
Game is totally fair.
Main reason people seem to think casinos are rigged is that they lose. If you bet high compared with your bankroll (e.g., you bet $20 per hand with only a $100 deposit), you're going to go bankrupt a ery high percentage of the time, no matter where you play.
It pays to invest a software program that will calculate your risk based on the amount you need to play, your bankroll, and the average bet size you plan on.
Intercasino has one of the best monthly programs anywhere, and it's a shame to see people bashing this place. There are enough really bad places (e.g. Winners Playground, Grand Royal, Virtual and its clones, etc.) that SHOULD be bashed for cheating players or for making collecting money ery difficult.
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 17, 2003, 4:55 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by magnate:
WR DOES CARRY FORWARD.[/B
http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000762.html
wherein last January Ryan Hartley, the manager of Intercasino, supports what hhcfreebie says.
I'm guessing CS doesn't always have it right. Now there's a shocker.
I do know for a fact that when I bust-out prior to meeting WR there is no carryover to the next month.
Trust me on that one
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| Posted by: kyyang at June 17, 2003, 3:50 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
I don't about what works for you guys at Intercasino. But for me, its only after I started playing on the Java single user ersion that I ever won any sessions at Intercasino.
Not much but better than losing all the time.
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| Posted by: magnate at June 17, 2003, 1:33 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
WR DOES CARRY FORWARD. I wrote INTERCASINO and asked and they replied.
Hello xxxxxx
In response to your email dated 3 May concerning Casino Promotion.
When a promotion is credit to your account your account will take on board the wagering requirements for the promotion, these wagering requirements will have to be completed at some point in time on your account.
If you lose your original deposit and bonus, you future wagering after making further
deposits will still count towards the promotion wagering requirements.
Quote: Originally Posted by raje:
Actually with intercasino's "rsik-free", (you can withdraw $39 before WR is complete) no carry on WR policy it's hard to loose with their monthly promotion.
What,the WR is not carried forward?
I thought all cryptos do.
And is it not that you can withdraw the whole $80 before meeting WR?
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 17, 2003, 1:13 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
Quote: Originally Posted by jateeluv:
Yeah i follow wizardofodds bs strategy with appendii...i bet insurance cuz the dealer showed ace both times! both times on a 10 dollar bet.
If you are taking insurance, you are not following BS.
The house edge on the insurance bet is about 7.4%. Pretty hefty. So those 2 bets you made cost you $1.48 whether you won them or not.
What appendix are you referring to?
Well I guess You are right about the insurance bets. But the dealer was showing ace s my blackjack. I always do insurance on that to insure an automatic win. But other than that I follow complete bs strategy.
the appendix are just the probability index...i use it while i am keepin track of the cards played..I know its not really a difference maker cuz they only use between 125 and 150 of the cards out of the 416 but still.
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 17, 2003, 12:53 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jateeluv:
Yeah i follow wizardofodds bs strategy with appendii...i bet insurance cuz the dealer showed ace both times! both times on a 10 dollar bet.
If you are taking insurance, you are not following BS.
The house edge on the insurance bet is about 7.4%. Pretty hefty. So those 2 bets you made cost you $1.48 whether you won them or not.
What appendix are you referring to?
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at June 17, 2003, 11:54 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by raje:
What,the WR is not carried forward?
I thought all cryptos do.
And is it not that you can withdraw the whole $80 before meeting WR?
I heard many cryptos carry over WR but intercasino does not. I always call/email them to make sure before I deposit and I never have any carry over WR.
I don't think you can withdraw $80 before WR nor would I recommend it. I do know it's acceptable for their manager to withdraw half your bankroll before WR, then start over fresh next month. Since they charge 1 for withdraw so you can actually withdraw $39.
As for top MG casinos, I'd suggest:
Casino kingdom group
Trident Lounge
32 Red
Gold Reef
Gamming club.
Just make sure you read all their T&C before you deposit or play.
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 17, 2003, 11:37 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
Sigh
betting $25/hand on a $200 deposit is a little too much for me. An 8 unit bankroll just isn't ery much. Good thing your first hand wasn't a split that turned into 2 doubles and then half your bankroll is gone in one hand.
Your overall results aren't really that bad - certainly not great either obviously - how many BJ's did u get?
As always, I can only hope you are religiously following the correct BS for the game in question, as boring as that is. Do you ever change your play based on a hunch?
If you are playing with your own money only, try MG or CON that have BJ with lower HA.
Yeah i follow wizardofodds bs strategy with appendii. I had 2 blackjacks and the dealer had 8 blackjacks. LoL i forgot to mention my two blackjacks i bet insurance cuz the dealer showed ace both times! both times on a 10 dollar bet.
I dont' think i have ever tried microgaming. What are the big guns in microgaming?
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| Posted by: raje at June 17, 2003, 10:59 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Actually with intercasino's "rsik-free", (you can withdraw $39 before WR is complete) no carry on WR policy it's hard to loose with their monthly promotion.
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What,the WR is not carried forward?
I thought all cryptos do.
And is it not that you can withdraw the whole $80 before meeting WR?
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 17, 2003, 10:28 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jateeluv:
So you are saying that it CASINO BANKROLL and bet size compared to that casino bankroll matters in getting a fair game? I know you don't mean to say that but that is what is ultimately implied. This goes with some of the other people's posts as well.
I'm just trying to say that your EV is not the same if you lose out on being able to split and/or double because your bankroll isn't sufficient to make the ideal bet.
So as long as you replenish your bankroll before you bet more than 25% (assuming only one split is allowed but DAS is allowed) of your bankroll on a single hand, you're right - there should be no difference.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at June 17, 2003, 10:22 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jateeluv:
Let me ask you all a question? do you think I should wait for a 3 months and deposit 1000 into Intercasino or just play 250 everymonth? I like to bet 25 for my first few hands <10 and then bet 10 after that. Should I not withdrawal at all until I am completely done a 'session'? Or can I withdrawal 100 dollars everytime I get above 100 of my originial deposit? Does it matter?
Deposit 250 every month. Always stop when you have wagered 1600. As long as you don't bet more than 1600, you will earn more money in the long run.
As for withdrawal, you can withdraw your deposit any time you like after you bet $1600 every month.
I've heard some trick such as "visit play log will turn off take down mode" or " isit casher will trigger take down mode". I tried those when I am bored but I am not sure if there is any effect.
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 17, 2003, 10:00 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jateeluv:
Deposit 200 .. doing 25 dollar bets
Sigh
betting $25/hand on a $200 deposit is a little too much for me. An 8 unit bankroll just isn't ery much. Good thing your first hand wasn't a split that turned into 2 doubles and then half your bankroll is gone in one hand.
Your overall results aren't really that bad - certainly not great either obviously - how many BJ's did u get?
As always, I can only hope you are religiously following the correct BS for the game in question, as boring as that is. Do you ever change your play based on a hunch?
If you are playing with your own money only, try MG or CON that have BJ with lower HA.
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 17, 2003, 9:58 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Let me ask you all a question? do you think I should wait for a 3 months and deposit 1000 into Intercasino or just play 250 everymonth? I like to bet 25 for my first few hands <10 and then bet 10 after that. Should I not withdrawal at all until I am completely done a 'session'? Or can I withdrawal 100 dollars everytime I get above 100 of my originial deposit? Does it matter?
I am beginning to think exiting out of a 'session' or withdrawaling money from an account or depositing money changes the 'odds' of play as well. At least from everyone's posts and replies.
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 17, 2003, 9:52 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
Quote: Originally Posted by jateeluv:
I mean there should not be a difference if I deposit 1000 one time or 50 dollars 20 times.
Of course there's a difference. Try making a $51 bet with a $50 deposit. Or, more realistically, you shouldn't even bet $10 on a $50 deposit after you are down 3 $5 units which, of course, would be a completely acceptable bet on $1000 deposit.
Clayman,
So you are saying that it CASINO BANKROLL and bet size compared to that casino bankroll matters in getting a fair game? I know you don't mean to say that but that is what is ultimately implied. This goes with some of the other people's posts as well.
I don't see a difference having a $1000 Neteller bankroll and depositing $50 into a casino and betting $25 a hand (for doubling/splitting purposes) then re depositing another 50 if your balance goes to zero AND just depositing the whole 1000 at once and playing 500 consecutive hands ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hhcfreebie at June 17, 2003, 9:10 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
I used to believe that intercasino's BJ is not fair. Now I am not so sure. The more I played it, my total return keep on raising from 96% to around 98% now. I think they are offering a fair game but their RNG is just ery streaky. The ery same thing happened to BM software. It might not be realistic but it could be fair. I've seen people bet 25 per hand but his game seems to be normal. Most loose are due to bad play. (split 10 etc)
The best RNG so far is Casino on Net.
Clayman I think what they care about is the total return not the chance of ruin. It doesn't matter how much they bet or how much they deposit. Actually with intercasino's "rsik-free", (you can withdraw $39 before WR is complete) no carry on WR policy it's hard to loose with their monthly promotion.
Of course if they are playing for fun it would be a completely different story. The more they bet, the more they loose.
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| Posted by: Clayman at June 17, 2003, 8:31 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jateeluv:
I mean there should not be a difference if I deposit 1000 one time or 50 dollars 20 times.
Of course there's a difference. Try making a $51 bet with a $50 deposit. Or, more realistically, you shouldn't even bet $10 on a $50 deposit after you are down 3 $5 units which, of course, would be a completely acceptable bet on $1000 deposit.
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| Posted by: Bethug at June 17, 2003, 8:29 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
depoist 300, tuesday of last week , today up 4300, playiing black jack and a little three card poker.
i have seen some of u guys play and u dont no money mangement or common since.
why would some of u go to the 10 to 2000 limit table with 60 or even 40 bucks. common now
i am sure some of u will get lucky , but the most u want, and i thank u cause it keep us real players happy , cause someone has to lose and why not a person that waste there money
intercasino is the place, i have busted out with 175 depoist two weeks ago, i didnt run and cry. u win some u lose some.
i got 3 black jack in a row on last thursday
also i won a 500 hand. so come on now
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| Posted by: jateeluv at June 17, 2003, 7:45 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
siigh, intercasino is wonderful.
Deposit 200 ..get it up to 300 doing 25 dollar bets within the first 8(6-2)hands and then bam!!! I start only betting 10 dollar hands..and lose 59% of the time.(non win - 67%) Double downs were 3/11 (1 tie) including losing the last 4.
Last hand: betting 10.. i get dealt a 14 s a dealer 10. I hit get a 6 and dealer pulls over a 6 and then gets a 5 for 21!!
Overall:
38 wins 59 losses 8 ties (split hands included) Win%: 36%
double downs 3 wins 11 loses and 1 tie. -$300.
Another beautiful session at Intercasino.
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| Posted by: MrWolf at June 14, 2003, 9:58 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mr J:
For all of you that accuse a software of being rigged,
Where's your proof? Your highly emotional posts that have no fatual basis or evidence at all are not worth the time to read.
Hundreds of people post the same thing over and over again, 'this casino is rigged, that casino is rigged, so's this one'. It's getting ery boring.
Online BJ is olatile. You will lose occasionally, no matter what your level of play. You always play with an element of risk, which means you will bust sometimes.
If you believe a casino is rigged, prove it.
I agree that the countless posts crying rigged are tiresome, add no new information and don't prove what they're asserting.
You are right to say "if you believe a casino is rigged, prove it."
However, the flip side of the coin is that if you believe a casino is random and fair, you prove it.
A tad difficult isn't it?
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| Posted by: mikael at June 14, 2003, 9:07 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Just another oice to add to the 'Intercasino are fair' camp.
I am in UK but Intercasino is the primary casino I'll play in dollars - I've had mixed results but you would expect that. Their BJ has never done anything odd that I'd suspect of cheating, and I must be one of the worst on the web for arying my stake...I know...bad stratgey....
Intercasino are OK by me.
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| Posted by: HKGambler at June 14, 2003, 7:23 am | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mr J:
If you believe a casino is rigged, prove it.
First of all, I agree that crying rigged all day long, here & there, without ground, is an unacceptable behavior.
However, to believe is one thing, to prove is another. How can you expect individuals prove riggedness when they believe the games they play are rigged?
True that one cannot prove it rigged when having terrible results. Also true that one cannot prove it not rigged when having promising results. In dealing with online gambling, always not to be too affirmed of the Game Fairness or Randomness. No one knows for sure. And the arguments go on forever.
The bottom line is, software can rig and casinos have the reasons to rig. It's up to anybody to believe a particular casino is rigged or not. The general phenomenon is that many players would still risk the questionable SW for the sake of the bonus. Without bonuses, online gambling is entirely a different industry.
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| Posted by: Mr J at June 13, 2003, 11:49 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
For all of you that accuse a software of being rigged,
Where's your proof? Your highly emotional posts that have no fatual basis or evidence at all are not worth the time to read.
Hundreds of people post the same thing over and over again, 'this casino is rigged, that casino is rigged, so's this one'. It's getting ery boring.
Online BJ is olatile. You will lose occasionally, no matter what your level of play. You always play with an element of risk, which means you will bust sometimes.
If you believe a casino is rigged, prove it.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at June 13, 2003, 7:34 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Maybe I am just unlucky. Given the fact that they offer 100% match every single month they can have whatever payout % they want and we shouldn't complain. At least that bonus extends the playing time and gives the player a chance (however dim) to win more. Oh well.
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| Posted by: caruso at June 13, 2003, 4:43 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
But I can tell you whenever you are betting with bonus and if you are in single player mode, the payout is around 80%. Is it fair? Maybe.
My own play over the last couple of months,
(the playing sessions which included the monthly promo) and always in single-player mode, shows a payout of about 115%. Is it fair? Maybe.
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| Posted by: zrapture at June 13, 2003, 4:40 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
You guys are funny. I especially like the way you state your theories as facts. Amusing stuff.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at June 13, 2003, 2:45 pm | | Topic: Intercasino Forum: Winner Online |
Thing is I never cashed out anything from Intercasino. Is it fair? Maybe. But I can tell you whenever you are betting with bonus and if you are in single player mode, the payout is around 80%. Is it fair? Maybe.
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