| Posted by: caruso at July 19, 2003, 2:07 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Bad idea; it would contribute nothing meaningful and probably end up being entirely misleading.
FTR, there's nothing wrong with Fortune Lounge from my end.
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| Posted by: max at July 19, 2003, 9:41 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Quote:
... would it be possible to put a a poll here so we can ote for the worst Casinos?
Dunno, I'll run it by the Pitboss, see what he thinks.
Regards,
Max Drayman
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| Posted by: Trader v1.1 at July 19, 2003, 9:29 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
How can any blacklist be complete without Casino Bar and Golden Palace?
Casino Bar is one of ery few to be using software proven to cheat in rigorous testing.
Golden Palace is run by known criminals and probably still has the the unofficial record for most money stolen from players in revoking bonuses and winnings retroactively in 2000. Since the same known criminals still run the place, they are only waiting to pull the same stunt again before they close down.
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| Posted by: zrapture at July 18, 2003, 4:51 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
I would like to add Intercasino and William Hill, in spite of what other posters have said on here. Everytime I go there I get taken down in the most brutal fashion no matter how I play. The dealer ends up with all the 20s, 21s, and BJs and I get all the mid-tens. If I hit the software sent me bust, every time!
This is exactly why this "player blacklist" could never ever work. If you would put a casino on a blacklist for this type of reason then I guarentee you every single casino online (and land) would be on the blacklist. THis is because ever casino has players who had really bad results.
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| Posted by: Sirius at July 18, 2003, 3:33 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
You have to wager the $200 deposits to qualify. I wagered $250 with $10 hands on each account immediately after depositing. I have no idea why I only got the bonus at 7sultans. The bonuses were meant to have been given on the 3rd July in my case.
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| Posted by: allCasinosCheat at July 18, 2003, 1:52 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Yes, there must be a rogue section AND a good casinos section somewhere on the site, Max. Or you could make a sticky topic on this thread.
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| Posted by: allCasinosCheat at July 17, 2003, 11:49 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
7 Sultans added no bonus
Cash out all three casinos with a profit of 33 dollar (ROI of 33/600 5,5%, 2% more than on my bank account ). I had a feeling that I ll never would get those bonusses.
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| Posted by: allCasinosCheat at July 17, 2003, 10:52 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Sirius, yes I got the same emails. And yes there was also bonus of 25 if u deposit 50 or more, but i thought its either ths one or the other.
Sirius, you have to wager the purchace once to get the bonus, i didnt knew that. So i wagered at 7 sultans once.
To avoid any problems, I will not ask any bonus at Royal Vegas (Seem the fairest FL to me) and Vegas Palms. I will just cash out immidiately.
Often you can see if casino has problems by looking at the bonusses they offer (no the match bonusses). Big bonusses means there's something going on. 95 for a 200 deposit is big for me, so they try to attract more players, because there might somehting be wrong (cash problem?).
I will add FL to my semi-rogue list.
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| Posted by: johnnydemp at July 17, 2003, 5:40 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Fortune Lounge deserves to be on the blacklist..#1. They have caused more problems for players over the past 6 months then any other casinos on the net. Heres a taste of what they have done to me:
http://casinomeister.com/discus/mes...html?1057760981
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| Posted by: bonuslover at July 17, 2003, 5:31 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Sirius, ACC
I told you guys (on the other thread) that these FL are rats and they cheat on bonuses. Don't bother sending them emails as they will never write back.
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| Posted by: Sirius at July 17, 2003, 4:54 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by allCasinosCheat:
uh oh, deposited 600 in FL casinos for a bonus, and they even dont know what bonus. i had to email them the promo emails. Good way of running the business.
I know which emails you are talking about because you mentioned it in the other thread. I had to forward the emails as well. I deposited $600 too.
I still haven't got the bonuses two weeks later and no responses. I only got the bonus in 7sultans and not the other two accounts. I cashed out $350 at 7 sultans.
By the way, I think the bonuses are $95 not $70 per account that you mentioned in the other thread. You should get an extra $25 for depositing more than $50 but maybe your emails are different.
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| Posted by: Clayman at July 17, 2003, 4:29 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
...regardless how perfect your basic strategy is and how you size your bets.
There aren't degrees of BS and any casino casino will take you down if your bet size is wacked out.
Seriously, you think anyone here actually believes 24 of your 30 casinos win over 66% of the hands, as in "However with online casinos my experience so far was - after playing at over 30 of them - that they win far more than 2/3 of hands"?
Either you're not playing BS or you are, let's say, "exaggerating."
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| Posted by: andreww at July 17, 2003, 3:36 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
How many different ways do you have of playing? Could you elaborate?
It doesn't matter with either Intercasino or William Hill if I bet flat $2 or $5 at a time, or use ariable bet sizes. They are ery skillfull at taking you down regardless how perfect your basic strategy is and how you size your bets.
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| Posted by: allCasinosCheat at July 17, 2003, 10:11 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
uh oh, deposited 600 in FL casinos for a bonus, and they even dont know what bonus. i had to email them the promo emails. Good way of running the business.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at July 17, 2003, 8:58 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Although I hate FL group, I must say 7 FL group do pay at the end. They are not rogues but it's a major headache when I requested a cashin.
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online gambling "watcher".
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| Posted by: andreww at July 16, 2003, 10:16 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bonuslover:
Last time I saw a guy splitting any pairs and doubling every hand lower than 17. Was that you andrew?
lol, you seem to think that I don't know how to play. I usually play a combination of basic strategy and a system of aried bet sizes that ensure as long as I win at least 1/3 of hands and don't have a 'base' bet higher than 1-2% of my my bankroll, I end up with a decent win. I usually cash-in once I have doubled my bankroll. This works well on land-based casinos. However with online casinos my experience so far was - after playing at over 30 of them - that they win far more than 2/3 of hands, especially when getting closer to fulfilling the WR. The only exemptions so far are Crocksford, Gaming Club, Lucky Nugget, Riviera, 7Sultans and Prism (!). I can't recommend 7Sultans or Prism though because both are extremely difficult with cash-ins. They probably spend so much time arguing with players about cash-ins that they dont' find the time to influ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Clayman at July 16, 2003, 6:12 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
Everytime I go there I get taken down in the most brutal fashion no matter how I play.
How many different ways do you have of playing? Could you elaborate?
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| Posted by: andreww at July 16, 2003, 1:12 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
I would like to add Intercasino and William Hill, in spite of what other posters have said on here. Everytime I go there I get taken down in the most brutal fashion no matter how I play. The dealer ends up with all the 20s, 21s, and BJs and I get all the mid-tens. If I hit the software sent me bust, every time!
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| Posted by: cyclopes at July 14, 2003, 9:58 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Good Luck KX .. do let us know how you are doing out there!
Quote: Originally Posted by KX:
Btw, I've not been playing too much casinos lately. I play poker mainly nowadays. Leaving for European Championships in London tomorrow morning, so I won't be here to reply for some days.
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| Posted by: KX at July 14, 2003, 3:14 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Btw, I've not been playing too much casinos lately. I play poker mainly nowadays. Leaving for European Championships in London tomorrow morning, so I won't be here to reply for some days.
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| Posted by: KX at July 14, 2003, 3:13 pm | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
I once again feel obliged to tell about my personal experiences...
I have ALWAYS been paid by both Prism and Virtual (yes they are the same outfit, I am 100% sure). The last time it took months from Virtual but suddenly the payment was in my Neteller account.
The strange thing is I was sure not to be paid this time. I've won alot from the group (more than from any other of the 300 or so casinos I've played) and I thought they finally had it. I talked to support by phone several times months ago and they promised to pay "soon". Soon never came so I was sure I was never going to be paid. To my big surprise the money turned up some weeks ago. My withdrawals have been low to medium 4-figure amounts.
Regarding Bonuslovers list I beg to disagree in most cases:
1. Crystal Palace. Lots of horror stories. I was locked out when winning but paid fast. Nothing bad for me.
2. Black Widow. Extremely slow payments, but they do pay.
3. NetClub. Not updated... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bonuslover at July 14, 2003, 10:29 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
I think a blacklist is unfair. It is because it will only have RTGs and Playtechs on it. Others like MGs and BMs will be selected against and they won't get any 'negative traffic'.
Anyway here is my list
1, Crystal Palace (owner deserves to be sodomized)
2, Blackwidow (manager should be widowed)
3, Netclub (this casino should rot in hell)
4, Goodasgold et al (rigged software+ run by brainless rats)
5, Carnival (run by brainless amoeba)
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| Posted by: Schankwart at July 14, 2003, 9:50 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Todays nominee goes to...
POWERBET!!!
°clap°°clap°°clap°
...for changing promotion-rules retroactively and stiffing players (me) for almost a grand!!!
Way to go Powerbet!!! NO!!!!!!
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| Posted by: andreww at July 14, 2003, 9:41 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
Closely followed by: Virtual Casino.
I am convinced they are the same joint as Prism. Same arrangement: huge bonuses, no cash-ins. The only difference I have noticed was: They don't even bother responding to any cash-in requests or emails.
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| Posted by: andreww at July 14, 2003, 9:37 am | | Topic: (Unofficial) WOL Blacklist Forum: Winner Online |
[Max says: this has _nothing_ to do with the staff or representatives of WINNERonline.com This is a reader's idea of a "WOL Blacklist" and is not officially recognized or supported by the WINNERonline.com staff in any way, shape or form.]
The winners is:
Prism Casino, for being the rudest and the most openly cheating online casino I have come across yet. They bend their terms with complete disregard of any common sense to avoid having to pay. They are either broke or criminals. They incite new players with their huge bonuses, but refuse to cash out. When you keep chasing your money, they get rude and lock you out. Original statement of Valerie, one of their managers: The rules are the Bible and we have written it.
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