| Posted by: Valhel at August 20, 2003, 10:43 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
If it would be like you said, they could have closed my account also a few weeks ago.
Only after having given them the information, that i have empty pockets, they decided to close my account.
A little bit late for their good faith.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at August 20, 2003, 10:31 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
They close your account because
(1) you cause more trouble than they can tolerate.
(2) they think you are an addictive gambler and close your account in good faith.
Since you are more likey to loose much more money anyway, you are actually the only one who benefit from their decision.
A really evil casino will give you more bonus to lure you back and loose even more!
If you spent some time to learn how to calculate odds, you will quite gambling at once.
Stocks and Bonds are far more profitable than gambling.
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| Posted by: Wave at August 16, 2003, 10:23 pm | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
I believe most members dont play roulette. Few can share their experience. ITs a bad choice anyway. Why do you stick to a game with an edge 5%+ (1 zero)?
This's online gamble. You can believe this's rigged. Until there's proof (how? you may ask), it's called ery bad luck. Take it or leave it.
Quit roulette forever.
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| Posted by: Valhel at August 16, 2003, 4:34 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Unfortunately my data-file for my session of yesterday is too big. I don't get it into the post (word-document has 144 sites). Does anybody know a way to make it public here.
Intercasino support doesn't provide me with my total wagering. They said i should calculate it myself. I would do, but the log-file includes only the sessions for almost one month.
Speaking with them about their fairness standards is useless. They tell me standard phrases like " we cannot predict the results, there is no guarantee that a number has to come next" and much more general speaking. And Ryan hartley only can speak about tests, i would say they tell only blablablabla.
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| Posted by: Valhel at August 15, 2003, 6:45 pm | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Intercasino:
800 bets i made today, and my bet number 13 came 6 times, oh what "good average" this casino gives me. I think since i had this jackpot hit and the ecash processed this cash out i won't win any cent at a crypto-casino. Also at william hill where i had this slot jackpot i didn't won any cent after this jackpot
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 11, 2003, 3:43 pm | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie:
combin function and my factoria formula are exactly the same.
Yes - that's why I already told you. Didn't think you realized that.
I think you'll find the combin function a big time-saver. Much simpler to use and much less math.
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| Posted by: zrapture at August 11, 2003, 11:51 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Excuse me for throwing in a bit of common sense here, but
WTF would a large casino cheat in roulette?? The game has a natural house egde of over 2% and many over 5%. I could understand a small underfunded casinos using proprietary software who may not be able to afford 20K payouts. Intercasino and Lassaters would not even flinch (and more importantly, not even make you fill out forms) to pay that amount. For every $10,000 wagered they will keep on average $200-$500 and you can't even use the making up for the bonuses excuse because you can't play roulette with bonuses.
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 11, 2003, 11:16 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Valhel:
I asked several times to get my history list, but they didn't provide me with that.
By the way at lasseters it is better to write down your results
I can understand that a lot people don't believe me these incredible results.But I am a gambler, not a liar.
Even writing down your own results, which of course I highly recommend in all cases, would not be as authoritative as having a log.
I'm surprised they won't give it to you, especially if you asked for it in a reasonable time frame but I don't know how Lasseter's works.
It's not that I don't believe you - in fact I posted the chances of what happened to you, at least as how I interpreted what you said happened to you, to draw attention to your case because, let's face it, 500,000 to 1 events don't happen every day.
If you can get the log, and it's anything close to what you say it is, I think you have something.
If they let you bet one cent on roulette, I'd go back and blow... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Valhel at August 11, 2003, 10:58 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Lasseter's has already excluded me after my complaint.
I asked several times to get my history list, but they didn't provide me with that.
I had only my notices. By the way at lasseters it is better to write down your results, because checking them in your bet history needs long time.
Today the regulation authority offered me to exclude me from Lasseters, although it was the first action of lasseter's after my complaint. Very funny how they inform each other. I think they simply don't care for my complaint. As i said only "blablabla".
I can understand that a lot people don't believe me these incredible results.But I am a gambler, not a liar.
Fact is i have never seen a nonbetnumber didn't come for more than 150 spins. By random only the bet numbers deliver such results as i told you.
Fact is in practise mode the performance of the numbers is quite balanced after 700 spins.
By the way does anybody know how to contact the New Jersey Casino Con... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Clayman at August 11, 2003, 10:54 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie:
I calculate the odds of hit exactly once and hit none then add them together.
Me too.
I believe your factorial formulae simplify to exactly the same thing the "combin" function does. For a clear discussion of the relationship between the two, as always, consult the Wiz.
http://www.wizardofodds.com/games/pokerodd.html
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at August 11, 2003, 10:40 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Once again I am wrong.
There is an error (I timed 310 instead of 309) on my calculation so to hit 1 times in 310 spin the chance is 1 in 464.75 (37 wheel) and 1 in 567.15 (38 wheel). You are exactly right.
To get to the odds of hit 1 times or less, my result is still different than yours. it's 1 in 415.2 for 37 wheel and 1 in 508.14 for 38 wheel.
I calculate the odds of hit exactly once and hit none then add them together. For example for 37 wheel it's 0.215% for 1 time and it's 0.02568% for zero times, adding the two number to get the chance as 0.24085% then divide 1 with the chance to get an odds of 1 in 415.2.
I don't use combin as I prefer to use raw formula instead. My formula is posted above as a link.
I'll recheck my calculation about the odds of 6 times in 1000 (37 wheel) when I get home.
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 11, 2003, 10:10 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie:
One of us got to be wrong.
I'm using the following formula to solve the probability of a number hitting exactly x times in 310 spins on a 38-number wheel:
combin(310,x)*(1/38)to the xth power*(37/38)to the (310-x) power.
I get 1 in 464.75120093etc
I'm carrying all the decimals - maybe you are rounding somwhere? So maybe we are both right
I didn't use normal approximation for the reason you mentioned.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at August 11, 2003, 9:43 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
Although I agreed with your number of 1 in 32 for hitting a number 3 times or less in 310 spins on a 37-number wheel, using the same methodology as I did for that, I definitely get 563,175 to 1 for hitting one number 6 times or less in 1000 spins on a 38 number wheel.
Not that it really matters. Like you, I tend to disbelieve it as true given the rarity of the event actually occurring.
The method I used to calculate odds are posted as a link. Please check my formula and see if there is any difference.
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ACC - If what you meant by "chances of 1 number to appear in 310 spins is once in 500" is "if I played the same number for 310 spins on a 38-number wheel, what are the chances of that number hitting exactly one time?" the answer is 1 in 465 and 1 in 567 for a 37-number wheel. If what you meant is that number hitting 1 or fewer times, the chances are 1 in 232 & 1 in 284 for a 37-number ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Clayman at August 11, 2003, 4:57 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by hhcfreebie:
If what he said is really true, based on my calculation, The chance of hitting 6 times or less in 1000 spin is almost 1 in one million. (1 in 999117)
Although I agreed with your number of 1 in 32 for hitting a number 3 times or less in 310 spins on a 37-number wheel, using the same methodology as I did for that, I definitely get 563,175 to 1 for hitting one number 6 times or less in 1000 spins on a 38 number wheel.
Not that it really matters. Like you, I tend to disbelieve it as true given the rarity of the event actually occurring.
ACC - If what you meant by "chances of 1 number to appear in 310 spins is once in 500" is "if I played the same number for 310 spins on a 38-number wheel, what are the chances of that number hitting exactly one time?" the answer is 1 in 465 and 1 in 567 for a 37-number wheel. If what you meant is that number hitting 1 or fewer times, the chances are 1 in 232 & 1 in 284 for a 37-... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: swin at August 11, 2003, 1:10 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
I have almost forgettn how to calcuate a probability thought I can understand the number when someone calcualtes that for me.
Actually I have seen a no. to hit 4 consecutive times in online casinos. Is the Probability (1/37)*(1/37)*(1/37)*(1/37) = 1 in 1.87 million? (luckily I was able to hit at least twice the no. as I only bet on hot numbers.)
And that a no appears 3 times consectively is not abnormal in online casino but I haven't seen much in landbased casinos.
From my observation, Roulette's behaviour is ery different in Land than in Online. So better to have a different stragety for Land and Online and also for different casino software.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at August 11, 2003, 12:00 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
If what he said is really true, based on my calculation, The chance of hitting 6 times or less in 1000 spin is almost 1 in one million. (1 in 999117) A beautiful number indeed.
When I see an event as 1 in 10k I'll call it rigged and I'll never get near the software.
I'll definitly call it rigged for this case BUT I highly doubte what he said is true.
Are casinos really that stupid to cheat in such an obvious way?
I'd really like to see both sides' story. Until then, I really can't believe it's the truth.
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| Posted by: andreww at August 10, 2003, 11:10 pm | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
97% payout doesn't proove anything. What these statistics don't say is who the players are who win 97% of the money that other players loose. As we have heard before from former employees of online casinos, the big winners in online gambling are associates of those casinos, not the real players.
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| Posted by: andreww at August 10, 2003, 11:09 pm | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Valhel:
I already contacted Lasseters and the regulation authority of them, but these are normal results for them. Their answer is blablabla... " some players are winning and some players are losing, but we have a payout of 97% at roulette".
97% payout doesn't proof anything. What these statistics don't tell us is who the players are who win 97% of the money that other players loose. As we have heard from former employees of online casinos, the big winners in online gambling are associates of those casinos, not the real players.
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| Posted by: bonuslover at August 10, 2003, 5:34 pm | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
you played 1000 spins at Lasseter's betting the same number each time and it hit exactly 6 times? Any chance there are actually logs?
It doesn't have to be the same number. He can bet any number he wants and results still apply.
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 10, 2003, 4:56 pm | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
Given the odds of hitting a number, it's quite possible to go long streaks without hitting it
Guess I'm just wondering, what with all the information we have at our disposal, at what point does an event become a cause for concern or a reason to call it something other than "bad luck". What is anyone's threshold?
I don't even know what my threshold might be but I know it's not once in 500 or 1 in 1000 or 1 in 5000. Probably not 1 in 10,000 or even 20 or 30K.
But when something has a probability of over 500,000 to one, like Valhel's experience at Lasseter's (if true), (playing same number for 1000 spins and it hitting only 6 times) that definitely does get my full attention.
Without question, I'd want another 1000 spin sample and if results were duplicated, I don't think there could be too much doubt about "fairness".
Valhel - do you stand by your statement that you played 1000 spins at Lasseter's betting the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Valhel at August 10, 2003, 11:50 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
gamblinboi, what is in your opinion a streak of bad luck. When a bet number doesn't come for 500, 1000, or more times.
Look at the permanences of landbased casinos and you won't find a number which comes within 310 spins only one time. I haven't found until now and i looked the permanences of the most german landbased casinos and their different tables for a period of three months. With online gaming i have such event almost in every session.
But everybody define fairness different .
Be happy that you aren't suffering such bad streaks.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at August 10, 2003, 10:53 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
lol, me working for a casino.
the house edge on one number bet is 2.63 to 2.70%. Given the odds of hitting a number, it's quite possible to go long streaks without hitting it (despite what ACC states above).
Problem gamblers, controlled gamblers, gamblers who have fun and lose a little bit, all have the right to have their say on here. But you definately sound like you might have a problem. Also, we're tired of hearing the same old "this casino is rigged!" just because you hit a bad run of luck playing a horrible game like Roulette. do us all a favor, quit playing online if you don't think the games are fair. Do yourself a favor, and quit playing PERIOD as you seem to have a problem.
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at August 10, 2003, 10:50 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Valhel:
Crazy, crazy this intercasino roulette.
I made 310 bets, number 7 came 1 time and 20 two times, of course they were my bet numbers.
That's a fair random, isn't it?
I assume you are playing single zero roulette. If you bet single number 310 times, the chance of hitting 3 times or less is 3.11%, or 1 in 32.
For more information on how to calculate odds, check here: http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000029.html
It's terrible terrible bad luck, but your sample is too small to prove its fairness. However if you bet on black or even number 20 times and it only shows 3 times, that would be a 1 in 530 event to have 3 times or less and you might have a case.
If you don't believe inter or us, go ahead and do a charge back. That way you will be banned forever from all cryptologic casinos and you will never loose again. IMO It's not fair to inter but, as it seems, you have serious gambling problem. Everyone deserve... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Valhel at August 10, 2003, 9:37 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Dear Gamblinboi,
charge backs, when casinos obviously cheats like quicksilver.
You think only the controlled gamblers has a right to play, all others are problem gamblers. I make in average 5$ bets and i have a problem when by "random" i always choose the wrong number. To lose so much as me with long period betting on one number with my bet amount is quite unrealistic.
But be glad that such players like me exists, otherwise you would be the next ictim to be ripped off.
By the way the massive house advantage exists only at rigged online roulettes. Roulette belongs also to the games with high chances to win, but in your eyes "problem gamblers" earn it to lose i think.
Maybe you work for a casino and you know probably too good how the system works.
And by the way why it should not be possible to win back although a player get out of control sometimes.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at August 10, 2003, 6:16 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
no, sounds like this guy
1) is a problem gambler (he admits he is out of control at casinos)
2) has no respect for fair play (chargebacks just because you lose in roulette, HELLO, the game has a massive house advantage!)
3) is doing a disservice to EVERYONE by playing online and or playing anywhere, ESPECIALLY himself.
Get Some HELP!!!
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| Posted by: eek at August 10, 2003, 5:51 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
Sounds like you should stick to landbased places....
There IS somewhere that just occurred to me..
http://www.Pluslotto.com
'Pickit'(pick1,match1 bet) has a six number draw from 30 every 60 secs.
The payout is 95%, better than a double zero wheel, worse than a single zero wheel.
Other options are 90% return, which is to be avoided.
The six numbers means lower ariance, which might help.
You'll get the idea if you have a look.
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I also reckon that you should think seriously about giving up Internet casinos.
Chuck your computer in the bin.
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| Posted by: Valhel at August 10, 2003, 2:46 am | | Topic: Who has experiences with Intercasino Roulette? Forum: Winner Online |
auweia, they don't respect credit card limits now. Just called my bank and asked if there is any money free, they said no, but i still can make deposits at intercasino. And normally no processing should be possible anymore
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