| Posted by: caruso at August 19, 2003, 2:56 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by max:
I've received a complaint about the way some of you guys are treating Andreww.
Ah, poor little love. Bless his little cotton socks.
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| Posted by: max at August 19, 2003, 11:13 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
I've received a complaint about the way some of you guys are treating Andreww. After having carefully considered the situation I think the following is worth saying:
1) There's no need to call anyone a "retard" or whatever. You folks can say what you need to say without being abusive about it.
2) While some small percentage of what Andreww has had to say so far is worthwhile a large part of it is drivel and we all know it. Nothing wrong with calling a dog a dog.
3) Conclusion: insults and abuse are not welcome here but neither is unrestrained rubbish. Neither contribute to our cause here. I call on all parties to raise the bar a little and resist the temptation to wallow in their own erbal excrement.
Regards,
Max Drayman
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| Posted by: zrapture at August 18, 2003, 12:57 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
"Zrapture you have some ery interesting thoughts,topics and opinions, but I would like to ask "Why do you have to trouble any other member of this board and tell them that they are clueless and idiots" when they are only telling other members of this Board the problems that they have run into with other casinos?"
Smay, there are a couple reasons.
This board is a great place to share experiences and exchange advice . However, some will exagerate, make false statements, try to carry out agendas, etc. For newer members, lurkers etc who haven't been part of the seen for long might not be able to recognize the "real" problems from the garbage. Others (Jetset, Trader, myself, etc) can recognize it right away with a fairly high degree of accuracy. For example the guy claiming to work for Intercasino last week, now anybody who has been reading message boards for a while could see it was a hoax after the first paragraph, just by the tone and info contained. Yet it ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: caruso at August 18, 2003, 5:37 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
You're right - there's a lot of amusement to be had here.
Andrew - do everyone a favour, stop gambling online and chuck your computer out the window. You really are an irritating little troll.
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| Posted by: FortuneLounge at August 18, 2003, 4:58 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Cash in on 15 May 2003 - $1000
16 May we credited $200 to his Visa card
26 May we did a CAC for $800 as he did not return erification documents.
Cash in 13 July 2003 - $25
14 July we did a CAC as the cash in was under $30 (unable to refund to cards)
Cash in 15 July 2003 - $25
16 July we did a CAC as the cash in was under $30 (unable to refund to cards)
Cash in 17 July 2003 - $49
18 July we refunded to his NETeller account
Not bad going I would say.
VP Operations
Fortune Lounge
PS CAC = Money returned to casino account.
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 18, 2003, 4:40 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
I wasn't aware that DesertDollar is part of FortuneLounge. If I had known, I certainly wouldn't have played there in the first place.
If they had known you were going to play there. I'm sure they would have told you.
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
It's just too hard to get your money out of those guys.
So how long did it actually take you to get your $220 from this suspicious, choreographed casino that's controlled by CSR's?
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| Posted by: andreww at August 18, 2003, 4:20 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by FortuneLounge:
His implication that his fortune changed after he contacted our Call Center is absolutely ludicrous as it is totally impossible for us to have any influence on the outcome of any player's gambling on our casinos.
I wasn't aware that DesertDollar is part of FortuneLounge. If I had known, I certainly wouldn't have played there in the first place. It's just too hard to get your money out of those guys.
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| Posted by: FortuneLounge at August 18, 2003, 12:30 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
To andreww and those now trying to protect his right to identify "cheating casinos",
We have deliberately refrained from commenting on andreww's original posting and I have followed the postings with great interest and amusement.
His implication that his fortune changed after he contacted our Call Center is absolutely ludicrous as it is totally impossible for us to have any influence on the outcome of any player's gambling on our casinos.
Fortunately there seem to be enough wise and experienced members in the forum who know that it is impossible for us to determine or manipulate any outcome.
VP Operations
Fortune Lounge
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 16, 2003, 8:11 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Diomedes:
I lurked for many months before posting. Also, have gone through some previous posts using search....what seems to be going on with this thread is a repeat of the Damian Dunlap scenario with some exceptions. As incredible as damian's spelling, references to 'crack ho's' and requests for protection money...there was some humor in each of his posts. I don't see that in andreww's posts nor in the attempts to out him as an idiot.
The following excerpt from one of andreww's posts reveals much:
I realise that I come to my conclusions earlier than some people.
This is an inane statement. The slowest of the slow come to conclusions earlier than some people!
I have a good nose and I can smell a rat earlier than other people.
If anyone uses instinct (a hunch, a guess, a Ouija board) to smell a rat and then broadcasts that the rat exists is simply setting themselves up to look foolish when he can't produce the rat!
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| Posted by: Diomedes at August 16, 2003, 2:51 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
I lurked for many months before posting. Also, have gone through some previous posts using search....what seems to be going on with this thread is a repeat of the Damian Dunlap scenario with some exceptions. As incredible as damian's spelling, references to 'crack ho's' and requests for protection money...there was some humor in each of his posts. I don't see that in andreww's posts nor in the attempts to out him as an idiot.
The following excerpt from one of andreww's posts reveals much:
I realise that I come to my conclusions earlier than some people.
This is an inane statement. The slowest of the slow come to conclusions earlier than some people!
I have a good nose and I can smell a rat earlier than other people.
If anyone uses instinct (a hunch, a guess, a Ouija board) to smell a rat and then broadcasts that the rat exists is simply setting themselves up to look foolish when he can't produce the rat!
I don't believe a campaign to defame andreww i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Smay1 at August 15, 2003, 2:03 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrracetrack:
Smay1,
I think you would have to admit, a large percentage of Andreww's posts are a bit "odd" in comparison with most here.
He does seem rather naive about some areas of online gaming, so posters who "question" him about things he posts, are inclined to be a bit annoyed when Andreww "argues" issues and statements that basically are pretty much "off the wall".
As a "newbie", Andreww has created a lot of controversy with his iews. Many "established" members of this board have seen this type of "newbie" come storming in here, with all kinds of outrageous statements, too many times in the past.
That is basically why Andreww has received the "harsh" treatment he has been the recipient of.
Just my 2 cents worth....
You must admit andreww is getting far too much flack for giving his iews in the many subjects that are arising in... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Smay1 at August 15, 2003, 1:42 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
smay, first off you come across real intelligent posting with a bunch of swear words. good stuff.
second, i'd like to see WinnerOnline's forums continue to be a good place to get VALID information about casinos, not the drivel that andreww repeatedly posts. Look at how many of his threads are thrown over to The Right Answer. They're all rants with no evidence and little reason. Useless posts like his increase the noise to signal ratio on this board, making it harder for readers and posters to get the FACTS. So far, your posts aren't helping any, either.
I would love to see you come out of the wood work and give me an answer to why you keep giving andreww hassles about his opinion, does his opinion not count and the real reason is that you love to hear your own oice and not listen to anyone else
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| Posted by: andreww at August 15, 2003, 1:22 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
I realise that I come to my conclusions earlier than some people. I have a good nose and I can smell a rat earlier than other people. Some posters can't handle that. But instead of sticking to the subject they resort to ridiculing and personal insults. The question how much of a newbie I am and how much of a regular they are doesn't change anything about the alidity of my line of arguments and doesn't give them any right to behave in such an appalling fashion.
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at August 14, 2003, 11:57 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Smay1,
I think you would have to admit, a large percentage of Andreww's posts are a bit "odd" in comparison with most here.
He does seem rather naive about some areas of online gaming, so posters who "question" him about things he posts, are inclined to be a bit annoyed when Andreww "argues" issues and statements that basically are pretty much "off the wall".
As a "newbie", Andreww has created a lot of controversy with his iews. Many "established" members of this board have seen this type of "newbie" come storming in here, with all kinds of outrageous statements, too many times in the past.
That is basically why Andreww has received the "harsh" treatment he has been the recipient of.
Just my 2 cents worth....
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 14, 2003, 9:14 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
smay, first off you come across real intelligent posting with a bunch of swear words. good stuff.
second, i'd like to see WinnerOnline's forums continue to be a good place to get VALID information about casinos, not the drivel that andreww repeatedly posts. Look at how many of his threads are thrown over to The Right Answer. They're all rants with no evidence and little reason. Useless posts like his increase the noise to signal ratio on this board, making it harder for readers and posters to get the FACTS. So far, your posts aren't helping any, either.
I was thinking gamblinboi why do you think it necessary to trample on what andreww has to say, don't you think that what he has to say count.
Or is it the fact that you like to listen to your own oice and not listen to what anyone else has to say.
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 14, 2003, 6:59 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Potts Corner:
Smay1
Very few posters will know or care who John "Sammy" Newman is, let alone understand the context of the "you idiot" comment.
'Anyhow', best of luck with the on-line Casino punt.
Thanks for the luck that you gave me Potts I need a little bit, and I think that what you just gave would be just enough thanks again Potts and the best of luck to you also cheers smay1
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 14, 2003, 5:51 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Smay1:
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrracetrack:
Smay1,
Interesting first posts from a new member of this board...
Did you sign up here just to let Zrapture & Gamblinboi know what your thoughts about them were?
Wassup with THAT??
Yes I am a new member of the board, I have not come here just to hastle them. I think that there are some interesting topics that come up ahout all the casinos online and I love to hear what people have to say about them, and know who I should avoid and where I should play... I mentioned something a couple of times because they are not sticking to the topics just anoying some of the members that was all..I have better things to do than hastle them.
I have been silent and looking at what these two people have posted over the months and thing that has been posted onto this board nothing that posted onto this board by them has been ery interesting.
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 14, 2003, 5:34 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gamblinboi:
smay, first off you come across real intelligent posting with a bunch of swear words. good stuff.
second, i'd like to see WinnerOnline's forums continue to be a good place to get VALID information about casinos, not the drivel that andreww repeatedly posts. Look at how many of his threads are thrown over to The Right Answer. They're all rants with no evidence and little reason. Useless posts like his increase the noise to signal ratio on this board, making it harder for readers and posters to get the FACTS. So far, your posts aren't helping any, either.
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My posts are not giving another member hastles about his mother, nor about him as a person, nor am I doing this about yours or the way you are. Since when does andreww's mother have to do with anything in the forum? I dont think that your cheap thrils of doing this to another member is no better than my swearing in the forum.
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 14, 2003, 6:22 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
I thought jpsartres posting was referring to the logs I sent to you. What I didn't know until jpsartre clarified it was that you had sent him your own logs. I apologise for this misunderstanding and am ery sorry about it.
Thank you ery much Andrew. I'm ery happy to hear it was a misunderstanding after all and we can both get back to "agreeing to disagree"!
Anyway I'm glad you now believe I have not sent your logs to anyone because I haven't. Nor will I. I guess I was upset that you could think I would actually do that.
I feel much much better now knowing that you are OK with this now.
Although I still think, should you ever see your way to publishing those 36 hands, that they would be a focal point for a legitimate discussion of certain aspects of the game.
Thanks again.
PS Just FYI I didn't send my personal logs either. I don't even have actual logs from the casino - just my W/L's and those files are ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: andreww at August 13, 2003, 11:40 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
I assure you andreww I did no such thing. I believe he was referring to an 18000-20000 hand sample I posted somehere recently on my results at Microgaming casinos. .... The more I think about you insulting me by questioning my integrity in this way, the madder I get.
I sincerely hope you can see your way to making a public apology for such groundless accusations.
I thought jpsartres posting was referring to the logs I sent to you. What I didn't know until jpsartre clarified it was that you had sent him your own logs. I apologise for this misunderstanding and am ery sorry about it. Contrary to some people, I don't personally attack other posters merely for the contents of their posts. It's only when they repeatedly attack me personally when I pay back in the same currency.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at August 13, 2003, 5:46 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
smay, first off you come across real intelligent posting with a bunch of swear words. good stuff.
second, i'd like to see WinnerOnline's forums continue to be a good place to get VALID information about casinos, not the drivel that andreww repeatedly posts. Look at how many of his threads are thrown over to The Right Answer. They're all rants with no evidence and little reason. Useless posts like his increase the noise to signal ratio on this board, making it harder for readers and posters to get the FACTS. So far, your posts aren't helping any, either.
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 13, 2003, 5:30 pm | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrracetrack:
Smay1,
Interesting first posts from a new member of this board...
Did you sign up here just to let Zrapture & Gamblinboi know what your thoughts about them were?
Wassup with THAT??
I have been silent and looking at what these two people have posted over the months and thing that has been posted onto this board nothing that posted onto this board by them has been ery interesting.
There is no meaning nor substance in their conversations other than them giving mr Andreww sh**. I think that if they have something to say they should make some use in adding something that is on the topic itself and not of which is giving sh** to another member.
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| Posted by: Potts Corner at August 13, 2003, 4:26 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Smay1
Very few posters will know or care who John "Sammy" Newman is, let alone understand the context of the "you idiot" comment.
'Anyhow', best of luck with the on-line Casino punt.
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at August 13, 2003, 4:15 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Smay1,
Interesting first posts from a new member of this board...
Did you sign up here just to let Zrapture & Gamblinboi know what your thoughts about them were?
Wassup with THAT??
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 13, 2003, 3:31 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
holy crackpot. this guy thinks just cuz he has a double degree he knows stuff about stats. tell us, andreww, in all those years of university study how many math courses did you take? how many stats/prob courses did you take?
Your posts are getting beyond ridiculous, now you're screaming rigged even when you win. How about you do us all a favor and STOP playing online??
So are yours, when you start to give **** to others.
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 13, 2003, 3:09 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by zrapture:
Another one for the woodpile Max!
Andreww has been fairly silent all week. Obviously has has some kind of quota for idiotic posts each week which would explain todays explotion of useless idiotic observations.
Andreww, please say you were joking about having an IT degree. Myself and a few others here also have IT degrees and I wouldn't want others to think any retard can make it in Information Technology.
You are an idiot zrapture. What does someone's profession have to do with the fact that all the casinos are cheats? They are all run by the Mafia.
And if you think for one minute that they are all good and perfect well you are a ery gullible man/woman, casinos are out there to make money and take money from idiots like you.
They are a business and that is how they run. As Sam Newman would say " you are a bloody Idiot"
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| Posted by: andreww at August 11, 2003, 4:53 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by zrapture:
Another one for the woodpile Max!
Andreww has been fairly silent all week. Obviously has has some kind of quota for idiotic posts each week which would explain todays explotion of useless idiotic observations.
Andreww, please say you were joking about having an IT degree. Myself and a few others here also have IT degrees and I wouldn't want others to think any retard can make it in Information Technology.
Zrapture, you don't need to proof again and again what kind of a malicious little ankle-biter you are. See you doctor, and get him to put you on alium.
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| Posted by: zrapture at August 8, 2003, 9:42 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Another one for the woodpile Max!
Andreww has been fairly silent all week. Obviously has has some kind of quota for idiotic posts each week which would explain todays explotion of useless idiotic observations.
Andreww, please say you were joking about having an IT degree. Myself and a few others here also have IT degrees and I wouldn't want others to think any retard can make it in Information Technology.
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| Posted by: gamblinboi at August 8, 2003, 5:30 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
holy crackpot. this guy thinks just cuz he has a double degree he knows stuff about stats. tell us, andreww, in all those years of university study how many math courses did you take? how many stats/prob courses did you take?
Your posts are getting beyond ridiculous, now you're screaming rigged even when you win. How about you do us all a favor and STOP playing online??
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 8, 2003, 5:02 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
It does take at least 3 or 4 times longer than that if you take the kind of detailed notes that you guys are asking for to support my cheating claims.
Right, I understand - I was just talking about playing time.
Would love to see your detailed notes, assuming they include the actual cards dealt.
Should you wish to send them to me, or publish them here, by all means please do so.
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 8, 2003, 4:57 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
Interesting to start that Clayman has forwarded two of the three intercasino logs to you, breaking his promise not to publish my confidential email.
I assure you andreww I did no such thing. I believe he was referring to an 18000-20000 hand sample I posted somehere recently on my results at Microgaming casinos.
Edited to add:
The more I think about you insulting me by questioning my integrity in this way, the madder I get.
I sincerely hope you can see your way to making a public apology for such groundless accusations.
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| Posted by: jpsartre at August 8, 2003, 4:56 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Where the heck do I say anything about your logs from Intercasino????? You really ARE paranoid. I was refering to Clayman's OWN results which I believe was several hundred thousand hands and which showed no sign of rigging. I have yet to see some comments from you about this.
And I'm not going into a long discussion with you about this but the f... off remark was in no way justified.
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| Posted by: andreww at August 8, 2003, 4:42 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Clayman:
It couldn't possibly take more than 2 hours of playing time to play off $1160 with $2 bets. Horrors - a boring job that pays $60/hour after-tax.
It does take at least 3 or 4 times longer than that if you take the kind of detailed notes that you guys are asking for to support my cheating claims.
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 8, 2003, 4:37 am | | Topic: Desert Dollar Choreography Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by andreww:
Well, I shouldn't be down by 15 units after only 50 hands, should I?
Better get used to it - it'll happen once every 25 times or so.
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