| Posted by: planetbetter at August 24, 2003, 9:28 pm | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
I do not know about these guys these days.............
I know at least five people who had been consistently winning, (thousands) and suddenly (on the same exact night) they all had horrible losing streaks (over a thousand hands each played) and could not even-out whatsoever.
Until they become stable again, be careful.
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| Posted by: planetbetter at August 18, 2003, 7:54 pm | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
I agree with the original post of this thread.
There is no way that the outcomes that I have come across at omni casino, and its sister sites, are truly random.
The customer support for these casinos have been nothing but pleasant, and courteous, and prompt.
They may not even be aware of how "streaky" the software is, especially with Blackjack.
(even if they do, they are still nice)
I have had horrible, nasty negative streaks, where I say out loud "no way."
When I find myself saying that five times in
25 hands, and I just lost 18 of those hands, I know something is fishy.
This is usually followed up by a winning streak, but I am so shell-shocked at this poing that my betting is more timid, and I have hardly any left to bet.
This kind of behavior happens practically every session.
I have come to expect it and I 'wait' for it.
SO, the original post in this thread has just put into words what I have been thinking rece... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jetset at August 18, 2003, 12:00 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Yeah, Dirk - I agree with you that one would have to be superhuman not to get depressed and disillusioned at times as a result of reading a constant diet of slow/no pay and unfair disqualifications etc etc, but there are good enues and I suspect that for every complaint there are a bunch of normal business transactions that go through unrecognised.
I'm just proposing that although the industry has more charlatans than it deserves, it's not all bad.
Players need to check enues out and be careful. So many of the baddies are hanging by a thread in a business sense, so if they don't get the business they'll wither away to everyone's benefit.
And as we have seen in a number of incidents, the fraudulent are not all on one side of the divide, either....
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at August 17, 2003, 2:26 pm | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
When everything was going well in your gambling you were a regular poster who didn't cry rigged
Yes Z, you and Jetset are right. I've become a bit jaded (an understatement, I know
Actually, I'm doing well this year (way above EV), as I have in years past; however, I guess I've grown ery weary of all the nonsense surrounding online casinos and sportsbooks.
Three years ago, I envisioned the industry maturing and becoming better. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case, so I guess, I’ve become ery disillusioned with the biz. It also pains me to see only a handful of industry insiders and operators working to improve the industry (Jetset, CM, Spear, etc.). There is strength in numbers, yet most insiders really don’t care or give a damn about fairness). The good guys fight an uphill battle, and I don’t know how they continue.
Anyway, I will try ery hard to refrain from enting and propagating the negative aspects of the industry.
Dirk
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| Posted by: zrapture at August 17, 2003, 5:36 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Smay1:
Quote: Originally Posted by zrapture:
Dirk, you are quite funny. When everything was going well in your gambling you were a regular poster who didn't cry rigged. Then all of sudden something happened and now everything is rigged because no third party, yada, yada ,yada. Not sure if you lost a bunch in a weeks time or what happened but do you really think all casinos went bad at the same time? If not then why didn't you complain in the same matter the first year or so you posted?
Zrapture I think that you have some alid points in what you are saying in some of your posts, but would like to ask "why do you think it necessary to attack other members of this Board?" They are only telling other members of the Board the problems they have come across when they played at the casinos in mention.
I didn't think it was much of an attack against Dirk at all. Was just my natural response to Dirk referring to others "rubes and pike... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jbr at August 17, 2003, 3:35 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Interesting thread. Taken from another forum, this from someone who alleges to have worked in the programming of Cryptologic:
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I am not allowed to discuss any info about Cryptologic, or give away any secrets, but to suffice to say that no one person knows how the system works, its a multitude of modules linked together. The odds of calcualting all seeded compounded modules is impossible. Each one is taken from Real random events. Sounds impossible, but this is why this company is a world leader in this software.
Most of the programs operated by the Online Casinos are flexible, like slots, payout percentages can be altered.
JB is uncanny in is accurate percentage of around 20%, this is what is actually against you, although the casinos can lower this to a figure of around 2.8%, if they wish.
Roamer, you are spot on too. It would appear ery biased towards the casinos edge ,if it is set at 20%.
Sorry I cannot give you more info Kil... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jetset at August 17, 2003, 12:42 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
I read all of Dirk's posts with respect, as I have done for some time here but I have to agree with Zrapture that he has of late seemed to be extraordinarily embittered and unhappy.
There are too many bad experiences in internet gambling for comfort, I grant you but it is not all doom, gloom and dishonesty and I find myelf disappointed that someone of Dirk's eloquence and experience has of late seemingly become fixated on the dark side of the business.
Whilst every experience deserves to be heard, I believe we should sometimes pause and reflect that there is also a ery positive side to the industry and its many sound enues.
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| Posted by: Smay1 at August 16, 2003, 8:05 pm | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by zrapture:
Dirk, you are quite funny. When everything was going well in your gambling you were a regular poster who didn't cry rigged. Then all of sudden something happened and now everything is rigged because no third party, yada, yada ,yada. Not sure if you lost a bunch in a weeks time or what happened but do you really think all casinos went bad at the same time? If not then why didn't you complain in the same matter the first year or so you posted?
Zrapture I think that you have some alid points in what you are saying in some of your posts, but would like to ask "why do you think it necessary to attack other members of this Board?" They are only telling other members of the Board the problems they have come across when they played at the casinos in mention.
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| Posted by: zrapture at August 16, 2003, 10:15 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dirk_Dangerous:
C'mon, Cryptologic says they don't cheat, so everyone believes them? Where is the independent and third-party auditing of their games? And I’m not talking about payback %; I’m talking about auditing for randomness and fairness. There is none.
Give me a break. These places will cheat because they can—no one is watching, and they can and will cheat at will.
Some of you are the biggest rubes and pikers I’ve ever come across. Get a clue folks.
Dirk, you are quite funny. When everything was going well in your gambling you were a regular poster who didn't cry rigged. Then all of sudden something happened and now everything is rigged because no third party, yada, yada ,yada. Not sure if you lost a bunch in a weeks time or what happened but do you really think all casinos went bad at the same time? If not then why didn't you complain in the same matter the first year or so you posted?
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| Posted by: andreww at August 14, 2003, 9:06 pm | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by bobmann:
Additionally, as you can see by the comments of "Trader 1.1" and the Payout percentages that are reviewed by PricewaterhouseCoopers, that people do in fact win playing a Peak Entertainment casinos.
The only trouble with those payout figures is that the bulk of the 96% of the money lost by real players is won by fake players who are associates of those casinos.
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| Posted by: Dirk_Dangerous at August 14, 2003, 7:04 pm | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
C'mon, Cryptologic says they don't cheat, so everyone believes them? Where is the independent and third-party auditing of their games? And I’m not talking about payback %; I’m talking about auditing for randomness and fairness. There is none.
Give me a break. These places will cheat because they can—no one is watching, and they can and will cheat at will.
Some of you are the biggest rubes and pikers I’ve ever come across. Get a clue folks.
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| Posted by: bobmann at August 14, 2003, 10:26 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
To All,
I normally don't reply to any of this banter or hearsay, because it is just that, unfounded accusations from a player who is trying to smear the good name of Peak Entertainment and it's casinos that have been in business since 1997.
Anyway, Mr. or Mrs. "it's_how_to_...", I would love to see the alleged 1-26 that you claim as a new player,
"(Am i to expect the first time i join a site i am dealt a 1-26 negative run that i just happened to be the one and only this year that this happened to?)"
because I too would find that impossible to believe.
Additionally, as you can see by the comments of "Trader 1.1" and the Payout percentages that are reviewed by PricewaterhouseCoopers, that people do in fact win playing a Peak Entertainment casinos.
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| Posted by: Trader v1.1 at August 14, 2003, 9:04 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
So that's where they stole the money to pay me!
I have played both Omni and Sands for over three years and I am ahead at both of them even without the bonuses. The amount is only a little and sometimes involved playing the $300 table limit, so high ariance should be expected. With the recently raised table limits some of my hands at Omni were even more than $300.
"I lost" is not equal to "they cheat". If you have actual proof, share it with us. I strongly suspect that after adjusting for player error the results will fall well within normal limits.
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| Posted by: Clayman at August 14, 2003, 9:01 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by jateeluv:
The real numbers that should be looked at is win % loss % and Tie % and i'll add compared to bet size...
To help bolster your argument results of 5839 hands at Intercasino by bet amount follow. I'll leave it to you to derive what you can from it. Keep in mind they are not in units (that is I don't bother keeping track of doubled hands by bet amounts - can you believe it? )
Clearly the results of the 144 hands at >=$25 are not real good and the results of 433 hands at >=$10 aren't much better.
amtbet BJ's WINS totwin loss ties tothands
$2.00 139 1,172 1,311 1,422 257 2,990
$3.00 18 185 203 250 44 497
$4.00 53 415 468 546 122 1,136
$5.00 28 181 209 246 51 506
$6.00 8 75 83 76 15 174
$8.00 8 42 50 51 2 103
$10.00 10 97 107 139 22 268
$14.00 0 0 0 1 0 1
$15.00 0 9 9 9 1 19
$20.00 0 0 0 1 0 1
$25.00 2 29 31 55 4 90
$30.00 0 0 0 1 1 2
$45.00 0 0 0 1 0 1
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| Posted by: jateeluv at August 14, 2003, 8:38 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
I agree totally that payout % is just some nonsense to alleviate the fear of depositing. The real numbers that should be looked at is win % loss % and Tie % and i'll add compared to bet size...
1-$10
11-20
20-30
30-40 and so on chart it against win% and see the negative slope. Do some Standard deviations and calculate errors.
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| Posted by: KX at August 14, 2003, 2:51 am | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
This is by far the most interesting post I have read regarding Cryptologic's potential cheating.
After playing Crypto software regularly for about 3 years I tend to agree with the poster. I do believe modifications to my playing has made me win much more than I would have if I flat betted.
A long time ago I wrote (with no statistical evidence) that I was sure Real Time Gaming pulls this stunt. I wrote that I was sure that there was a possitive correlation between the outcome of hand X and hand X+1 etc, ie "streakiness". Lots of posters agrees about RTG software being "streaky", ie correlation between hands and that the software is therefore unfair. Noone has taken the time to examine data though (as far as I know).
I have adapted my playing behaviour in RTG casinos due to my belief, and when I read this post I realised that I have done the same with Cryptologic software!
What I do, is that when I've had a long streak of wins I decrease my betsize. ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: basic at August 13, 2003, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Uhhhh...I like Intercasino, never won a dime at Omni Casino, nor William Hill....I think that Omni is a little "tighter" than intercasino, if that makes any sense. I do notice that the dealer at Intercasino gets really HOT when I chase my losses...The dealer hit 4 21's when I chased my losses once.
But I think its all, gamblers fallacy. At Atlantic City, when I start betting big to chase losses, the same thing happens to me. The dealer gets hot, and I cant buy a win..
So I will not go against what your saying about OMNI, because they get the software from Crypto, and they can alter the RNG to whatever their needs are...
But Intercasino seems to be the only "TRUE" random odds casino that uses Crypto. And Cryptologic owns Intercasino.
Im not good with the codes and numbers your throwing around, but I know where your trying to go with this.
Like I said before, Numerous attempts to win at OMNI, and all the other PEAK CASINOS, eg 49er and San... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: its_how_to_expose_them at August 13, 2003, 4:19 pm | | Topic: Peak Entertainment CHEATING, also inter and others beware Forum: Winner Online |
Beware of Peak Entertainment reccently. Apparently their past few months actions ,especially those related to their promotions, as well as the statistics in arious games indicate they are in financial trouble and are going under fast.
There is no other explanation to the fact that they have suddenly decided to iolate mathematical logic in the most audacious of ways. I am one of 10 local friends that have had during past 2 months identical experiences playing blackjack in their sites such as CARSANDS and OMNI CASINO.
Normal cryptologic software is by design and in clear iolation of the premise of the game (to the point that it can be proven beyond statistical doubt of say 1 in a trillion if needed in court) extraordinarily streaky. What this means is that while losing 10 or 15 times in a row is to be expected over thousands of hands (~1000 or ~30000 respectively) in reality it will happen a lot more frequent than that for both the casino and the player . That way the statistical averag... | | Read Entire Entry |
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