| Posted by: magnek at August 29, 2003, 7:43 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
OK...truce. There are real players here who have been locked out and winnings refused. I would never play at a site that has done that to anyone, including bonus players. There are no real systems allowing any player to win all the time. You cannot beat the house at a negative expectation game. Throw in either a nice bonus or some great luck and maybe you can get ahead.
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| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 29, 2003, 5:05 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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Much more believable than a story about a player who consistently wins every single day.
I appreciate that you post a "real" opinion, but I won't accept that you insult me by implying that I am lying. First, look here :
http://www.winneronline.com/ubb/For...TML/000100.html
I am not the only one to say it, and I am not the kind of people to create multiple users just to create a discussion between myself & myself in a topic created by myself...
Second, due to my position in this industry I can't provide a screen capture and post it here to prove what I am saying, but I will be ery happy to send it to your email as you can attest what I am saying.
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Locking a player out and stealing winnings is rouge, no matter how you slice it.
I am completely OK with you.
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| Posted by: magnek at August 28, 2003, 12:28 pm | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
I am sorry to ruffle your feathers Maxfalcon, but your post is full of inacuracies regarding lockouts. Have you, as a player, ever been locked out? It seems many people here have and their stories are believable. Much more believable than a story about a player who consistently wins every single day. Your post sounds like a Playtec press report.
I have worked in this industry since its inception. I am strictly an advantaged player (aka...pondscum) and I am well informed. Locking a player out and stealing winnings is rouge, no matter how you slice it. If a casino does not want a player's business then that has to be established before he deposits and plays.
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| Posted by: Greek Viking at August 27, 2003, 10:26 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
My case is in good hands. A reputable mediator is already involved (Casinomeister).
Please, let’s use this thread to document the obvious comprehensive practice regarding confiscating winnings and/or locking of accounts if you play to win. Is the phenomenon specific for Del Rio or is it general for Playtech casinos?
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| Posted by: hhcfreebie at August 27, 2003, 8:43 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
Greek Viking:
I was labelled as well. Luckily they refuse to give me bonuses up front, before I made any wager so I didn't loose a penny. Now I just have to wait for my deposit to come back.
Which website did you click through when you opened an account with this group? If you click through wizardofodds, contact him and see if he can straight things out. There is no reason whatsoever to deny your bonus or winning after you have recieved and wagered.
Don't give up, this is a ery serious "bait and switch" behavior from casinos. Make them pay you!
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| Posted by: sdaddy at August 27, 2003, 8:41 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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But it’s characteristic that Del Rio uses arguments about “abusive bonus activity” retrospective. In my case Del Rio let me open an account, deposit and wager, but when I tried to cash in after I had fulfilled the wager requirement, the casino returned the deposit and confiscated my bonus and winnings with the argument "while processing your withdrawal, it has been found that you have participated in gaming practices in the gaming industry that the casino has deemed abusive and as a result has rejected your withdrawal, returned your initial deposit, and closed your account".
The fact is that Del Rio is a typical rogue casino.[/B]
Exactly the same thing happened to me too. I think it's clear that Del Rio is the last Playtech anyone should choose.
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| Posted by: Greek Viking at August 27, 2003, 7:18 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
Whether maxfalcon believe it or not: Del Rio and Tropez are NOT (at least not anymore) a serious and reputable group.
If the casino’s automated system detects a so-called “history of abusive bonus activity” at Del Rio or another casino, Del Rio will lock your account. Of course the casino has the right to deny letting a player open an account or deny offering a player further bonus after they have paid the player.
But it’s characteristic that Del Rio uses arguments about “abusive bonus activity” retrospective. In my case Del Rio let me open an account, deposit and wager, but when I tried to cash in after I had fulfilled the wager requirement, the casino returned the deposit and confiscated my bonus and winnings with the argument "while processing your withdrawal, it has been found that you have participated in gaming practices in the gaming industry that the casino has deemed abusive and as a result has rejected your withdrawal, returned your initial deposit, and closed your acc... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 27, 2003, 6:39 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
I am OK to understand that what I post is not the "Voice of Truth", but here you clearly attack me. I am tired of your clear attacks and I will be more caustic now.
So first, learn to count, because there is 6 casinos (listed and reviewed) on my homepage.
So. There are THREE Microgamings, TWO Playtechs, and the well known Casino On Net listed on the homepage. Your stupid theory is wrong. Until you prove me the contrary, 3 is superior to 2. If I was having a page with only Playtechs, I would have understood your opinion. If I follow you, I must defend Microgaming and not Playtech...
I have already stated that I have nothing to win by defending PlayTech. If you want to continue these stupid things by posting that kind of stupid & unconstructive posts, continue to do it. But it will be without me.
Bye.
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| Posted by: caruso at August 27, 2003, 6:06 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
LMAO, OK now I get it. I just clicked through to your site: of the five casinos with pride of place on your "best casino" list on your homepage, two are Playtechs.
Of course you wouldn't be shilling for Playtech. What ever was I thinking?
Funny stuff.
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| Posted by: caruso at August 27, 2003, 6:01 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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You can't say this unless you have erified it yourself and conducted yourself (or participated in) a ast, deep, serious and ery long analysis of their software...
All I need is to entirely trust the person who did the above-cited analysis, which I do. He has no ulterior motives, the analysis was genuine.
This is becoming a recurrent thread amongst Playtech pimps - "yes, but how do you KNOW the analysis is genuine?". If that's the last line of defence, all can say is: thanks for the confirmation.
Stay away from Playtech.
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| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 27, 2003, 5:55 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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I AM saying that Playtech DO cheat.
You can't say this unless you have erified it yourself and conducted yourself (or participated in) a ast, deep, serious and ery long analysis of their software... Remember, we are in the same boat. If PlayTech do cheat with its players, it will cheat A LOT MORE with webmasters... We are not *essential*. Only players are *essential*.
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Just don't expect too many "supporters" of your iews, as webmasters are not looked upon as the "Voice of Truth" in this forum.
I can understand that... There are so many casino portals and webmasters here that it's hard to make the difference between a serious webmaster and an another less scrupulous...
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But I like to read your posts anyway.
Thanks... Hope you will like this one...
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at August 27, 2003, 4:20 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
MaxFalcon,
Of course you can post here. You can say anything you want. (within reason)
Just don't expect too many "supporters" of your iews, as webmasters are not looked upon as the "Voice of Truth" in this forum.
As you stated...
"Not all you read on Internet is true and proven. There is a lot of false information on the Internet. The perception of the reality is different from a person to an another...."
But I like to read your posts anyway.
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| Posted by: caruso at August 27, 2003, 4:16 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
I'm not suggesting Microgaming don't cheat. We'll know soon enough one way or another - in about six days, I believe. No doubt, anything Playtech can do, Microgaming can do a whole load better.
I AM saying that Playtech DO cheat.
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| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 27, 2003, 3:31 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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a webmaster shilling for Playtech
Not only webmaster - player too... I am not shilling for Playtech. I like a lot MGS casinos too, and I promote them. I am just stating my opinion...
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Playtech has been proven rigged.
I remember this study. But do you seriously think that if a well renowned software like Playtech is able to cheat and earn more with these tactics, that Microgaming does not do the same ?
The fact is, that we come again in the same war between players and online casinos, with the affiliates between all this s**t.
I remember a heavy campaign against Cryptologic Casinos launched by individuals. They were stating horrible and false stories like CryptoLogic involved in a lot of crimes and the mafia. .... Not all you read on Internet is true and proven. There is a lot of false information on the Internet. The perception of the reality is different from a person to an another.
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| Posted by: caruso at August 27, 2003, 2:50 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
LOL, a webmaster shilling for Playtech.
Now there's a first.
All the above comments about swift lockout after one or two wins at Playtech sh*tholes are correct. I think I won a grand total of $100 or so before I got the boot.
They're doing you a favour - Playtech has been proven rigged. I put a question regarding that matter to a Swiss Casino rep who recently showed up here. He "sent my question to Playtech" and would "get back to me" when the answer came.
Funnily enough, I've not heard from him since. What a surprise.
Stay away from all Playtech casinos. They're proven cheats.
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| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 27, 2003, 2:02 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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maxfalcon,
you are mislead, and tiring
Magnek, wow, I have to congratulate you, what a positive, interesting and full of aluable information post.
I think it's you who is "misleading" here... I am trying to explain that online casinos don't "lock" new players accounts with no reason. Sure, they share blacklists... But you will not be locked because you have won at an other or several online casinos ! I work in this industry so I know how it works... A big winner is ery aluable ! BUT this all depends on how the money has been won, and I have already explained that. I am not implying that Ohdreampop is a bonus abuser. I just post what I know here from this industry to clarify some things. It can be an error from Del Rio...
I try to provide some information here, I think you are trying to put nothing but something negative here. Please do not "insult" me in public. You come in this post, post nothing, no information and th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 25, 2003, 10:51 pm | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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Like i said playtech sofware locks accounts the second they are made automatically if you have won from 3-4 other playtech casinos. This has nothing to do with casino del rio or tropez.
Are you sure of that ? Players that have won are also interesting for online casinos, since often some players gamble a part of their earnings, so they have more cash to deposit... It's money from a Playtech that go to an other Playtech competitor...
This all depends on how the money has been won : if the players show that they are ery experienced at "skill" games and were winning ery often small money, making at final a lot of money, I can agree with you on this. But at final, this is always the house that wins... However I know a gambler who is able to win $1,000-$1,500 each month at a casino, by winning each day small amounts of money. Don't know how he do that!
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| Posted by: kavaman at August 25, 2003, 7:11 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
Like i said playtech sofware locks accounts the second they are made automatically if you have won from 3-4 other playtech casinos. This has nothing to do with casino del rio or tropez.
-kavaman
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| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 25, 2003, 5:20 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
Hi Mrracetrack,
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because you have won $50 at their casino sister site ?
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Generally, online casinos don't like players that comes on several casinos just to play with only the bonuses
You are associating these two things but this is not the same argument...
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So MaxFalcon, you are implying that these poor, bonus ravaged casinos are in a position that they might miss a few meals due to players that only play with a bonus??
Maybe we can take up a collection for these overworked, abused casino owners.
The big bad bonus hunters are depriving these poor owners from "money they need to live"...
Yes, we all have compassion for their sorry plight... NOT!!
It's YOU that imply that... not me! Where I have stated that they are poor ? They NEED money to live as any e-commerce or general commerce, and if players come only for the bonuses, they can close shop!... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mrracetrack at August 25, 2003, 12:37 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
Posted by MaxFalcon:
"Do you think that an online casino will seriously lock a NEW player account (new players are ery precious actually...) because you have won $50 at their casino sister site ? Let's be serious here... They really do NOT care of $50..."
Followed by....
"Generally, online casinos don't like players that comes on several casinos just to play with only the bonuses. That's normal since they need money to live..."
So MaxFalcon, you are implying that these poor, bonus ravaged casinos are in a position that they might miss a few meals due to players that only play with a bonus??
Maybe we can take up a collection for these overworked, abused casino owners.
The big bad bonus hunters are depriving these poor owners from "money they need to live"...
Yes, we all have compassion for their sorry plight... NOT!!
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| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 24, 2003, 11:09 pm | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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And maxfalcon, I always play more than the WR and have NEVER been labeled as a bonus hunter or locked out of a casino before. Well... actually Magic Oasis won't let me use coupons anymore because I "used too many", but they didn't lock me and I'm still allowed coupons at Windows, their sister site. But that's it.
Okay. I have said that because I know well Casino Tropez / Del Rio and its staff and I find strange for a casino to lock new accounts without a reason. Do they have provided to you a clear reason or not ? You may want to ask to them in a polite way.
Generally, online casinos don't like players that comes on several casinos just to play with only the bonuses. That's normal since they need money to live...
I never have got any problems with the players I send to quality Playtech casinos through my website. There are other good Playtechs, you can try to open an account at an other to see if it works.
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| Posted by: kavaman at August 24, 2003, 8:43 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
Playtech casinos will lock you if you have won from more then 2-3 playtech casinos. At that point they dont allow you to create accounts at any of the others.
So if you decide youd like to use their signup bonuses at all of them, id recommend creating accounts at all of them, before playing any, because that way you wont get locked out, as they dont lock out existing accounts, only you to create new ones.
-kavaman
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| Posted by: ohdreampop at August 24, 2003, 8:35 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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Do you deposit? Hope not~!
Luckily they locked me out BEFORE I got a chance to deposit. That's good, at least.
And maxfalcon, I always play more than the WR and have NEVER been labeled as a bonus hunter or locked out of a casino before. Well... actually Magic Oasis won't let me use coupons anymore because I "used too many", but they didn't lock me and I'm still allowed coupons at Windows, their sister site. But that's it. All I can think of is that I won a bit at Tropez. Apparently I'm not the only one.
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| Posted by: bewitch at August 24, 2003, 5:03 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
ohdreampop,
I remember there are some players are compliant about this. These 2 casino share information, I think. And they label quiet few players as bonus hunter on their own defintion.
I played at both about 3 months ago. I open both account without problem, but I didn't win/lose at Tropze and only win ery tiny amount at Del Rio.
Do you deposit? Hope not~!
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| Posted by: maxfalcon at August 24, 2003, 4:59 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
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I made a whopping $50
Do you think that an online casino will seriously lock a NEW player account (new players are ery precious actually...) because you have won $50 at their casino sister site ? Let's be serious here... They really do NOT care of $50...
Casino Tropez is a VERY reputable online casino and Del Rio will have the same treatment, I am sure. So, guys, there must be an another reason here...
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| Posted by: Woody00 at August 23, 2003, 7:55 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
Welcome to the club!
Several members here have that experience. We are not sure, however, exactly how many Playtech sites are involved in the sharing of player data. It clearly seems to occur between sister sites at least.
Oh, the "problem" is that you are a bonus hunter and/or you won.
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| Posted by: ohdreampop at August 23, 2003, 6:51 am | | Topic: Casino Del Rio - account locked Forum: Winner Online |
I opened a brand new account with Casino Del Rio, and it was immediately LOCKED by their system. WHen I called customer service, they had no explanation for me... saying that it could be for "various reasons", possibly for me having trouble with other online casinos. I have never been locked out before. The only thing I can think of is that I made a whopping $50 or so off their sister, Tropez. If that's the reason, then this group is to be avoided.
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