| Posted by: Gamerz at September 10, 2003, 2:41 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Speaking of jumping ships, I just got told ia email that Geisha Lounge has now moved to RTG software. Hmmmmm.
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| Posted by: islandmaan at April 3, 2002, 8:01 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset sorry for the delay in responding, still trying to keep caught up with these boards.
You are correct, Casino Regal is a Cryptologic sofware property and Squall is also correct.
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| Posted by: islandmaan at April 3, 2002, 7:54 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Jetset sorry for the delay in responding, still trying to keep caught up with these boards.
You are correct, Casino Regal is a Cryptologic sofware property and Squall is also correct.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at March 31, 2002, 3:46 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
That is interesting, especially when you consider how many casinos are available thru them.
So the cash cow for WG is in the sportsbetting, not the casino...right? And sportsbetting.com handles 2/3rds + of that action, so they had WG by the Go-Nads! WG said, "here, have our company".{in a way} Am I pretty much on target with that? LOL
The direction that would lead in would then indicate that "it stops" when ONE entity monopolizes the provider. Hence, the provider either, 1}Goes retail and opens provider controlled casinos. 2}Controls the franchisee's so that no single entity can gain the control and power, as in the WG example. 3}Helps a major entity to gain control.
In all senarios, the path appears to lead to ONE organization in control of ONE software product.
IE: If one entity becomes too strong and that's not what you want to happen...you figure out how to give them the left foot of fellowship!
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| Posted by: StartCasino at March 31, 2002, 9:51 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
CPA - There always is more to the store than we hear.
If I'm correct, Sunny Group is John Wallace's organization. I met the guy once.
As for what actually happeed, I can't say. I hear this all the time. Microgaming has their side, the casino has another. Its one of those situations where "who knows" what really happened.
But I do know that Successful licensees are heavily solicited by upstart software companies. They offer lower percentages of royalties and it usually is enticing to gain their interest.
As for companies jumping ship. Yes its bad, but it happens and it will happen more. Microgaming is working on much bigger fish right now than Sunny Group.
The point you make, "where does it stop?" is when it comes to your TOP business performers.
Sportsbook.com was solicited by every single sports betting supplier. Starnet gave Callahan a piece of SNMM's equity, just to keep on their top revenue producer (something like 65-75% of WGMG... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The_CPA at March 30, 2002, 3:45 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
I'm gonna have my own e-cash processor so I can Charge myself back!
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| Posted by: Mrracetrack at March 30, 2002, 3:41 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Originally posted by The_CPA:
"At this rate we'll all have our own private casino soon and we'll be the only one playing in it!"
A casino that only has one person
playing there..... hmmm, Do you think
Proccyber could handle that "one"
account without problems??
Probably NOT!!
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| Posted by: The_CPA at March 30, 2002, 11:11 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
I didn't lock myself out, but I couldn't come up with the fax back requirements I put on myself? I guess I'll drop the DNA check.
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| Posted by: Geordie at March 29, 2002, 4:40 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The_CPA:
At this rate we'll all have our own private casino soon and we'll be the only one playing in it!
I tried that but I had to lock my account for 'Bonus Abuse' reasons.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at March 29, 2002, 2:05 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
StartCasino,
I want to be careful about putting words in your mouth. I hate it when people do that to me.
If I read you right, then you believe that Sunny is jumping ship for cheaper franchise percentages?
Do you think there is an arrears problem creating this situation and MG pulled the plug?
Each says they are the one that terminated the agreement. Which story are you inclined to go with?
Is MG within their rights to lock down the logs in question as eek mentions. Shouldn't that be Sunny's? or Both?
Sorry to grill like that, but you seem to have the inside track! LOL
eek, Sunny actually owns their own E-Cash System.
In my mind, I don't recall any non payment allegations or rigging claims back and forth when English Harbor, King S. and that bunch all flew the coup.
As I remember, the agreements ran full term, MG probably got paid, the casinos didn't re-up and they all went on their Merry Way. Maybe they flipped each other... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: eek at March 29, 2002, 1:04 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
The press release mentions a captive client base with limited access by sunnygroup management at MIT.
15-20% fees may be acceptable but do new sign ups know that MG can hijack your entire clientbase in the event of a problem?
All those marketing dollars and all that work developing your casino, and then you have to start again.
I wonder what MG will do with the data they have. Keep it, or copy it and give a copy to Sunny.
In fact. Who exactly does the clientbase data actually belong to when you sign an MG contract? Does anyone know.
Then there is the ecash system, dont MG control that as a subsidiary, like crypto, which gives them first cut at the drop from any licensee and makes non payment impossible.
eek
CPA (below) sez they have their own ecash.
This could be used for a clientbase.
BUT, I am a member who has never got around to playing with cash at a sunny casino.
Yet I got my first promotional email this AM for the new (playtech)... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: StartCasino at March 29, 2002, 12:45 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Have any of you ever been to Microgaming's Headquarters?
Got2Bet, I know you have.
They are insanely busy. They are getting new clients at a rapid pace. They are the fastest growing company within the i-gaming software sector. No other company that I know right now on the StartCasino.com site is growing as fast as they are.
As for losing SunnyGroup, ENglish Harbor and 2 others....guess what? It happens in the software end of the industry,
The way it works is as follows:
You sign up for a software license. You build your casino and pay your 15-25% royalty to the software company. Over time you get big in dollar olume. Some small start-up software company (like Odds On or Playtech) approaches you and offer 2-3% royalty. Its definitely of interest, considering we're talking saving in the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS (sometimes each month).
The Big Software company doesn't bent in price, so you do a leap of faith and jump ship, hoping the switchover is seemless ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jetset at March 28, 2002, 11:05 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Brian, appreciate your help in checking the accuracy of one of my casino entries. I have Casino Regal.com down as using Crypto software. Is that still the case? And is it still owned by Squall Investments?
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| Posted by: islandmaan at March 28, 2002, 12:28 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
I am a new member to this board and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Brian and I manage the sites CasinoGames.com, BlackJackPlayer.com, CasinoRegal.com and others.
I have respect for the opinions of this board and wanted to make myself available to the members should they have any questions or opinions regarding these properties.
I am concerned about these recent events regarding Sunny and MG and hope the truth comes out soon. This does not reflect well on our industry.
Thanks,
Brian
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at March 28, 2002, 7:36 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
With all due respect, Shelly, not only did Lover NOT field questions, she clearly posed as a player. This is not the first time a Sunny staffer has been caught doing this - and frankly, that is appalling from such an otherwise respected group.
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| Posted by: crystal at March 28, 2002, 7:31 am | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
To all concerned,
I have not hidden my identity... Posters have legitimate questions which need to be answered. However, the Management team at Sunny has tried to stick to the facts instead of spreading rumors.
I actually did not look at LOVER's email address. Staff were instructed to field questions about the change over. Therefore, Nalini (Lover's) posts were well-intentioned but not according to directions.
During the Golden Palace fiasco, members and on-lookers were frustrated by the company's lack of response to questions. But we've managed to set up message threads on several message boards to deal specifically with member concerns.
We wish this change over to ba as effortless as possible for all involved.
Shelly Ann Blake
Miami Beach
Marketing Manager
Sunny Group of Companies
Tel: 1-888-349-3571
Fax: 1-868-624-1156
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| Posted by: The_CPA at March 27, 2002, 6:46 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
At this point, I'm not sure.
I know there were a few rumblings around 2 months ago that MG was going to open their own storefronts. This didn't exactly shoot them to the top of the popularity charts with their current operators. I sort of assummed that this was a contributing factor in English Harbor, Geisha, and King Solimons leaving.
There seems to be so much we really don't know, and/or understand about the arious relationships.
According to Sunny, they were in the dark on some stuff too. I don't understand it all that well yet. I'm waiting for Spear or one of the other folks that actually know some of the people behind the scenes to fill in the gaps for us.
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| Posted by: prosperity9035 at March 27, 2002, 5:09 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by The_CPA:
damiandunlap,
Casino Fortune, Miami Beach and Mapau
CPA, I think damiandunlap meant which casinos does Micro Gaming own.
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| Posted by: The Original Mary at March 27, 2002, 5:03 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
From Casinomeister's site:
MICROGAMING DEFECTORS
31 October 2001
Casinos play software musical chairs...
One of the Big Four online casino turnkey providers, Microgaming has been having a tough time with the flight from its books of several major casinos.
The English Harbour Group comprising English Harbour, Caribbean Gold and Silver Dollar casinos has changed to Odds On software which boasts a better fraud screening system and more operator control, and Geisha Lounge, King Solomans and Lucky Liner have decamped to an outfit called Cytech, in a deal we understand was brokered by Aquaonline.
The Cytech breakaways will use CFI e-cash, but the new Odds On clients are turning to ECX, which Odds On favours.
Cytech Limited, which is described by the casinos involved as "an independent software company" is an interesting phenomenon. It apparently has no website, and doesn't seem to generate any business information. The company has not appear... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The_CPA at March 27, 2002, 4:56 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Yea,Jydeman
This guy has been able to keep an incredibly low profile...until now. Anyway to find out what is in his fleet?
Also, on the server thing.
Wouldn't MG have full access to these servers at all times anyway?
Also, under these strained conditions, wouldn't the server{MG}need to immediately stop the flow of all activity thru casinos with their brand?
The release makes it all sound so devious, or it really just everyone trying to protect their $hit! LOL
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| Posted by: Jydeman at March 27, 2002, 3:56 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
CPA - you can always trust info posted by me.
Isn't this interesting?:
"Sunny Group is further shocked to find out that through letterbox companies, Microgaming and its principal Martin Moshal, is the largest Internet Casino operator in the world and for some time has been a direct competitor of Casino Fortune."
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at March 27, 2002, 3:23 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Not much to give up other than what you have already seen. I am still digging on both sides to see if I can get a better picture of what has happened.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at March 27, 2002, 3:12 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Sometimes news agencies like to take releases and spice them up. Just want to be sure this was from the source before I rely weigh every word it says.
Come on Spear, what have you got? We know you're loaded with MG connections on both sides of this fence! Give up the goods! LOL!
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| Posted by: Got2Bet at March 27, 2002, 3:03 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
ROFLMAO!
CPA - it came directly from Sunny.
At this stage it would probably be better if I refrain from further comment. But a catfight is in the works - now let's just see the truth come out.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at March 27, 2002, 2:59 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Who issued this. Is it direct from Sunnygroup or an independent news service?
It sounds like a reassimilating of yesterday's with a couple of new twists.
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| Posted by: Jydeman at March 27, 2002, 2:48 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Speaking of pressrelease:
MICROGAMING FIGHTS DIRTY TO SALVAGE ITS TARNISHED REPUTATION
An employee of Casino Fortune was physically prevented from securing Sunny Group servers by Mohawk Internet Technologies’ Security on Tuesday, 26th March 2002. This was done on the orders of Microgaming. Casino Fortune sent their Technical Support Manager to secure the company’s servers after it was suspected that Microgaming was interfering with the customer information contained inside.
MIT was duly notified of this isit. Sunny Group’s subsidiary has a contract with MIT, the terms of which allow Sunny Group employees to service company equipment. However, Sunny Group is now convinced that MIT is a biased jurisdiction that operates as an agent for Microgaming.
Roger Raatgavaer of Microgaming confirmed to a Sunny Group Director that Microgaming has an agreement with MIT that precedes any other. This is unknown to Sunny Group. Sunny Group is further shocked to find out that throug... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: croupier at March 27, 2002, 2:45 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
CPA is correct. Sunny and MGS can throw all the dirt they want in press releases - but if they come to a player board then we want honesty and facts.
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| Posted by: The_CPA at March 27, 2002, 2:39 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Crystal,
The nature and tone of your current posts are, IMO, a departure from the nature, tone and accusations leveled in the press release yesterday and after the Microgaming's response to it.
Please understand that no one here is pointing any fingers, we just want the truth. No politics or artful dodger responses. Either Sunnygroup or M.G.issued a worldwide press release that is false.
Due to extremely serious nature of the accusations leveled by SunnyGroup that MG was/is tampering with the software and that PWC was considering dropping Microgaming audit reviews, I think we all need to find out who's telling the right story.
Sunny says they terminated the agreement and MG says they terminated the agreement. A mutual split it was not! Can't be both.
Pretty simple, someone is lying!
If a mistake was made, somebody needs to print a retraction along with an explanation. It won't just go away at this point. I'd be real careful not to underestimate the gambli... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: The Original Mary at March 27, 2002, 1:47 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
New sport--casino message board mud wrestling.
I hadn't seen any sign of Microgaming agents posting disrespecting Sunny Group, but we got Sunny doing the tag-team shilling number.
Microgaming 1
Sunny 0
I'm ery disappointed, Sunny.
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| Posted by: prosperity9035 at March 27, 2002, 1:22 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Quote: Originally Posted by drichard1:
lover why is your email address nalinij@sunnygrp.com?
Lover do you care to comment?
Crystal comes on this board stating that there are posters here from other casinos posing as just regular players.
Lover you have done that yourself right here.
What is up???
Crystal what is your comment on this???
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| Posted by: ttt at March 27, 2002, 1:12 pm | | Topic: Get a Load of This! Forum: Winner Online |
Lover & Crystal - it doesn't help your case when you enter this forum and try to mislead us into thinking you are two strangers.
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